Why did God create dinosaurs

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Sanford and Simmons have virtually no credibility outside creationist circles.
Yeah, kind of expected that.
Schn!

Are you serious that a scientist needs to win a Nobel prize to be validated?!
No. Let’s break it down.
  1. Disproof of evolution would cause the disprover to receive large amounts of attention and awards, probably including the Nobel prize.
  2. Neither Sanford nor Simmons have a Nobel prize, nor do they have any attention outside of creationist circles.
  3. It is unlikely Sanford or Simmons disproved evolution.
Consider the sense of sight. One day one cell in this this creature is able to detect differences in electromagnetic radiation. From then on, every change in the DNA sequence must be positive for the ability of sight, no errors. Then we must have other cells that can understand the signals sent by the light receptors. Also, we need cells that can transmit those signals from the receptors to other cells that can interpret these changes in electromagnetic radiation. And all this occurs due to random changes in a DNA sequence?
I apologize for such a lame attempt at describing “Irreducible Complexity”.
Now, if Schn can give me a reasonable explanation how cells of the iris, lens, optic nerve, brain, et. al. developed simultaneously to give us the sense of sight…
Anastasia gave a great link on this.

I find it amusing that Prieldedi is under the illusion that he knows the motivations of scientists.
 
Expelled is a pathetic fraud that has been thoroughly debunked on “Expelled Exposed”: expelledexposed.com/

It was made by liars and cheats, and has zero credibility with anyone who understands science. The film makers lied to my department when on their request I set up an interview for them with our director. When we found out they were lying and that this was an ID creationist film, we pulled the plug on the interview.

StAnastasia
Well, this proves what I have been saying all along… you seem to confirm that the world is full of liars. There are lies on the right, lies on the left, lies in academia, lies in reporting, lies in films, lies in documentaries, etc, etc.

Precisely the reason I’m skeptic.
 
Well, this proves what I have been saying all along… you seem to confirm that the world is full of liars. There are lies on the right, lies on the left, lies in academia, lies in reporting, lies in films, lies in documentaries, etc, etc.

Precisely the reason I’m skeptic.
On the other hand, does this mean that the One speaking truth is the Creator of dinosaurs Who wants us to remain with Him forever in complete love?

Blessings,
granny

Spring is the message of hope sent by God.😃

These two websites contain TV ads about Catholicism. The first is from one of the Dioceses which is using them. The second is general information.

www.CatholicsComeHomeRockford.org
 
No, there is not a huge difference. A corrupt scientist no more damages the scientific enterprise than a pedophile priest damages the Church. The pedophile priest scandal with the bishops’ cover-up certainly damaged the credibility of the Church as much if note more than the so-called “climategate” damaged the credibility of science.
Let’s look at the individuals here. Look inside each of them. Forget for a moment the consequences and scandals in each case. Put yourself in the moment the action is taking place, in the moment before the news is spread all over the world, can you do that?

To me the huge difference is the personal motivation. In this scenario we agree that both men are corrupt. The corrupt priest does it because he wants to satisfy a personal need or inclination, which is bad an repugnant, don’t get me wrong. The act is a matter between him an his victim (adult or young, man or woman). Another thing we must consider is that this crime is present in all society: protestant pastors, teachers in schools, foster parents, step parents, bosses, military people, husbands, wives, friends, in other words, persons with any kind of authority. You’ll find this kind of predators among these persons, the Catholic Church doesn’t have a monopoly on pedophilia or sexual harassment. It’s an epidemic that has no distinction of religion, race, gender, profession, country of origin, wealth or lack of it, etc.

Furthermore, this corrupt priest is not trying to convince all members of his church to be with him and satisfy his needs. It’s just him and his victim. He does it in hiding. He doesn’t preach in the pulpit the lie that what he does is good. On the contrary, he wants to hide what he does from the rest of the world.

