Why did God create a world with prey and predators?

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Why did God create predators and prey species, being that a waste of energy. Somehow this sounds like a sado-masochist work, putting the species under unecessary stress, having to struggle their whole life to survive.
 
It’s been argued that it was in becoming a predator that human life developed the software for our conscious mind; it takes more knowledge to make weapons and follow tracks than to gather fruit.

In which case, we owe our very humanness to the predatory life pattern.

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He had the foresight to know how awesome Mutual of Omaha’s Wild Kingdom would be. 🙂
 
It’s been argued that it was in becoming a predator that human life developed the software for our conscious mind; it takes more knowledge to make weapons and follow tracks than to gather fruit.

In which case, we owe our very humanness to the predatory life pattern.

ICXC NIKA
Yes… to teach us how to hunt.
 
Lyall Watson asks the question very thoroughly in Dark Nature. See this thread on the subject.

In a nutshell, the natural order is a mirror image of the state of fallen man, caused by the Fall even though preceding it in time (as Mary’s Immaculate Conception was caused by the merits of Christ’s Passion). It also provides a suitable place for us to work out our salvation. The imperfections of the natural order - not just predators but also disease, natural disasters, etc. - make it impossible for us to make a heaven of earth: we have to look to the next life for the perfect happiness we seek.
 
Why did God create predators and prey species, being that a waste of energy. Somehow this sounds like a sado-masochist work, putting the species under unecessary stress, having to struggle their whole life to survive.
Because we demanded to know - that is, experience, partake in - good and evil, and being killed and eaten is an evil.
 
How can any of us truly “know” what God thought or why He did what He did? As the bible tells us, His thoughts are not our thoughts, His ways are not our ways.
 
Wait… guys, creatures such as dinosaurs had been hunting and killing each other for millions upon millions years long before humanity came on the scene. How could this carnivorous state of affairs be caused by actions that wouldn’t have been performed until millions of years afterwards?
 
my dearest friends ,

… how i read it — ( my personal opine and not official catholic teaching ) before the fall which is the loss of reality from our true world and existence into a world of good and evil all creatures and man were herbivores ( vegetarians ) and there were no carnivores at all of any kinds or types , it’s a long story all this but adam and eve listened to satan and sought the forbidden knowledge of good and evil , the sad thing is this forbidden knowledge is false and is non - existent , the only reason it appears to exist is god has thrown us and our whole world outside reality into a sort of alternate dimension and fantasy world …

… the reason is if evil exists then this is a reflection oin god and shows imperfection in god , if god has imperfection he ceases to exist , the reason is that god must exist as there must be something or noting and if something exists fine , but if nothing exists by its strict definition thein nothing has become something ( if nothing exists then having existence nothing has become something – so whilst the word nothing is so commonly used the fact is nothing is what it says --i t is nothing and as such cannot exist ) , so it is impossible for nothing / ness to exist – the very in nature of nothing is that it is what it says : nothing : and it cannot exist , so whether you say something or nothing exists something has to exist , ad this something is what we call god , now if any nothing / ness exists iin this something which must be the most total something poss then this most infinitely perfect something that can possibly be has a degree or amount of nothing / ness and if nothing exists even slightly then god ceases to be – this cannot be…

…, evil is imperfection and cannot be as it shows god to be imperfect too and if so god does not exist , there are several arguments along these lines that show god cannot exist if non - god type things do , to combat adams rebellion god threw our world outside reality until it can be fixed and it will , the same will happen for the damned who are in the opposite of the reality of heaven – they are in hell now , then reality will be restored when as in the apocalypse the in new heavenly jerusalem comes down to earth and our whole world is recreated in to our paradise of edein and heaven together and all is restored to how it should be as before the rebellion of the demons and main and we live happily ever after …

