Why did God create death?

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Sirach 11:14 Good things and bad, life and death, poverty and wealth, come from the Lord.

Why did God create death?

Pope Benedict says in the first volume of Jesus of Nazareth that all scripture refers to Jesus Christ.

So, what can we say about the creation of death and Jesus Christ?

I think God created death so that Jesus could die on the cross for our sins.

Second, God created death so that our own death could be united with Jesus’ death and resurrection.

Jesus was crucified between two criminals. One mocked Jesus, the other begged for mercy.

In the second volume of Jesus of Nazareth Benedict says that in the Eucharist, we are united to the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

In the Eucharist, we are united to Christ as was the second criminal.
 
Mortality, death, is a natural part of the material/physical world of living organisms.

What God did create for the human species is an immortal, spiritual life of happiness eternal in the presence of the Beatific Vision.
 
That still doesn’t answer the question. The story of Adam and Eve says that they were created perfect…ie immortal! Sin is what led to the destruction of the material world. Jesus was prepared to repair that in dying-shedding of the blood of the lamb-SACRIFICE. Somehow SACRIFICE was the only way to win victory over Death and Hades. But why is Death an entity itself. Why was it required to shed Pure, Innocent Blood for the Salvation of Mankind? Why is Blood so important in the bible? Why did God the Father require this or is it Death that demanded it?
 
That still doesn’t answer the question. The story of Adam and Eve says that they were created perfect…ie immortal! Sin is what led to the destruction of the material world. Jesus was prepared to repair that in dying-shedding of the blood of the lamb-SACRIFICE. Somehow SACRIFICE was the only way to win victory over Death and Hades. But why is Death an entity itself. Why was it required to shed Pure, Innocent Blood for the Salvation of Mankind? Why is Blood so important in the bible? Why did God the Father require this or is it Death that demanded it?
Not really sure how Death is an entity in itself. Unless one believes in the Grim Reaper.🤷

The only way to win victory over death is the Ressurrection. The only person capable of that deed is Jesus Christ, True God and True Man.
 
God did not create death, or evil, or anything that is imperfection.

God is the fullness of everything. Death is the lack of life. When through our sin we fell short of that perfection that God wanted to grant us, Christ had to come back to show us the path of perfection and give us eternal life.

Besides, what is death?
have you not read in the book of Moses, in the account of the bush, how God said to him, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living
 
Death itself is not evil.Keep in mind that in order to live, we need to eat. In order to eat, SOMETHING has to die. This is perfectly natural. Also, the lack of death would cause some huge problems on earth.

The death referred to in Gen 2:17 must be a spiritual death. Adam must have known what death was before God told him he would die if he ate from the tree. Otherwise the statement would have made no sense to him. And, when they ate from the tree, they DIDN’T die (at least not right away). So God must have been talking about death of the spirit, (which they definately suffered. After they ate the forbidden fruit, the lies and deceit and the finger pointing began.)

Col 2:13 And you, BEING DEAD IN YOUR SINS and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath He quickened together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses…(KJV)
 
That still doesn’t answer the question. The story of Adam and Eve says that they were created perfect…ie immortal! Sin is what led to the destruction of the material world. Jesus was prepared to repair that in dying-shedding of the blood of the lamb-SACRIFICE. Somehow SACRIFICE was the only way to win victory over Death and Hades. But why is Death an entity itself. Why was it required to shed Pure, Innocent Blood for the Salvation of Mankind? Why is Blood so important in the bible? Why did God the Father require this or is it Death that demanded it?
Part of it has to do with covenants.

Once you enter into a coveannt, you don’t get out of it. Covenants never end until one of the parties dies. Jesus died to end the old covenant.

Covenants are also entered into with an oath, a shared meal, a sacrifice and blood.

***Hence even the first covenant was not ratified without blood. For when every commandment of the law had been declared by Moses to all the people, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, saying, "This is the blood of the covenant *which God commanded you." (Hebrews 9:18:20)

All covenants were entered into with an oath between parties. They swore never to break the agreement with an oath. There was usually a shared meal. Meals were very private back then, and to share a meal with someone meant that you had a special relationship with that person. Covenants also included a sacrifice. The sacrifice was a way for each party in the covenant to agree that what happened to the animal will happen to them if they break the covenant. Lastly, covenants are sealed with the blood of the animal. Without blood there is no covenant. Jesus was the lamb, the sacrifice of the new covenant which was sealed in his blood.