The other corrupt fellow wants to deceive a lot of people. He wants to frame the human mind of thousand and millions of people to think what he wants us to think. He is the expert, he knows more, he works in the open, he uses his pulpit to spread his lies. He doesn’t believe in God and he really wants to destroy the notion of God from the mind of human beings (check Richard Dawkins, scientist, website).

I agree with your argument that the scandal damages the credibility of both institutions, the Church and the scientific community. But if we expect priests to be honest, truthful, pure, celibate, what’s wrong with expecting scientists to be at least honest and truthful? I don’t expect them to be pure or celibate. We, as Catholics, can’t have a set of standards for one group of people and another for set for another group.
 
But if we expect priests to be honest, truthful, pure, celibate, what’s wrong with expecting scientists to be at least honest and truthful? I don’t expect them to be pure or celibate. We, as Catholics, can’t have a set of standards for one group of people and another for set for another group.
True. I do expect scientists to be honest and truthful. I work with hundreds of scientists who are like that. I work with Catholic priests who are also evolutionary biologists, chemists, and stellar astronomers. They celebrate Mass in the morning and then go off to their labs and classrooms to teach truthfully and honestly.
 
On the other hand, does this mean that the One speaking truth is the Creator of dinosaurs Who wants us to remain with Him forever in complete love?

Blessings,
granny

Spring is the message of hope sent by God.😃

These two websites contain TV ads about Catholicism. The first is from one of the Dioceses which is using them. The second is general information.

www.CatholicsComeHomeRockford.org
Yes. But the Creator doesn’t always speak through the voice of scientists, specially those scientists rejecting the Creator in the first place.
 
Well, this proves what I have been saying all along… you seem to confirm that the world is full of liars. There are lies on the right, lies on the left, lies in academia, lies in reporting, lies in films, lies in documentaries, etc, etc.
No, I did not say “the world is full of liars.” The makers of Expelled lied to me and to my interdisciplinary department when they contacted us in 2007 about being in their film. Not everyone is like these film makers.
 
True. I do expect scientists to be honest and truthful. I work with hundreds of scientists who are like that. I work with Catholic priests who are also evolutionary biologists, chemists, and stellar astronomers. They celebrate Mass in the morning and then go off to their labs and classrooms to teach truthfully and honestly.
Can we say that we agree that the message from Priests about the Gospels is the same, that is One voice, One mind, but the message from scientists about creation is not the same, different voices, different minds?
 
Can we say that we agree that the message from Priests about the Gospels is the same, that is One voice, One mind, but the message from scientists about creation is not the same, different voices, different minds?
Scientists don’t speak as scientists about “creation” because that is a theological, not a scientific term. Scientists study various aspects of nature, and they report their findings through the different “languages” of physics, astronomy, cosmology, evolutionary biology, chemistry, genetics, neuroscience, geology, paleontology, etc. The all speak about the same nature, just as priests speak about the same gospels.

StAnastasia
 
Here’s a caveat. No dinosaur fossils have been discovered above the K-T Boundary, and, no human fossils have been discovered below the K-T Boundary.
 
Here’s a caveat. No dinosaur fossils have been discovered above the K-T Boundary, and, no human fossils have been discovered below the K-T Boundary.
YECs would argue that this is because the dinosaurs were drowned early on during Noah’s flood and were covered with sediment that paleontologists falsely interpret as having been caused by an asteroid impact. All human victims of the flood floated for a while before sinking to the ocean floor and being entombed above this “K-T Boundary.”
 
YECs would argue that this is because the dinosaurs were drowned early on during Noah’s flood and were covered with sediment that paleontologists falsely interpret as having been caused by an asteroid impact. All human victims of the flood floated for a while before sinking to the ocean floor and being entombed above this “K-T Boundary.”
And they make that claim with a straight face?!? :rotfl:

Of course, among other things, they’d have to explain how water made a global layer of iridium. :rolleyes:
 
Scientists don’t speak as scientists about “creation” because that is a theological, not a scientific term. Scientists study various aspects of nature, and they report their findings through the different “languages” of physics, astronomy, cosmology, evolutionary biology, chemistry, genetics, neuroscience, geology, paleontology, etc. The all speak about the same nature, just as priests speak about the same gospels.

