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Elizabeth_C
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You made me smile with this one!
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callime
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Just by reading Job 39 and 40. there is a more description of what was on Earth. Now God talks about Behemoth, I did some research and Behemoth means hippopotamus this is in Job 40:15, and then there is a more description of a large animal. If I’m not sadly mistaken, it is describing a Dragon. What animal when snouting would blow steam from his nostrols? Or fire for that matter?
And I also think everything was made for a reason. Like dinosaurs and oil, but still it doesn’t explain how they disappeared. Guess it wasn’t important.
And I also think everything was made for a reason. Like dinosaurs and oil, but still it doesn’t explain how they disappeared. Guess it wasn’t important.
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DomusAurea
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So sweet! Thanks!You made me smile with this one!
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StrawberryJam
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While the reasons for the extinction of dinosaurs may not be important to your eternal salvation or standing with your God, it most certainly is important to know. Just like the many other things we continue to study and learn about that have nothing to do with eternal salvation or standing with your God. I hope you agree.
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callime
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SJ-I totally disagree with you, see everyday I want to learn more about the Salvation of Jesus Crist, which by the way is a free gift. I can care less about dinosaurs, if they were so important than why aren’t they mentioned more and still alive?
and as for the Angel guarding the Garden of Eden,I don’t think the angel is there, see the Tree of Life came and died for us on the Cross.
and as for the Angel guarding the Garden of Eden,I don’t think the angel is there, see the Tree of Life came and died for us on the Cross.
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DomusAurea
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We don’t have to seek every truth (we couldn’t!) but we shouldn’t disregard it either. There’s no such thing as truth leading anywhere else than to God.
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StrawberryJam
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Let’s put this another way. Is your concern for knowledge on any subject determined only by it’s relationship to your salvation? If so, please be aware this is not a view supported by the catholic church. I am simply stunned by most of your comments so far.
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callime
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SJ you are just so wrong about everything,
There are people who do believe and don’t believe in Dinosaurs.
Every post you have you always want to know if that angel is still holding that sword, why don’t you go to the Garden and find out!
There are people who do believe and don’t believe in Dinosaurs.
Every post you have you always want to know if that angel is still holding that sword, why don’t you go to the Garden and find out!
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StrawberryJam
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I am wrong about everything? So wrong about everything?
How could you possibly know that with such certainty? Was I wrong to go to the doctor (a specialist) when I was sick? Was I wrong when I took the medication he perscribed ?Neither were mentioned in the bible.
Everything is a whole lot to be wrong about.
By the way, you are the only person I have ever encountered that claims what you claim. There could be more like yourself, but I never met a catholic with views like yours here. I had to double check to make sure I was not at Carm.
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DomusAurea
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I’m on team Strawberry Jam!
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Prieldedi
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The answer to the question is that God created dinosaurs for the same reason He created all of the animals.
There are human footprint side by side with dinosaurs footprints in a rock bed in the Paluxy River in Glen Rose, Texas. This seems to confirm that humans and dinosaurs lived at the same time, although apparently there is a debate going on on whether they were made at the same time, or if the “human” footprints are really human. Wonder why they don’t doubt if the “dinosaur” footprints are really dinosaurs. Anyway, it’s hard to believe that those prints were made 65 million years apart. If the bed rock was soft when the dinosaurs walked on it, how did that bed rock became soft 65 million years later without losing the dinosaurs footprints? There is also another place where human and dinosaur footprints are side by side, in the Turkmenian plateau in Russia.
I think that there is no “smoking gun” that proves that oil comes from dinosaur remains. In fact, some scientists believe that oil is produced by other means that have nothing to do with fossils, in other words, that it’s produced by the Earth, just like some minerals. If this would be true, oil reserves could be unlimited (as we still don’t really know the processes that take place underground), but we all can be sure that this fact will not sit well with oil speculators.
Sorry if what I say next is off topic, but after reading the rest of the answers so far, I want to say that on this matter I’m on the side of the skeptics. Not that I don’t believe in dinosaurs; what I’m uncomfortable with is the way many scientist seem to manipulate data. For example, how do they date the age of the bones of dinosaurs? The Carbon 14 dating method can’t date remains of a creature that lived more than 58-62,000 years ago (some say 100,000 years), and at the same time, it’s not a 100% reliable dating method, so… why do scientists say dinosaurs bones are 65+ millions years old? Not based on scientific data. There is a lot of inference but not a lot of scientific data. We’ve heard “65 millions years ago dinosaurs became extincts” so much that most accept it as a fact, but is it? The truth is that that figure is not based on scientific data. Although scientists will say it is, they face the problem that the dating methods used are not reliable, a problem they know is real but they wont tell us so.
