Why did God create dinosaurs

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grannymh said:
I know of a real incident which took place at the Brookfield Zoo. However, just because the animal exhibited human emotions and human altruism, she didn’t move out to the suburbs.]
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That shows wisdom and good judgment on the part of the animal.
 
Astrochemist said:
I have much respect for Catholic priests who are scientists (more because they are Priests than because they are scientists). I myself am a scientist./QUOTE]

OK. Josef Zycinski is by all accounts (and by my personal experience) a holy bishop and scientist. And he does not shrink from discussing or writing about that topic of which we are forbidden to speak…
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StAnastasia said:
OK. Josef Zycinski is by all accounts (and by my personal experience) a holy bishop and scientist. And he does not shrink from discussing or writing about that topic of which we are forbidden to speak…
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His book on evolution looks interesting. I’ll look into it.
 
StAnastasia said:
Memaw, you lump as lot of things together than should not necessarily be lumped together. Reading and writing are specialized forms of communication that reflect greater cognitive development. Not all animals reflect this development; not all humans do either. As for choosing right from wrong, there are interesting studies on animal proto-morality. Due to the ban on posting about science I cannot offer detailed specific references. But you might enjoy reading Marc Bekoff’s The Emotional Lives of Animals: A Leading Scientist Explores Animal Joy, Sorrow, and Empathy - and Why They Matter. Also good is Jeffrey Masson, When Elephants Weep: The Emotional Lives of Animals.

Again, note that not all humans can “read or write or “act” on their ‘free will’ to choose right from wrong.” Basing possession of a “soul” on these criteria can be risky.

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I think memaw is referring to the species and not the individuals among species. There is no other specie that can read or write but humans. I think no one is trying to sell the idea that animals are like rocks. Of course there is some sort of intelligence in animals. They have brains, they process information but it’s limited. They show some sort of emotions as the result of brain activity. My dog lets me know he’s happy when I get back home. If I tell him I won the lottery, will he show he’s happier?

I remember George Carlin in his routine about dogs and cats: he said that dogs act happy when you get home after spending the whole day at work. The dog is happy to see you again. He went on and said that if you leave your house in the morning, find out that you left your car’s keys inside and go back in the house to get them, the dog acts just as happy as when you come back from work. Dogs have no notion of time, they’ll jump up and down as if you have been gone for hours when in fact you came in your house one minute after closing the door.

Emotions, tears… I’ve known animals have them since I was in grade school. When studying the animal kingdom we learned that man is unique among living creatures, and from the mere physical aspect of life and giving our brain superiority, there is no other living creature like us. A human being on his deathbed can pass information to his descendants that will help them to avoid harm. No animal can do likewise. A young lion learns from his mother/father only by watching, if he gets distracted the lesson is lost, the father can’t ask him, “did you see what I did”? … and explain if the answer is “no”.

Humans, the species, is the only one that can discern good from wrong. We teach animals (our pets) to “discern” good from wrong, eg. my dog learns not to attack a stranger. Just as our brain, our Spirit, in the likeness of God, separate us from the rest of the animals too.

In an old thread here at CAF I found this:

“Soul” is a term Catholics understand to mean the animating force in a living thing. Animals have souls. Plants have souls.
Humans, however, have immortal, rational souls. It would be possible for a Catholic, who is not being precise, to say “animals have no souls” – but we would mean that they do not have human souls and are not heirs to the immortality that we believe is the destiny of human beings…
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Prieldedi said:
I think memaw is referring to the species and not the individuals among species. There is no other specie that can read or write but humans. I think no one is trying to sell the idea that animals are like rocks. Of course there is some sort of intelligence in animals. They have brains, they process information but it’s limited. They show some sort of emotions as the result of brain activity. My dog lets me know he’s happy when I get back home. If I tell him I won the lottery, will he show he’s happier?

I remember George Carlin in his routine about dogs and cats: he said that dogs act happy when you get home after spending the whole day at work. The dog is happy to see you again. He went on and said that if you leave your house in the morning, find out that you left your car’s keys inside and go back in the house to get them, the dog acts just as happy as when you come back from work. Dogs have no notion of time, they’ll jump up and down as if you have been gone for hours when in fact you came in your house one minute after closing the door.

Emotions, tears… I’ve known animals have them since I was in grade school. When studying the animal kingdom we learned that man is unique among living creatures, and from the mere physical aspect of life and giving our brain superiority, there is no other living creature like us. A human being on his deathbed can pass information to his descendants that will help them to avoid harm. No animal can do likewise. A young lion learns from his mother/father only by watching, if he gets distracted the lesson is lost, the father can’t ask him, “did you see what I did”? … and explain if the answer is “no”.

Humans, the species, is the only one that can discern good from wrong. We teach animals (our pets) to “discern” good from wrong, eg. my dog learns not to attack a stranger. Just as our brain, our Spirit, in the likeness of God, separate us from the rest of the animals too.

