Why Did Jesus Heal?

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If one asks the Church what do with suffering, we get the answer, which is often repeated on this board, that we are to offer it up and join it with Jesus’ suffering. But why? Jesus heals numerous people in the Gospel. If we were meant to unite our suffering wit His, why didn’t he say that. “Oh, I can heal your blindness/leprosy/etc, but you can help your faith by living with it.” I’m sure someone somewhere reads the Gospel looking for healing from the Church, be it emotional, mental or physical, and then walks away disappointed being told, “Yes, there were healing in the past and once in a while nowadays, but you should offer up your suffering instead.” I can ask Him to heal my mental disorders and the crippling fear I have or to simply end it all for me, but I know it’s futile. I won’t be healed nor will I be “refined” as I’ve been told about my suffering doing to my soul as fire does to gold because I don’t get. I will never get it.
 
The first thing about mental disorders IMO is that unless there is particular pathology, like trauma, stroke, or Alzheimer’s, IMO they are almost all available for a “software” fix. In a way it’s a “disease” but in another way it’s typically a “reasonable reaction to an unreasonable circumstance.” Yes, treatment helps, but the Lord can heal and you can tap into that.

In part, Jesus healed to prove that He had authority. He tended to say “your faith has made you well.”

There is a role for suffering, and a way that it feeds into the strength of our spirit, but frankly when most people say “offering up” their suffering I’m not sure a lot of times if they even know what they are talking about except they are suffering and I guess think if they connect the word “Lord” and “suffering” in a sentence, somehow it will make things better.

On the other hand, suffering tests us and gives us reason to distrust our own intellect and ability to control situations, so we learn new mindset to deal with it. And in the process, according to St. Paul, produces perseverance.

Jas 1:2-4
2 Consider it all joy, my brothers, when you encounter various trials, 3 for you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. 4 And let perseverance be perfect, so that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.

Since I don’t know much about you, I won’t recommend anything. But FYI I’m getting over about a 15 year stint as “severe bipolar disorder” sufferer. I had some pretty extreme times, but healing did come and now looking back it all plays into the whole picture.

Have you heard of the Dark Night of the Soul, by St. John of the Cross? When I was plunged into craziness and disability, it helped explain the purification process I had to go through, involving “contemplative purgation” as I did my “shadow work” as some people call it. It’s like Purgatory, except you do it while still alive and find near-perfection of soul. The “Stanzas of the Soul” are a beautiful work from John of the Cross, that illustrate what a soul says about the whole “dark night” journey to find its lover.

Also there are certain spiritual advantages toward having been outside the norm mentally; it can help you think with wider range than before, help you become more empathetic, and even though I lost my career I realized there was hardly a thing better for me than the ability to spend tens of thousands of hours working on “reverse engineering” my illness. It was pretty bad like a few months of really bad depression a couple times, but for me it was generally more manic.
 
The first thing about mental disorders IMO is that unless there is particular pathology, like trauma, stroke, or Alzheimer’s, IMO they are almost all available for a “software” fix. In a way it’s a “disease” but in another way it’s typically a “reasonable reaction to an unreasonable circumstance.” Yes, treatment helps, but the Lord can heal and you can tap into that.
Unfortunately, it seems the so-called experts can’t read the “programming” or know exactly how to fix the “software,” if they can even find the power switch. It’s serotonin one day, pituitary gland the next.
There is a role for suffering, and a way that it feeds into the strength of our spirit, but frankly when most people say “offering up” their suffering I’m not sure a lot of times if they even know what they are talking about except they are suffering and I guess think if they connect the word “Lord” and “suffering” in a sentence, somehow it will make things better.
Thank you for understanding this.
On the other hand, suffering tests us and gives us reason to distrust our own intellect and ability to control situations, so we learn new mindset to deal with it. And in the process, according to St. Paul, produces perseverance.
Jas 1:2-4
2 Consider it all joy, my brothers, when you encounter various trials, 3 for you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. 4 And let perseverance be perfect, so that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.
For me, it’s producing fear due in part to that lack of control. Despite what Jesus said, I do worry about the next day and 20 years from now. While I’m supposedly considered intelligent, for all the good it does me, I only get a lot of things in hindsight. My lack of faith makes me feel even worse as I see myself as weak and pathetic. I’m tired of failing at the time.
Since I don’t know much about you, I won’t recommend anything. But FYI I’m getting over about a 15 year stint as “severe bipolar disorder” sufferer. I had some pretty extreme times, but healing did come and now looking back it all plays into the whole picture.
I’m glad you managed to recover and a bit envious of that. I wish He do to that to all of us rather than let us be ignored and ridiculed by even people who should know better.
Have you heard of the Dark Night of the Soul, by St. John of the Cross? When I was plunged into craziness and disability, it helped explain the purification process I had to go through, involving “contemplative purgation” as I did my “shadow work” as some people call it. It’s like Purgatory, except you do it while still alive and find near-perfection of soul. The “Stanzas of the Soul” are a beautiful work from John of the Cross, that illustrate what a soul says about the whole “dark night” journey to find its lover.
I’m not even close to the level of spiritual development for a “dark night.” From what I’ve read the “dark night” and depression are far different things and should not be confused with each other.
Also there are certain spiritual advantages toward having been outside the norm mentally; it can help you think with wider range than before, help you become more empathetic, and even though I lost my career I realized there was hardly a thing better for me than the ability to spend tens of thousands of hours working on “reverse engineering” my illness. It was pretty bad like a few months of really bad depression a couple times, but for me it was generally more manic.
My disorder make it difficult for me to form bonds. People think I’m good listener when it’s really I have nothing to say. So, I can’t say it’s made me empathetic. Bitter, yes, as I see them then go on with their lives filled with happiness and love while I receive no aid.
 