Scientist today are view as “infallible” and “trustworthy”, close to being “saints”, when in fact they have the same human weaknesses that every human being has. People tend to believe everything scientists say, they give them all credibility, what amounts to “blind faith” in what they say. Science in the second half of the 20th Century stopped being a “vocation” and became a “profession”, even a way to become rich. When you think about it, there are millions of dollars given away every year for research in many scientific fields. Governments (USA, England, Japan, Germany), the National Geographic Society, the Smithsonian Institute, the Discovery Channel, the History Channel, etc., all of them allocate those millions of dollars every year and give them to scientists. Just like any investor, they want and expect a “return” for their investment. If scientists come back from their trip saying “I couldn’t find a single bone”, do you think someone will give them the money for the following expedition? Money plays a big role in this field. I read several years ago that a museum in Phoenix, Arizona paid 12 million dollars for the skeleton of a T-Rex. At that rate, who would go out looking for bones and come back empty handed?
It blows my mind to think that every “dinosaur bone seeker” that goes out looking for bones always finds them. Wherever they look for bones they find them. Farmers all over the world work the land every year and I’m still waiting for the reports of bone findings by farmers, but so far, only scientists can find them and only scientists know where to find them. One thing appears to be “true”: that dinosaurs “decided” millions of years ago to live as far away as possible from all the human settlements that were to be built millions of years in the future, and they also decided to be found by scientists. Their bones are always in some remote area, far away from human settlements. No kidding, land is moved every year for crops, foundations are dug for houses and buildings, but so far I have never read of a single dinosaur bone found anywhere in the world in any of these activities. On the other hand, every year scientists report their findings: every trip produces bones.
All this has put me, as I said at the beginning, on the side of the skeptics. The way I see it, the more we know about dinosaurs, the less we really know about them.
There are human footprint side by side with dinosaurs footprints in a rock bed in the Paluxy River in Glen Rose, Texas. This seems to confirm that humans and dinosaurs lived at the same time, although apparently there is a debate going on on whether they were made at the same time, or if the “human” footprints are really human. Wonder why they don’t doubt if the “dinosaur” footprints are really dinosaurs. Anyway, it’s hard to believe that those prints were made 65 million years apart. If the bed rock was soft when the dinosaurs walked on it, how did that bed rock became soft 65 million years later without losing the dinosaurs footprints? There is also another place where human and dinosaur footprints are side by side, in the Turkmenian plateau in Russia.
I think that there is no “smoking gun” that proves that oil comes from dinosaur remains. In fact, some scientists believe that oil is produced by other means that have nothing to do with fossils, in other words, that it’s produced by the Earth, just like some minerals. If this would be true, oil reserves could be unlimited (as we still don’t really know the processes that take place underground), but we all can be sure that this fact will not sit well with oil speculators.
Sorry if what I say next is off topic, but after reading the rest of the answers so far, I want to say that on this matter I’m on the side of the skeptics. Not that I don’t believe in dinosaurs; what I’m uncomfortable with is the way many scientist seem to manipulate data. For example, how do they date the age of the bones of dinosaurs? The Carbon 14 dating method can’t date remains of a creature that lived more than 58-62,000 years ago (some say 100,000 years), and at the same time, it’s not a 100% reliable dating method, so… why do scientists say dinosaurs bones are 65+ millions years old? Not based on scientific data. There is a lot of inference but not a lot of scientific data. We’ve heard “65 millions years ago dinosaurs became extincts” so much that most accept it as a fact, but is it? The truth is that that figure is not based on scientific data. Although scientists will say it is, they face the problem that the dating methods used are not reliable, a problem they know is real but they wont tell us so.
Scientist today are view as “infallible” and “trustworthy”, close to being “saints”, when in fact they have the same human weaknesses that every human being has. People tend to believe everything scientists say, they give them all credibility, what amounts to “blind faith” in what they say. Science in the second half of the 20th Century stopped being a “vocation” and became a “profession”, even a way to become rich. When you think about it, there are millions of dollars given away every year for research in many scientific fields. Governments (USA, England, Japan, Germany), the National Geographic Society, the Smithsonian Institute, the Discovery Channel, the History Channel, etc., all of them allocate those millions of dollars every year and give them to scientists. Just like any investor, they want and expect a “return” for their investment. If scientists come back from their trip saying “I couldn’t find a single bone”, do you think someone will give them the money for the following expedition? Money plays a big role in this field. I read several years ago that a museum in Phoenix, Arizona paid 12 million dollars for the skeleton of a T-Rex. At that rate, who would go out looking for bones and come back empty handed?
It blows my mind to think that every “dinosaur bone seeker” that goes out looking for bones always finds them. Wherever they look for bones they find them. Farmers all over the world work the land every year and I’m still waiting for the reports of bone findings by farmers, but so far, only scientists can find them and only scientists know where to find them. One thing appears to be “true”: that dinosaurs “decided” millions of years ago to live as far away as possible from all the human settlements that were to be built millions of years in the future, and they also decided to be found by scientists. Their bones are always in some remote area, far away from human settlements. No kidding, land is moved every year for crops, foundations are dug for houses and buildings, but so far I have never read of a single dinosaur bone found anywhere in the world in any of these activities. On the other hand, every year scientists report their findings: every trip produces bones.
