Why Did God Create The Universe

[MindOverMatter]

Of course that really doesn’t tell us anything. By this view there once wasn’t a universe and the reason for there not being one would be because god didn’t love it enough to have made it.

God exists outside of time. Therefore God has always created the Universe. The Universe exists as a result of Gods attributes; and thus has always existed; although from our perspective, it quite rightly has a beginning.

 

[MindOverMatter]

Hello Taylor007

Eventually we will present God with a perfect mirror; He will see a perfect image; He will know He is perfect; and will know everything including His own omniscience. That is one possibility.

No it isn’t. If God is perfection, then God knows he is perfection. God knows himself perfectly.
IF we are forced to agree with your aguement, then it would mean that God did not create us so that we could become perfect in God, but rather so that God could look in the mirror for all eternity.

This God you speak of sounds pretty vein and needy of compliments. That doesn’t sound like the perfect God of Christianity.

Hello Taylor007A second possibility: God is infinite; He is everything possible; evil is a possibility; therefore God was faced with the elimination of evil. (Charlemagne II alludes to this in his post #7). Perhaps God created us to do the heaving lifting in ridding Him of evil? Thus, free will. As each of us rejects evil we are removing a particle of moral evil from possibility. To see how I think this works out, you might want to take another look at my posts on your “Suffering” thread. The key is the scientific theory of Parallel worlds (or Universes).

If God wanted to simply remove evil from his own being, he would not have created creatures with freewill. He created us so that we could freely choose that which is perfection. Hence the existence of those who choose to do wrong.

 

[taylor007]

first of all yp,only your post answered my query directly and presented some debatable ideas before me.i thank you.

Hello Taylor007

Perhaps it isn’t omnipotence that precipitated God to create us, but omniscience? Could God have known that He is perfect?
…perhaps God in seeking to know His own perfection, created an imperfect mirror, a mirror filled with defects.

I think omniscience means having perfect or complete knowledge.
but doesn’t the statement ’ perhaps God in seeking to know ’
contradict his omniscience ? (i did notice the question mark)

… created an imperfect mirror, a mirror filled with defects. The world is God’s mirror; we create the defects; so when we reject evil or do good we eliminate a defect from God’s mirror. Eventually we will present God with a perfect mirror; He will see a perfect image; He will know He is perfect; and will know everything including His own omniscience. That is one possibility.

does an omniscient and omnipotent god require the help of mere mortals to learn abt his perfection? i dont think so

A second possibility: God is infinite; He is everything possible; evil is a possibility; therefore God was faced with the elimination of evil. (Charlemagne II alludes to this in his post #7). Perhaps God created us to do the heaving lifting in ridding Him of evil? Thus, free will. As each of us rejects evil we are removing a particle of moral evil from possibility. To see how I think this works out, you might want to take another look at my posts on your “Suffering” thread. The key is the scientific theory of Parallel worlds (or Universes).

i think i have read somewhere that god is everything except evil.since evil is imperfection of some sort ,i dont think being devoid of evil challenges his perfection or his ‘all powerful’ stature.even your second possibility raises a number of questions in my mind.(probably u already know the questions).but i should say that even though it throws up a number of questions and deviates considerably frm the conventional christian ideas,your parallel world concept appeals very much to me.

 

[marilyn_Casella]

Claiming God is love, doesn’t answer the question of why he created anything.

Well if you think about what love is and the fruits of his love it makes sense. He loves us and givs us life, beauty and above all himself - the trinity.

 

[StAnastasia]

So that there would be humans to open tins of catfood for Her. rossum

So long, and thanks for all the fish.

 

[jbrown0059]

i wont elaborate this question.
**WHY DID GOD CREATE THE UNIVERSE ?**DID HE FEEL THE NEED FOR A UNIVERSE? IF HE DID ,DOESN’T THAT RAISE QUESTIONS ON HIS OMNIPOTENCE?

My personal observation:

God created man to see if over time he and his offspring would recreate the essence of heaven on earth. To see if all men would share the wealth of the world among all people and not become a self serving, hedonistic, race.

Did He succeed?

 

[taylor007]

okay,some nice observations.
but i was hoping for someone to come with a more direct answer.i am not for a debate.just wanna know.

 

[Numinous]

For the same reason that a fish cannot understand the circumstances that brought him to his present environment. He cannot understand the nature of water or the pleasure he gives to that large, weird, amorphous shape that appears to be moving near him every so often.

Oh, yes. I also like Paul’s words on the subject: “Now we see as in a mirror, dimly, but then, face to face.”

 

[taylor007]

Hello Taylor007

A second possibility: God is infinite; He is everything possible; evil is a possibility;
Yppop

i am finding this difficult to believe.can someone else clarify this statement,please?

 

[Jean_Anthony]

Please be considerate and stay on the OP’s topic, everyone. This is not yet another thread about the existence of God. If you want to discuss that topic, please join an ongoing thread on that topic or start a new one in the appropriate forum. Thank you all.