StAnastasia
I’m talking about the message coming out from each group.

Priests give the same explanation about the Eucharist time and time again. They speak with one voice and have done so for 2000 years.

Forget creation, stick to whatever science field you want. In that particular field of your choice, do all scientists of that field speak with the same voice? Yes? No?
 
And they make that claim with a straight face?!? :rotfl: Of course, among other things, they’d have to explain how water made a global layer of iridium. :rolleyes:
Mr Skeptic, Noah carried with him on board the Ark a large supply of iridium in powdered form. Some YEC biblical scholars believe he towed a second “arklet” behind, furnished with a spray dispersal system. As the ark floated around the world on the flood waters, the iridium was sprinkled uniformly on the waves, where it sank to the bottom. Noah waited to begin the iridium dispersal process until all the dinosaurs had died and sunk to the bottom where they were covered by initial layers of diluvial silt. He then turned on the iridium dispersal sprayers, making sure to nudge stray decaying human corpses out of the way so they wouldn’t accidentally get covered. Noah then arranged for the human corpses to sink to the ocean floor on top of the iridium layer, where they were buried by additional layers of diluvial silt.

It was a complex and interesting process. I expect to see juried papers on the topic appearing soon in the pages of Nature and Science.

StAnastasia
 
  1. Disproof of evolution would cause the disprover to receive large amounts of attention and awards, probably including the Nobel prize.
Many gave “disproof/evidence” of the global warming hoax and did not recieve “large amounts of attention and awards, probably including the Nobel prize.” Actually, many lost grants, tenure ect.
  1. Neither Sanford nor Simmons have a Nobel prize, nor do they have any attention outside of creationist circles.
Dr. John C. Sanford
published over 80 scientific publications in peer reviewed journals
more than 30 patents

Dr. Geoffrey Simmons
merely an MD from what I can find

but, refer to 1. above
  1. It is unlikely Sanford or Simmons disproved evolution.
True. However, I do think they made an excellent case that “Darwinian Evolution” is highly unlikely.
Anastasia gave a great link on this.
“And, according to one scientist’s calculations, only 364,000 years would have been needed for a camera-like eye to evolve from a light-sensitive patch.”

One scientist! Are you serious!? And as to his calculations… Did they account for errors? Or is that if every genetic change led to an improvement?

I still think God made dinosaurs because they are cool!
 
Forget creation, stick to whatever science field you want. In that particular field of your choice, do all scientists of that field speak with the same voice? Yes? No?
What do you mean by “the same voice”?
 
No. That’s not how science works.
Is it science or is it scientists who don’t work like that?

My point is that since there are different opinions and interpretations from the scientific community in these fields of earth sciences, it means that what scientists say can’t be taken as complete truth. Which has been my point all along: tell it like it is. If the results of the data study is an approximation, say it is so. Don’t say the data proves something as fact. If you interpret data one way and someone else does it another way don’t attack him personally just because he sees it differently.
 
Mr Skeptic, Noah carried with him on board the Ark a large supply of iridium in powdered form. Some YEC biblical scholars believe he towed a second “arklet” behind, furnished with a spray dispersal system. As the ark floated around the world on the flood waters, the iridium was sprinkled uniformly on the waves, where it sank to the bottom. Noah waited to begin the iridium dispersal process until all the dinosaurs had died and sunk to the bottom where they were covered by initial layers of diluvial silt. He then turned on the iridium dispersal sprayers, making sure to nudge stray decaying human corpses out of the way so they wouldn’t accidentally get covered. Noah then arranged for the human corpses to sink to the ocean floor on top of the iridium layer, where they were buried by additional layers of diluvial silt.

It was a complex and interesting process. I expect to see juried papers on the topic appearing soon in the pages of Nature and Science.

StAnastasia
Sounds like Noah was a very busy man during the flood! 😃
 
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