All this has put me, as I said at the beginning, on the side of the skeptics. The way I see it, the more we know about dinosaurs, the less we really know about them.
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callime
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No SJ, wrong about that last comment you made about my concern for knowledge on any subject determined only by it’s relationship to my salvation?
What’s that suppose to mean?
Prieldedi I agree with you. There are just some information that I don’t agree with and what man has said for a lot of years-their extiction. Some say they were distroyed by a meteor.
Some say by a flood.
I do know this, God has a plan for everything.
What’s that suppose to mean?
Prieldedi I agree with you. There are just some information that I don’t agree with and what man has said for a lot of years-their extiction. Some say they were distroyed by a meteor.
Some say by a flood.
I do know this, God has a plan for everything.
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StrawberryJam
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I’m very sorry, but to go over each point you made here that I think needs to be discussed would take quite some time. Since you mentioned one method of dating, I thought we could go with that first.
You may find these links regarding dating methods to be enlightening.
gate.net/~rwms/AgeEarth.html
darwiniana.org/datingmethods.htm#Dating
actionbioscience.org/evolution/benton.html
I am not a fan of Ken Ham, but his theology is alive and well apparently.
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StrawberryJam
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There was no worldwide flood event, so that’s not why.
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Lost_Wanderer
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Hey guess what, stuff like high school and college education are important too yet you don’t see those being mentioned in the Bible.
I think StrawberryJam’s point is that knowledge can be important even if it’s not knowledge related to religion.
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rwillenborg
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Maybe he created them for the same reason he created stars that we can’t see, sounds that we can’t hear, and smells and tastes we can’t experience.
Think about this.
Just because YOU right NOW don’t experience this particular thing doesn’t mean you weren’t thought about in the plan when that particular thing came to exist.
Or, maybe God has a little bit of 10 year boy in him who likes things that are big, scary and loud. There’s that option, too.
Think about this.
Just because YOU right NOW don’t experience this particular thing doesn’t mean you weren’t thought about in the plan when that particular thing came to exist.
Or, maybe God has a little bit of 10 year boy in him who likes things that are big, scary and loud. There’s that option, too.
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StrawberryJam
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That’s an admittedly cute way to say it. I’ll have to remember that one (and borrow it?) if I ever believe.Maybe he created them for the same reason he created stars that we can’t see, sounds that we can’t hear, and smells and tastes we can’t experience.
Think about this.
Just because YOU right NOW don’t experience this particular thing doesn’t mean you weren’t thought about in the plan when that particular thing came to exist.
Or, maybe God has a little bit of 10 year boy in him who likes things that are big, scary and loud. There’s that option, too.
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geoformeo
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Oh dear me, where to begin. I guess I should begin with a question: why do you think that the scientists are wrong? Do you really think that a group of scientists got together one day, started making up radiometric age dates, and got the idea that they would trick the entire world into believing the Earth and Universe are really old, for the sole purpose of “discrediting” the Bible? Please
Your insights above unfortunately display your ignorance of the scientific method and disdain for science in general. Please be aware of a couple important points:- Modern science developed in Christendom. Yes, that’s right, and it was started and developed by none other than Catholic priests. The reason it did so is because we Christians have an underlying philosophy that God created the universe with order and intelligibility. Science is merely a way of interpreting God’s “natural” divine revelation in the workings of the natural world.
- Truth cannot contradict itself. Natural truth as revealed by science must by necessity be in agreement with divinely inspired (Biblical) truth.
As Strawberry Jam noted, there is too much in your post to critique one by one. I will say that as far as finding dinos is concerned, you have to know where to look for them (and there is a science behind that). For example, go see how many dinosaur bones have been found in Kansas, the heart of American farmland.
If you have any specific questions regarding the science, I’d be more than happy to address them. But please do not belittle the science when you have no idea how it works.
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StrawberryJam
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Geoformeo,
I thank you for commenting on this topic, I was nearly tempted to pray someone like you would come along and post. I did have my 'thoughts" of hope that a catholic would step in and comment. You came.
So glad you did.
I thank you for commenting on this topic, I was nearly tempted to pray someone like you would come along and post. I did have my 'thoughts" of hope that a catholic would step in and comment. You came.
So glad you did.
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geoformeo
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S-Jam,Geoformeo,
I thank you for commenting on this topic, I was nearly tempted to pray someone like you would come along and post. I did have my 'thoughts" of hope that a catholic would step in and comment. You came.
So glad you did.
Well, how about that…your “thoughts” had an answer. There are no coincidences. Glad to be of help. Keep up those “thoughts” of yours
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