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Jesus is engaged to His Bride, the Church. It’s a match made for heaven. He is staying faithful even while the couple are apart and waiting for wedding to come.
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stoplooklisten
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Slightly humorous saying…
The three rings of marriage:
The three rings of marriage:
- Engagement ring
- Wedding ring
- Suffer-ring
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stoplooklisten
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Jesus suffered greatly in His Crucifixion for His Bride, the Church.The three rings of marriage:
- Engagement ring
- Wedding ring
- Suffer-ring
When we eat His Flesh and drink His Blood, we remember His Death and Resurrection until He comes again.
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Roseeurekacross
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This encyclical is from 1954.
It is discussing consecrated virgins, either consecrated female virgins, or consecrated priests.
It does say
13. Those therefore, who do not marry because of exaggerated self-interest, or because, as Augustine says,[15] they shun the burdens of marriage or because like Pharisees they proudly flaunt their physical integrity, an attitude which has been condemned by the Council of Gangra lest men and women renounce marriage as though it were something despicable instead of because virginity is something beautiful and holy, - none of these can claim for themselves the honor of Christian virginity.[16]
Let’s use context
32. This doctrine of the excellence of virginity and of celibacy and of their superiority over the married state was, as We have already said, revealed by our Divine Redeemer and by the Apostle of the Gentiles; so too, it was solemnly defined as a dogma of divine faith by the holy council of Trent,[57] and explained in the same way by all the holy Fathers and Doctors of the Church. Finally, We and Our Predecessors have often expounded it and earnestly advocated it whenever occasion offered. But recent attacks on this traditional doctrine of the Church, the danger they constitute, and the harm they do to the souls of the faithful lead Us, in fulfillment of the duties of Our charge, to take up the matter once again in this Encyclical Letter, and to reprove these errors which are so often propounded under a specious appearance of truth.
This encyclical is discussing virginity , sacred virginity. Consecrated virgins
So what exactly is the dogma of divine faith of the council of Trent. We need to read that to get the context.
Because right now, you have shown an encyclical from 1954 discussing consecrated Vocations.
Where you argument in this thread is not about consecrated Vocations. It was about celibacy in the single Unconsecrated life compared to marriage.
They are very different issues
And let’s look at what more recent Vatican councils and encyclicals say about the Sacrament of marriage compared to the unconsecrated single life
It is discussing consecrated virgins, either consecrated female virgins, or consecrated priests.
It does say
13. Those therefore, who do not marry because of exaggerated self-interest, or because, as Augustine says,[15] they shun the burdens of marriage or because like Pharisees they proudly flaunt their physical integrity, an attitude which has been condemned by the Council of Gangra lest men and women renounce marriage as though it were something despicable instead of because virginity is something beautiful and holy, - none of these can claim for themselves the honor of Christian virginity.[16]
Let’s use context
32. This doctrine of the excellence of virginity and of celibacy and of their superiority over the married state was, as We have already said, revealed by our Divine Redeemer and by the Apostle of the Gentiles; so too, it was solemnly defined as a dogma of divine faith by the holy council of Trent,[57] and explained in the same way by all the holy Fathers and Doctors of the Church. Finally, We and Our Predecessors have often expounded it and earnestly advocated it whenever occasion offered. But recent attacks on this traditional doctrine of the Church, the danger they constitute, and the harm they do to the souls of the faithful lead Us, in fulfillment of the duties of Our charge, to take up the matter once again in this Encyclical Letter, and to reprove these errors which are so often propounded under a specious appearance of truth.
This encyclical is discussing virginity , sacred virginity. Consecrated virgins
So what exactly is the dogma of divine faith of the council of Trent. We need to read that to get the context.
Because right now, you have shown an encyclical from 1954 discussing consecrated Vocations.
Where you argument in this thread is not about consecrated Vocations. It was about celibacy in the single Unconsecrated life compared to marriage.
They are very different issues
And let’s look at what more recent Vatican councils and encyclicals say about the Sacrament of marriage compared to the unconsecrated single life
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rcwitness
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Originally, we were not to sin at all. But we do. We each have faults and cause others to suffer when we behave wrongly.
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rcwitness
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St Rita pray for our troubled marriages.
(I didn’t necessarily mean you, but any troubled marriage)
(I didn’t necessarily mean you, but any troubled marriage)
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Mboo
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sorry, but you have not read well. Look at point 6, I quote:This encyclical is from 1954.
It is discussing consecrated virgins, either consecrated female virgins, or consecrated priests.
Sacred virginity is totally independent, of religious life or priesthood. It’s a bit like saying that perfect humility was reserved only for the religious. Sacred virginity is a virtue (the highest degree of the virtue of chastity) so everyone can practice it
- And while this perfect chastity is the subject of one of the three vows which constitute the religious state,[9] and is also required by the Latin Church of clerics in major orders[10] and demanded from members of Secular Institutes,[11] it also flourishes among many who are lay people in the full sense: men and women who are not constituted in a public state of perfection and yet by private promise or vow completely abstain from marriage and sexual pleasures, in order to serve their neighbor more freely and to be united with God more easily and more closely.
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Mboo
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In point 5, he also clearly defines what is the virtue of virginity:
- Innumerable is the multitude of those who from the beginning of the Church until our time have offered their chastity to God. Some have preserved their virginity unspoiled, others after the death of their spouse, have consecrated to God their remaining years in the unmarried state, and still others, after repenting their sins, have chosen to lead a life of perfect chastity; all of them at one in this common oblation, that is, for love of God to abstain for the rest of their lives from sexual pleasure. May then what the Fathers of the Church preached about the glory and merit of virginity be an invitation, a help, and a source of strength to those who have made the sacrifice to persevere with constancy, and not take back or claim for themselves even the smallest part of >the holocaust they have laid on the altar of God
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Mboo
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In short, sacred virginity is the commitment in the future to sacrifice definitively the joys of marriage (the joys of conjugal love, and the joys of family love) for the love of God. One does not have to be a priest or a religious to make such a sacrifice, and likewise one can be a priest or a religious without making such a sacrifice.
Human love reaches its most excellent degree in the joys of marriage. Whoever is naturally attracted by these joys, but who chooses to sacrifice them for God, thus testifies to the excellence of his love for God! and it is so beautiful such a sacrifice!
St. Albert the Great went so far as to say that, for one who has true chastity, if it is said to him if he get married, he will have more grace in this world, and more glory in Heaven, he will nevertheless choose to stay single.
In fact, Jesus said that very few people understand this. And nowadays we can count with our fingertips those who have the grace to contemplate the excellence of sacred virginity.
But let us honestly admit that the present pastoral care of the Church over chastity is very far from this teaching of Pius 12, and from all the saints and doctors of the Church, who have spoken on this subject. This pastoral “hides” the truth about the excellence of virgnity.
Human love reaches its most excellent degree in the joys of marriage. Whoever is naturally attracted by these joys, but who chooses to sacrifice them for God, thus testifies to the excellence of his love for God! and it is so beautiful such a sacrifice!
St. Albert the Great went so far as to say that, for one who has true chastity, if it is said to him if he get married, he will have more grace in this world, and more glory in Heaven, he will nevertheless choose to stay single.
In fact, Jesus said that very few people understand this. And nowadays we can count with our fingertips those who have the grace to contemplate the excellence of sacred virginity.
But let us honestly admit that the present pastoral care of the Church over chastity is very far from this teaching of Pius 12, and from all the saints and doctors of the Church, who have spoken on this subject. This pastoral “hides” the truth about the excellence of virgnity.
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