 

[greylorn]

The answer depends entirely upon one’s definition of God.

If God is defined to be a logic limited entity bound by at least one law of physics, one can legitimately invent interesting answers to the question of purpose.

However, if God is defined as the omnipotent, omniscient God of Christianity and derivative religions, all answers to your question are simply the result of human imagination, and equally absurd.

By way of analogy, consider…

The difference between your IQ and that of your pet gerbil is large, but finite. The difference between your IQ and that of an omniscient God is infinite.

Imagine reading a story with a complex and mysterious plot, such as a classic Sherlock Holmes mystery. Read it out loud so that your pet gerbil can hear. But read only the first sentence, to make the amount of story disclosed to the gerbil equivalent to the amount of knowledge about the universe owned by mankind.

It is far more likely that your gerbil will figure out the Sherlock Holmes plot after you’ve read the first sentence of the story to it, than any human will ever understand the purpose of an infinite God.

So why ask the folks on CAF? With respect to such questions, they only know what they’ve been instructed by the Church. You don’t need to post a thread for this— you need to buy a Catholic Catechism.

A limited-God concept offers more interesting possibilities.

 

[taylor007]

The answer depends entirely upon one’s definition of God.

If God is defined to be a logic limited entity bound by at least one law of physics, one can legitimately invent interesting answers to the question of purpose.

However, if God is defined as the omnipotent, omniscient God of Christianity and derivative religions, all answers to your question are simply the result of human imagination, and equally absurd.

By way of analogy, consider…

The difference between your IQ and that of your pet gerbil is large, but finite. The difference between your IQ and that of an omniscient God is infinite.

Imagine reading a story with a complex and mysterious plot, such as a classic Sherlock Holmes mystery. Read it out loud so that your pet gerbil can hear. But read only the first sentence, to make the amount of story disclosed to the gerbil equivalent to the amount of knowledge about the universe owned by mankind.

It is far more likely that your gerbil will figure out the Sherlock Holmes plot after you’ve read the first sentence of the story to it, than any human will ever understand the purpose of an infinite God.

So why ask the folks on CAF? With respect to such questions, they only know what they’ve been instructed by the Church. You don’t need to post a thread for this— you need to buy a Catholic Catechism.

A limited-God concept offers more interesting possibilities.

Do you think the human logic is capable of correctly answering all the questions the universe throws at it ?I don’t think so.We humans have limitations and I think acknowledging it will lead us to a clearer concept on God.Just because a limited god concept
offers more interesting possibilities that might quench our inborn thirst for knowledge,it doesn’t mean that it is true.

 

[Eucharisted]

i wont elaborate this question.
**WHY DID GOD CREATE THE UNIVERSE ?**DID HE FEEL THE NEED FOR A UNIVERSE? IF HE DID ,DOESN’T THAT RAISE QUESTIONS ON HIS OMNIPOTENCE?

God, by His very nature as Mercy itself, is compelled to create man for eternal and absolute happiness, to forgive sinners, to sanctify souls, and to do all good things. In a sense, He exists to serve man, He is the One who gives and is the best Gift He can give to man, being Love itself. And man exists to serve Him and to give himself to God, his Lord and King, in love.

 

[ready]

I think God created the universe so man could better understand himself, his days and his Creator in creation. The stars and planets give us order and the means to mark the seasons and days and help us understand better the order found under God’s divine, loving providence.

 

[crowonsnow]

I think God created the universe so man could better understand himself, his days and his Creator in creation. The stars and planets give us order and the means to mark the seasons and days and help us understand better the order found under God’s divine, loving providence.

People are part of the universe, just like they are part of the earth and the solar system. If not, then what are they? How are they to live and exist?

 

[greylorn]

Do you think the human logic is capable of correctly answering all the questions the universe throws at it ?I don’t think so.We humans have limitations and I think acknowledging it will lead us to a clearer concept on God.Just because a limited god concept
offers more interesting possibilities that might quench our inborn thirst for knowledge,it doesn’t mean that it is true.

There is no such thing as “human logic.” There is only logic.

 

[ready]

People are part of the universe, just like they are part of the earth and the solar system. If not, then what are they? How are they to live and exist?

According to Genesis, Adam was formed from the slime of the earth (Eve from his rib.) But God also blew his spirit into the nostrils of Adam, allowing Adam to receive grace (which he and Eve lost through original sin.) When we are baptised, we return to our original state of grace and are not just one that is natural, but actually become elevated to be the adopted children of God, sharing in his dignity and his life-giving supernatural life. We are both spirit and body. Our spirit is not tied to the universe, like a corruptible body is. The spirit is eternal and thus makes humans actually like God himself, though not God Himself. And Christ becoming man makes His body like ours and elevates our body to His dignity. Therefore, we are to live and exist as children of God with all dignity and allegience to our heavenly Father and His commands as given through Jesus and His Church…not as mere pagans.