The old covenant, which Israel entered into with God at Mt. Sinia, clearly laid out the blessings which come with faithfullness and the curse that comes with unfaithfullness.

***I call heaven and earth today to witness against you:m I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. Choose life, then, that you and your descendants may live, *(Deuteronomy 30:19)

The punishment for unfaithfulness to the covenant was death. Death was demanded when one was unfaithful to the covenant. God knew of human weakness and in his mercy, he gave the Israelites animal sacrifice to satisfy the demands of the covenant. When someone transgressed the covenant, instead of being put to death, they would bring a sacrifice to the Temple. The animal would die in place of the person. The priest would lay his hand on the head of the animal and pray, transferring the sin of the person to the animal, and the animal would die in place of the person to atone for sin.

he shall lay his hand upon the head of the burnt offering, and it shall be accepted for him to make atonement for him. (Leviticus 1:4)

Jesus’ death satisfied the demands of the old covenant “once for all.” The blood of animals could never satisfy the demands of the covenant perfectly - Jesus perfect blood was required to do this. This is the whole point of the book of the Letter to the Hebrews.

Jesus sacrifice satisfied the old covenant because he is the perfect passover lamb, and his sacrifice and blood sealed the new covenant.

And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, "Drink of it, all of you; for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. (Matthew 26:27-28)

It’s all about covenants. Jews were people of the covenant. The Bible is a story of covenants.

-Tim-
 
Lv 17:11 “because the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you that you make atonement with it upon the altar for your souls and the blood may be an expiation for the soul.”

Sacrifice is necessary now because of sin:

Rom 5:9-10, 12 “How much more then, since we are now justified through His blood, will we be saved through Him from the wrath. Indeed, if while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, how much more, once reconciled, will we be saved by His life. … Therefore, just as through one person sin entered the world, and through sin, death, and thus death came to all, inasmuch as all sinned…” (NAB)

God knew that we would sin when He gave us free will. He must have known that the most precious blood of His Son was going to have to be shed to save us.

HOW MUCH DOES HE LOVE US!!:byzsoc::crossrc::gopray2::gopray:
 
If I understand it right, death entered the world as a consequence for sin. Yet Christ by His life, death, and resurrection has transformed death from being a consequence to an act of love.
 
God created death so we could explore the knowledge of good and evil. Since evil cannot last forever, death is the end of it’s reign.

In the Garden of Eden, Adam & Eve ate from the Tree of Eternal Life. They exchanged eating of this for the fruit of the Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil. This sends mankind on a journey where we will be exposed to evil. Even Mary & Jesus were exposed to this in their journey of life. There is no person who has escaped sorrow from death. This is where we gain the knowledge and have the opportunity to convert the knowledge to wisdom; convert the limit to the limitless; choose good over bad.

The good news is Jesus Christ IS the Treeof Eternal life, so in the end we can have it all … Knowledge of good & evil AND Eternal life!!! Praise be God!!!
 
“Because God did not make death, nor does he rejoice in the destruction of the living.” (Wisdom 1: 13).
“Therefore, just as through one person sin entered the world, and through sin, death, and thus death came to all, inasmuch as all sinned” (Romans 5: 12).
“But by the envy* of the devil, death entered the world, and they who are allied with him experience it.” (Wisdom 2:24).

God’s original plan was that mankind should not experience death through the preternatural gift of immortality he gave Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve needed this preternatural gift because bodily death is a natural consequence of living here on earth. Adam and Eve lost this gift when they sinned as well as losing it for all their posterity. The death of the body is a sign of the spiritual death of the soul as can be seen when God kicked them out of the garden of Eden where they enjoyed God’s friendship and possessed sanctifying grace.
 
Mortality, death, is a natural part of the material/physical world of living organisms.
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…yes, which was created by God. I want to look up this subject in my Jewish commentaries; they make the case that death was created by God. I don’t think it can be here, without being created by God, in the context of the Bible.

Ultimately, if it comes from God, it can’t be bad.

There’s the story of the old rabbi who was sweeping the floor in his shop (he needed to make a living). He was stiff and sore with age. His clothing was a bit tattered. A man came in and asked him how he was to react to the bad things that happened to him. The rabbi replied “I don’t know. Nothing bad has ever happened to me.”
 
Regarding human death,

I used the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Second Edition, paragraphs 396 - 409 and learned that human death was the result of Adam’s Original Sin. Which means that God did not create death for humans.