Unfortunately, it seems the so-called experts can’t read the “programming” or know exactly how to fix the “software,” if they can even find the power switch. It’s serotonin one day, pituitary gland the next.
That’s why the experts can’t fix the problem. My onset was in 2001, and a month later I had my first meeting with a spiritual director. I’d never even heard of such a thing (which annoys me because I was 42 year old active cradle Catholic) until someone told my wife about it a couple weeks before my onset. I asked him why the so-called “professionals” are so crazy. I told him they captured me like an animal after lying about my supposedly going to meet a doctor but it was really a trap, and brought me in the ward. Then ask me stupid questions like why did I come here and when I say I don’t know you brought me here and I don’t even know who signed the orders (I never actually even met her until three days later – she literally didn’t know me from Adam, but gave the order on 4th hand hearsay … so yeah then they wrote that I refused to answer the questions, and then they gave me tranquilizers because I was “non-compliant.” They don’t have any clue how to actually listen.

He said, they are too specialized. A person has six components; physical, mental, spiritual, emotional, social, and sexual – sexual being closely connected with self-identity. Their expertise is in one, or maybe two at most, of those areas. Each one looks at you through their own narrow view, and tries to treat you solely from that viewpoint. So if you go to a medical doctor (or a psychiatrist) you may have an emotional and spiritual problem, and they will try to fix it with medicine.

He started me off well, and I was lucky as he was a really great, old Redemptorist priest who was not only an expert at Church teachings, but kept up with psychology and was in occasional contact with at couple of them who were trying to change the way things were done.
For me, it’s producing fear due in part to that lack of control. Despite what Jesus said, I do worry about the next day and 20 years from now. While I’m supposedly considered intelligent, for all the good it does me, I only get a lot of things in hindsight. My lack of faith makes me feel even worse as I see myself as weak and pathetic. I’m tired of failing at the time.
Yeah, the trick is to be able to forecast and plan, without becoming anxious over it. That is no small feat, because we are programmed by our culture to remain anxious almost all the time over something, which messes up our brain chemistry because it keeps us in “fight or flight” much longer than our systems were designed for. So when we are anxious, it increases blood flow, and decrease immune system and other system maintenance. In fact, our amygdala is so focused on keeping us tense for the presumed threat for extended periods, that it will do its best to stop that part of the brain that tries to calm it down, in an attempt to destroy it.

So yeah, planning for tomorrow is a great thing. And yes, I have preferred outcomes but like you said we can’t control it. In fact, Paul suggested saying “God-willing” we will do his today or tomorrow, because it’s actually boasting to say “I will do this or that tomorrow” – in a world where we are to “meet expectations” and have penalties if we don’t do certain things by a certain date to a certain quality level. That’s why we have to be deprogrammed, essentially.
I’m glad you managed to recover and a bit envious of that. I wish He do to that to all of us rather than let us be ignored and ridiculed by even people who should know better.
Funny thing; I am now running late for something so I’ll have to finish up this post quickly. Feel free to send me PM, and/or continue here. It isn’t necessarily “rocket science” which is why experts don’t know how to fix people – they aren’t rocket engines. 😛
I’m not even close to the level of spiritual development for a “dark night.” From what I’ve read the “dark night” and depression are far different things and should not be confused with each other.
Yes, they are different, and I tend to use the “Dark Night” in a certain way. Dark Night can and probably almost always does involve some depression, but we’ll talk more later. Don’t believe people who say you have to be at a certain “spiritual level” for a Dark Night, as if you have to be all pious and stuff. That’s a bunch of hooey. But a lot of people are scared of it and have never been through it and actually St. John of the Cross has only been a doctor of the Church for less than 100 years, so his work hasn’t made its way into mainstream Catholic psyche yet, compared to the likes of Thomas Acquinas for example.
My disorder make it difficult for me to form bonds. People think I’m good listener when it’s really I have nothing to say. So, I can’t say it’s made me empathetic. Bitter, yes, as I see them then go on with their lives filled with happiness and love while I receive no aid.
Ah, that’s good information… Ok gtg will visit the thread, and my inbox, later. What is impossible for man is possible with God. And
 
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