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StAnastasia
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Granny you needlessly reject science in favor of a literalist biblical hermeneutic. Neither path is necessary.
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StAnastasia
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Steve, where do you get your supply of sheep for Velly? I imagine she goes through at least one per day. We kept out tricerotops on the ranch, but had to get rid of the T-Rex.Ooooops…time to feed my pet velociraptor…or sweet velly as we affectionately call her.
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StAnastasia
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What questions are these?
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Memaw
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God does not require us to understand the universe and how it works to get to Heaven, but HE does require us to know and love Our Lord Jesus Christ and his Church and teachings.
I took a double take…but got it. The bible is a guide us to heaven. Science is to guide us in understanding the universe and how it works.
Ooooops…time to feed my pet velociraptor…or sweet velly as we affectionately call her.
That’s plenty good enough for me and it will take me the rest of my life doing that. God Bless, Memaw
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grannymh
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No where have I ever rejected science. That is an unfair statement.
Please do not confuse a single theory with the whole of science. Your comment is totally unfair to my position.
I have questioned parts of a specific, single theory concerning specific, individual research methods and materials. What I have rejected is certain specific interpretations. The assumption that valid questioning is rejecting science is wrong and unfair. The right to reject a specific interpretation of specific research is part of the rational process. To imply that it means a rejection of science is unfair.
Regarding non-human animals, I am right with the scientists, especially regarding dinosaurs. You are judging my position unfairly without ever asking what my position is.
No where have I said that I favor a literalist biblical hermeneutic. Every time you use the word hermeneutic, I have to look it up in the dictionary. You are guessing at my position regarding the 73 books of the Bible and that is unfair.
If asked, I would say that I favor the doctrines of the Catholic Church.
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Every human being is worthy of profound respect.
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Prieldedi
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Has any human being “seen” his/her own brain?
I talked about this before in this thread. Try not to get too literal with “seen”. For that matter, I haven’t “seen” 180 out of the 200 or so countries of the world. I haven’t “seen” 34 out of the 50 States of USA. There are things that most of us have not “seen” and will never “see” in our lives, but we believe other people that tell us they’ve seen them. Besides, we can see not only with our eyes, but with the eyes of reason, of heart, of faith.
Haiti, Chile and countless other places in the world feel the effect of the earth movement when plate tectonics release their energy. I live in an earthquake area, I have experienced them in my life.
I don’t accept the theory of evolution because I find many holes and unanswered questions in it. My eyes of reason make me question it. When I ask, I’m told that evolution doesn’t answer certain questions, or that other fields of science answer those questions, or I’m told “you really don’t understand evolution”. In its 150 years of existence, many well known evolution-scientists have resorted to fraud, deception, deceit, in order to demonstrate that evolution is a fact. If it’s a fact, if it’s so easy to demonstrate scientists have no need to falsify, fake and manipulate their findings. The Gospel teaches us the importance on truth in our lives, importance that should be observed by all in all fields of work. Why resort to lies? Is it because it isn’t that truthful after all?
I’ve put a lot of thought to this issue. I don’t reject it on theological or religious basis, although I can’t deny that some scientists will use evolution to attack religion, specially the Christian faith. As it has been said by you and other posters, many Catholic priests are scientists and evolutionists. But this doesn’t prove evolution.
To summarize, I have to say that evolution, to put it in lawyer’s terms, it’s all circumstantial evidence, which for the prosecution is more than enough, but for the defense is not enough. I’m not a lawyer, but circumstantial evidence is not good enough for me.
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ccolley
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Does your baby do tricks? Velociraptors are supposed to be smart!There’s my baby! Right by my user ID!!!
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StAnastasia
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You don’t know earth movement is caused by plate tectonics. It’s only a theory. It could just be God pushing the earth around with his little divine finger, just as you believe speciation is caused by God manipulating genes.
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StAnastasia
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(1) What holes and unanswered questions have you found? I haven’t seen you list any.
(2) You claim that “many well known evolution-scientists have resorted to fraud, deception, deceit” – you just made that up, didn’t you? Tut, tut!
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StAnastasia
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In your insistence on a literal interpretation of the Adam and Eve story, you reject genetics, biology, and paleontology.
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StAnastasia
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They’re great in figuring out how to chase kids around in kitchens.
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grannymh
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Pardon me. But I do have to laugh. There is such a big difference between story as you call it and Catholic doctrine. There is such a big difference between literal interpretation of hundreds of words and the one fact of two sole parents of the human species.
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StAnastasia
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There’s only circumstantial evidence supporting gravity, plate tectonics, relativity, and quantum mechanics. Fundamentalists don’t seem to have a problem with that. But who ever expected intellectual consistency from them?
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StAnastasia
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Granny, there is no “fact of two sole parents of the human species.” That is utter scientific nonsense, and to assert it categorically is to flush genetic and paleontological science down the toilet. You may of course choose to do that, but many Catholics choose not to do this.
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grannymh
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Thank you,
Apparently, considering the fact of two sole parents of the human species as “utter scientific nonsense” is your explanation as to why you did not answer the theology questions in post 618.
I understand. You don’t need to answer.
Regarding your post 621 “What questions are these?” My intention is to abide by the ban in this forum; therefore, I cannot discuss content. However, I can say that the questions follow the general format of who? how? what? when? where? why? and cost?
Regarding the question “Why did God create dinosaurs?” My final answer is – because we couldn’t.
There, I have completed my participation on this thread.
Blessings to all.
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Spring is a message of hope sent by the Creator.
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Mr_Skeptic
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For argument sake, I would have said that God created dinosaurs because he could, and left it at that.
Once you start throwing in things like intentional deceit of far inferior creations, well, now the madness sets in. The deity loses it’s clout.You actually helped me cue my next song.
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Philipp
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So those of us who want to have all the scientific evidence put on the table for discussion regarding how we got here and said time frame should have known better than to try and present hard data to those who believe in fairy tales like - life developing from stars to rocks to bacterium then through some mysterious eruption of life in the Cambrian period 600 million years ago. Ah! God must have programmed zillions of miracles on his celestial computer over billions of years; that is even harder to grasp than Dawkins might promote which is what I keep reading over and over again on this thread.
Yet the only God I know of performed His miracles “at once” (simul) like changing water into wine, multiplication of bread and fish and his own resurrection thus ensuring us a place in heaven if we would just believe in His word and follow the ten commandments.
Come on, give our kids a chance; stop peddling fairy tales and lets have a real discussion by using an opposing hypothesis of origins like:
“Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on Earth are genetically related, it is virtually certain that all living organisms have obviously been created AT ONCE by the One and the same Creator by variation in the DNA structure of each life form. [Simul in latin meaning “at once” in English, from Lateran IV, AD 1215] ****
What do you say fellow cousins? Give 'em a break and teach science not fairy tales. Maybe they will then be able to better hold on to their Catholic faith.
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Philipp
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Glad to be of help. You might want to read Peter II. The idea that one purpose out of many for dinosaurs being created was to confound scoffers of His word in the last day has far more merit than one posted on the first page of this thread, namely for man to have oil. In that case we could go to one of the moons of Jupiter and get all the hydrocarbons we will ever need. Gosh they must have had dinosaurs on Titan too.For argument sake, I would have said that God created dinosaurs because he could, and left it at that.
You actually helped me cue my next song.
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