For additional information, please refer to St. Paul’s reflections on the Sin of Adam through which death entered human history in Romans 5: 12 -21.
 
Sirach 11:14 Good things and bad, life and death, poverty and wealth, come from the Lord.

Why did God create death?

Pope Benedict says in the first volume of Jesus of Nazareth that all scripture refers to Jesus Christ.

So, what can we say about the creation of death and Jesus Christ?

I think God created death so that Jesus could die on the cross for our sins.

Second, God created death so that our own death could be united with Jesus’ death and resurrection.

Jesus was crucified between two criminals. One mocked Jesus, the other begged for mercy.

In the second volume of Jesus of Nazareth Benedict says that in the Eucharist, we are united to the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

In the Eucharist, we are united to Christ as was the second criminal.
Regarding human death,

I used the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Second Edition, paragraphs 396 - 409 and learned that human death was the result of Adam’s Original Sin. Which means that God did not create death for humans.

For additional information, please refer to St. Paul’s reflections on the sin of Adam through which death entered human history in Romans 5: 12 -21.
 
God created death so we could explore the knowledge of good and evil. Since evil cannot last forever, death is the end of it’s reign.

In the Garden of Eden, Adam & Eve ate from the Tree of Eternal Life. They exchanged eating of this for the fruit of the Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil. This sends mankind on a journey where we will be exposed to evil. Even Mary & Jesus were exposed to this in their journey of life. There is no person who has escaped sorrow from death. This is where we gain the knowledge and have the opportunity to convert the knowledge to wisdom; convert the limit to the limitless; choose good over bad.

The good news is Jesus Christ IS the Treeof Eternal life, so in the end we can have it all … Knowledge of good & evil AND Eternal life!!! Praise be God!!!
My apology. How does this story relate to Catholic teachings regarding the person of Adam and Original Sin?
 
“Because God did not make death, nor does he rejoice in the destruction of the living.” (Wisdom 1: 13).
“Therefore, just as through one person sin entered the world, and through sin, death, and thus death came to all, inasmuch as all sinned” (Romans 5: 12).
“But by the envy* of the devil, death entered the world, and they who are allied with him experience it.” (Wisdom 2:24).

God’s original plan was that mankind should not experience death through the preternatural gift of immortality he gave Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve needed this preternatural gift because bodily death is a natural consequence of living here on earth. Adam and Eve lost this gift when they sinned as well as losing it for all their posterity. The death of the body is a sign of the spiritual death of the soul as can be seen when God kicked them out of the garden of Eden where they enjoyed God’s friendship and possessed sanctifying grace.
It is rare that people talk about the preternatural gift of immortality which was given to Adam and Eve. Thank you for your post which ties into the fact that human death was due to Original Sin. Human death was not created by God.
 
It is rare that people talk about the preternatural gift of immortality which was given to Adam and Eve. Thank you for your post which ties into the fact that human death was due to Original Sin. Human death was not created by God.
There are some good responses here, especially the quotation from Wisdom, but how can there be anything (besides God) that he did not create?
 
There are some good responses here, especially the quotation from Wisdom, but how can there be anything (besides God) that he did not create?
One needs to step back for a bit and slowly read the* Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition,* paragraphs 355 - 421 with a truly open mind*. *

Notice what God created as human nature. Notice that God created humans with a spiritual principle. There is no indication that God created Adam with a sinful nature. Instead, read about Adam’s “original holiness and justice”.

Read the paragraphs describing Adam’s sin. Notice that the sin belongs to Adam and not to God.

Once one realizes that the sin was “created” by Adam as he sought to be equal to God’s powers, by preferring himself over God’s stipulation of human obedience, then it should be obvious that human death is a result of Adam’s sin. Did God create sin?

I realize that the early concepts of a creator involved two gods. One is good and one is evil. One needs to be careful when assigning sin and its results to a single God especially a God Who is considered good*.*
 
It is interesting that my original post contained a citation from Sirach and the refutation of that (in scripture) came from (the) Wisdom (of Solomon) – both Deuterocanonical books.

sure, I’ll check out the catechism.
 
It is interesting that my original post contained a citation from Sirach and the refutation of that (in scripture) came from (the) Wisdom (of Solomon) – both Deuterocanonical books.

sure, I’ll check out the catechism.
Crumpy: I think Sirach is referring to the present fallen state of mankind in the citation you quote from him.
 
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