… right now this world is a type of hell and fallen main is like a demon disguised as an angel of light , so it is not pleasant here to say the least as i’m sure most will say yay amen , all the punishments here are related to that moment of disobedience by adam ain d eve ain d i’ll explain how it all works aind unfolds if any want to know how it all works, even prehistoric dinosaurs were vegetarians – it’s all myths and guess that they were giant ferocious vicious meat eating killers that tore apart anything that came near them , , we learn a tad about this in the book of genesis , but god is so clever all this seems to be really happening but it will disappear as if it never happed when fixed soon , it must gradually unfold like this for the benefit of main and all rather than just be whammo fixed …

… there is no time either , we only have a concept of time because we can measure change , but we must exp change gradually unfold because we cannot exp our whole eternity unfold all at once , so we are called to make a small sacrifice for the infinite human beings to come – our children and children’s children and on and on it goes ad infinitum , god had to put up with this mess where we suffer but a brief time to create the angelic and human species – but this mess will go and the blissful eternity that just gets better forever is more than worth it for us and our endless descendants , a small price to pay this for so much …

more to come >>>
 
some more to come after this >>>

… this world is not reality , it is a delusion whilst all gets fixed by god , this will be completely forgotten once fixed soon too by everyone , even the laws of physics have been changed so that all is good and evil , god was bound to carry out his threat to adam and eve when they disobeyed him , but such is the abundant explosion of love and mercy god fixed all the instant it went wrong – we are just not experiencing it yet , and iin the end we don’t just get our world here restored to our paradise and ourselves fixed – we get heaven too – and better still the most perfect experience of heavein humainly possible and the pleasure will ever iin crease – the absolute best of both worlds awaits all , but for now we must bear with this mess …

… we are the great forefathers of the human family that will be infinite and never experience any of these woes , we must do it for our endless loved ones & children – all this small sacrifice ,


more to come >>>
 
… a big key point is how the animals and men behaved in noahs ark , they were not predatory or carnivorous , the ark is many types but chiefly it is a type of your blessed mother mary the immaculate conception , and in her was like the garden of eden to symbolise she was not touched by the effects of original sin inside , there is tons can be said on this if any want to chat about it …

… we are the great forefathers of the human family that will be infinite and never experience any of these woes , we must do it for our endless loved ones & children – all this small sacrifice , a quick word of warning – in this life here now we are in eternity and we choose to live in hell , purgatory , limbo of types and heaven – it is just we are extremely protected and don’t get the full experience of the phase of eternity we are in ( which can change ) but we get foretastes , but once death knocks or the end comes we get the full experience of the phase of reality we choose to live in now , don’t squander your chance at heaven hey !!! …

… if any want to chat about this or anything then join in and talk to me , your welcome dear brothers and sisters …

… bless you all +++ ,👍🙂

… i am john …

that is it folks …
 
Wait… guys, creatures such as dinosaurs had been hunting and killing each other for millions upon millions years long before humanity came on the scene. How could this carnivorous state of affairs be caused by actions that wouldn’t have been performed until millions of years afterwards?
That’s a very good point.
 
Why did God create predators and prey species, being that a waste of energy. Somehow this sounds like a sado-masochist work, putting the species under unecessary stress, having to struggle their whole life to survive.
All life “Struggles their whole life to survive”. It does not matter that one is predator.prey. carnivorous or herbivore or omnivore…Life is a struggle.
Likewise, I always wonder why people seem to have a problem with one mobile life form killing another mobile life form, but have no problem with the killing of immobile life forms (plants) by other life forms…🤷

I don’t say the above as an attack on you chibi…just as a general comment on how we as humans tend to view things…

In truth - to answer your question - we cannot know why God made things as He did…We can learn much about his creation but not about why.
It’s really just that simple…

Peace
James
 
God has cursed the earth because of Man, and any curse tends to bring waste of energy and stress rather than serenity.
 
Why did God create predators and prey species, being that a waste of energy. Somehow this sounds like a sado-masochist work, putting the species under unecessary stress, having to struggle their whole life to survive.
The implications of the history and evolution of life on earth remains something unsettled as to how it’s reconciled with the Christian narrative. It is problematic - at least from appearances from our perspective with a knowledge limitation of today.