In an old thread here at CAF I found this:

“Soul” is a term Catholics understand to mean the animating force in a living thing. Animals have souls. Plants have souls.
Humans, however, have immortal, rational souls. It would be possible for a Catholic, who is not being precise, to say “animals have no souls” – but we would mean that they do not have human souls and are not heirs to the immortality that we believe is the destiny of human beings…
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=193916
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Thanks, Prieldedi, I was saying the same thing but just in fewer words. God Bless, Memaw
 
Prieldedi said:
I think memaw is referring to the species and not the individuals among species. There is no other specie that can read or write but humans. I think no one is trying to sell the idea that animals are like rocks. Of course there is some sort of intelligence in animals. ]
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Thanks, but in light of the ban on discussing science, I think I’ll refrain from replying.
 
Memaw said:
NO such thing as a diluted soul, maybe a diluted mind but not a diluted soul. Even scientists have a whole one all their own. God Bless, Memaw
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I guess ensoleing the MRCA doesn’t work then.
StAnastasia said:
Would you argue that Archbishop Jozef Zycinski of Lublin Poland (where Pope John Paul II was) has a diluted soul? He is a scientist.
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Of course.
Astrochemist said:
It need not be binary, it need simply be restricted to the whole numbers.

I have never met 1/2 of a soul.
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Well then I assume when it splits it rounds down so eventually people are going to have a value of 0 for soul. Or maybe if souls work just like a gene, then I guess you should see that depending on which genes you get some people have soles and some dont. Are souls dominant or recessive?
 
Astrochemist said:
I have much respect for Catholic priests who are scientists (more because they are Priests than because they are scientists). I myself am a scientist.

I still stand by that I find the comment very funny. Maybe my humor has been skewed by my diluted soul…
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The above rspect for priest/scientists being so, why not acquire the book by Fr. Victor Warkulwiz, M.S.S. entitled “The Doctrines of Genesis 1-11” A compendium and Defense of Traditional Catholic Theology on Origins. It is everything a Catholic needs to know to uphold the literal truth of Genesis 1-11 as the front cover explains.

He has many years of lab research in various scientific fields with a degree from La Salle College in electornic physics. He received a Ph. D. in Physics from Temple University where he did experimental research in Holography, theoretical work in statistical mechanics and operated a planaterium. He did his disertation research at the National Bureau of Standards research reactor, where he gained experience in the field of precison thermodynamic measurements, cryogenics, vacuum technology, critical phenomenon in fluids, neutron diffraction and nuclear instrumentation. Then he taught many subjects at Magdalen College including classical mathematics, natural philosophy, astronomy, atomic chemistry and physics, logic and philosophical biology. he also lectured on medieval lhistory, the history and nature of communism and creationism vs. the hypothesis of evolution.

Dr. Warkulwisz continued to work in industiral settings until he heard the call to the priesthood whereupon in 1991 he became a priest. Since becoming a priest he has helped hundreds of parishes in the US and elsewhere to start or maintain perpetual Eucharistic adoration. He was named national director of the Apostalate for Perpetual Eucharistic Adoration in October 1998 and theologigical reviewer for the kolbe Center for the Study of Creation in 2001. he is profiled in the 2003 and 2004 editions of Who’s Who
in America. I obtained this information about him from page 489 and 491 of his aforementined book.

I’ve met Fr Victor at a paleoarchaeological excavation in which we participated in 2004 with about 50 other volunteers. He and I worked the shovels on occasion. Two of the geneticists I know, Dr Maciej Giertych formerly performed field and lab research as a population geneticist under the Polish Academy of Scientists and Dr John Sanford whom I met at Vlllanova UN would love to see academia C-14 our alleged human bones and more dinosaur bones so they could see for themselves that those millions of years between man and dinosaur simply don’t exist; and, that those long ages for radiometric dating are meaningless as I posted earlier. So let me say that my Polish scientists are just as well educated and smart as yours 😃

Please visit the web site for Italian scientist Cardone who has shown that by simple experiments in ultrasonic cavitation Thorium 228 changed from 1.92 years to 10,000 times that. I gave his site in my last post.The effects of cavitation has been observed after rapid moving waters at a Western dam tunnels and from the Massoula MT ancient glacier lake natural dam region so the point is that rocks containing minerals of other radioactive decay metals could have greatly increased in half lives giving useless older half lives and therefore meaningless old ages for the earth. And what about half lives of radioactive elements in meteorites? Could they have askewed hal-lives? What about the fourth state of matter, plasma [ionized state], where the half lives of radioactive elements fall from millions and billions of years to minutes and days? Couldn’t the reverse happen — after solidifying of meteorites could the radioactive elements in meteorites to give ridiculous old half lives? Like I said, date the fossils with C-14 not the rocks that may have suffered cavitation in a watery situation or ionization in outer space.😉 I think we all have a lot to learn, lets use the tools that God gave us to get the chronologies correct.😉
 
newearth said:
i was reading the catholic ansers forums about Why did God create dinosaurs. and all the ansers were wrong… at age 18 i got the roman catholic bible and read the whole old testament till i was 21… and i know i saw the part in there where god made the beast to punnish man… or beheemoths. - beast… one of them…
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Nah…but that may explain why He created mosquitoes and chiggers~ 😃
 
Poco said:
Don’t forget tapeworms!
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My bad! 😦 Now there may be even more posts getting this thread further off track!
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And those that try to tell us we may only have 1/2 a soul!!!, God Bless, Memaw
 
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