But it also remains unsettled how this is reconciled to an agnostic and atheist world that makes a claim to objective morality similar to that of Christians: e.g., predation is morally wrong.

Hypotheses emerge - all revolving around altruism or even social evolution etc. - but none of these are satisfactory in my opinion and merely engaging in myth making to explain away the obvious: Be a free rider and John Dillinger and impregnate as many women on earth as you can to your liking; take what you want and live like a man and not like a coward.

I understand empathy. Some might call the “God notion” a byproduct of that. And there is a biological root to empathy. However, one’s intellect ought be able tell them the folly in empathizing with the rich and landowners or even the middle-class. Engage them - violently if needed - and take what you want, including their women. Be a silver back gorilla.

I don’t know that evolution can explain the full scope of the human experience. One of my biology professors said during lecture that humans really are no more than another type ape. Well, these apes have large scale prisons systems and do the utterly ridiculous like empathize (and moralize over) with the rape of some 14 year old girl half way across the world that they don’t even know. More ridiculous is we even care if women have the right to vote. And so what if black people were lynched, and?

From my perspective the U.S. prison system exists because God exists. Since atheists know right from wrong and can rejoice or see benefit in justice that requires punishment of the predator, so to does God, ergo His prison of hell for the serial killer.

We are the image of God after all. We sentence people to purgatory or give out life sentences in hell. So does God. We create and have the greatest intellects in the universe so far we know, and so it is with God to even a more majestic degree we say.

So, I have no idea why God created a world of predators and prey. But then I don’t know why humans do half the things we do. Having a world full of nuclear bombs is but one example. Presumably, humans could vote created a pretty harmonious world for all humans to live in if we wanted too. But fat chance of that ever happening.
 
Wait… guys, creatures such as dinosaurs had been hunting and killing each other for millions upon millions years long before humanity came on the scene. How could this carnivorous state of affairs be caused by actions that wouldn’t have been performed until millions of years afterwards?
I was informed on another thread dealing with this subject that sometimes effects may actually precede causes. In this case, Adam’s fall, though it wouldn’t happen for (probably) hundreds of millions of years, caused all other non-human animal predation – retroactively.

While it might seem that that kind of rationalization might lead to utter chaos (e.g. Dear IRS: I didn’t file my tax returns for 2001 because Obama won the 2008 election!!), it appears that it can only be invoked by theologians on a case-by-case basis and never for anything that can ever be falsified, as one might expect.
 
I was informed on another thread dealing with this subject that sometimes effects may actually precede causes. In this case, Adam’s fall, though it wouldn’t happen for (probably) hundreds of millions of years, caused all other non-human animal predation – retroactively.

While it might seem that that kind of rationalization might lead to utter chaos (e.g. Dear IRS: I didn’t file my tax returns for 2001 because Obama won the 2008 election!!), it appears that it can only be invoked by theologians on a case-by-case basis and never for anything that can ever be falsified, as one might expect.
this is a big issue in quantum mechanics, as a casual google search of “quantum entanglement” shows. I suspect the problems humans have in expressing the difference between what we understand as cause and effect and causality as it really is in the universe as a whole (or as seen through God’s eyes) are attributable to the limitations of the human mind, limitations of common sense experience and the limitations of language.

Westerby
 
Without predators, we would live in a world filled with rabbits.
I can’t disagree with that 👍

But I’d also add that the food of heaven (and the light of heaven) is Christ. So it is not unreasonable to assume that God himself was the “necessary for life” food of the garden of Eden.

Adam and Eve unfortunately chose the food of the earth rather than the food of heaven.

Since Adam and Eve were both the stewards and the purpose of creation, all of creation fell with them. All creation then needed earthly food rather than heavenly food. And so there you have predators (and prey).

Perhaps? Just a thought.
 
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