Why did Jesus say "Father, why have you forsaken me?"

[po18guy]

Even the blind men recognized Jesus as “Son of David” (Matthew 20:30-31)
The Messiah was of the house and line of David. (Zechariah 12:10)
The Messiah was to be a suffering servant (Isaiah 53)
Psalm 22 is a “Psalm of David”
Our Lord’s last words on the cross were from David’s Psalm 30:6a “Into thy hands I commend my spirit”
Thus, Jesus connects the dots that run from Him to David and back to Him. He self-identifies as the Messiah, as the suffering servant prophesied by Isaiah.

 

[brierpatch1974]

He didn’t say “Father why have you…” He recited Psalm 22 which is a Psalm Jews recited when despair, trouble, sickness, pain, death and dark times were experienced. If one reads the whole Psalm, one will find that the ending of the psalm is a much different “sentiment” than the beginning of the psalm. It was a prayer used by Jews…not a statement of being forsaken by God.

This has been my bible lesson for the morning. I have never heard the reference between the two before. Gives me the chills and at the same time comfort. Its amazing how when you learn something things just click together and the understanding is very humbling.

 

[Razanir]

Jesus, is an eldest creation of God… He is not God. God made him as our Lord and Saviour, commanded by God that evry man to kneel every knee to pray and worship our lord jesus.
As a man, fear in his heart when times he suffers in torture and death to cross,
he knows that to happen and before that Jesus ask to take away the test he will be going through, but he deliver himself to God’s will. actually he has not forsaken by God, its a fullfillment to the will of God is to prove through his blood he purchase his church. He is the head of the church and the church is his body. Before he grasp his last breath he said that THIS IS ETERNAL LIFE… TO KNOW YOU THE ONLY GOD.
Righteousness of God is to whoever sinned must pay its sin. Jesus havent sinned before God, but he pays the sinned of people (His people) because in front of God the church and head is one NEW man. Cheerss… hope thats help…

John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

Nicene Creed “I believe in Jesus Christ… begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;”

(Side note: The Nicene Creed’s not copyrighted, is it? Wikipedia seems to think so)

CCC 430 “…Since God alone can forgive sins, it is God who, in Jesus his eternal Son made man, ‘will save his people from their sins’…”

CCC 464 “…Jesus Christ is true God and true man…”

CCC 469 “The Church thus confesses that Jesus is inseparably true God and true man. He is truly the Son of God who, without ceasing to be God and Lord, became a man and our brother.”

One cannot be Catholic (or even Christian) without believing Jesus IS God. So either get the facts straight about the religion you profess and go to Confession (IIRC, American priests can absolve excommunication), or tell us what religion you actually are

 

[Reuben_J]

If Jesus was God, shouldn’t he have known that God didn’t actually abandon him? Or did God actually abandon him? I feel like this is out of place, for Jesus to feel abandoned. I thought God never abandons us.

God never abandons us but sins separate us from God.

You know why Jesus hang on the cross and why he had to die. He paid for our sin with his own life. He had to bear the consequence of the sins of all humanity by himself to the end.

Perhaps it was that moment when he was about to die, the stark reality of the burden of sin was really felt by him. He was separated from the Father (not because of his sin for he is sinless but because of ours). And how sad and painful that separation was that the Lord had to cry, “Father, Father, why did you abandon me”.

There is a reason that this statement by the Lord was recorded in the Gospels and that is lest we should forget.

 

[R_C]

Jesus, is an eldest creation of God… He is not God.

Ok, first: your user name? Not humble.

Second: it is not proper for you to keep the name “Catholic” as your religion, because anyone who is Catholic and would go as far as to publicly teach this error, is not under incredulity, but may in fact be presumed to be under formal heresy (“the obstinate post-baptismal denial or doubt of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith”) and as such risks to incur into an automatic excommunication:

Code of Canon Law 1364 states that once a person willingly repudiates Christ, embraces a heresy, knowing it to be contrary to divine and Catholic faith, or refuses submission to the Roman Pontiff (or communion with the members of the Church subject to him), by virtue of the law itself they are automatically excommunicated. No ecclesiastical act is necessary and no public notice. Furthermore, in c. 1321.3 we read that “imputability is presumed whenever an external violation has occurred”.

In fact, stating that Christ isn’t God means that the very appellative “Christian” would no longer apply.

Since we are in the context of a public forum where we are anonymous users, my personal advice is to go speak to your confessor about this as soon as possible, having been made aware of the risks you are taking if you were to preach this error openly.

From a purely doctrinal standpoint, everything in Holy Scripture teaches that Christ is God, but of all things, the fact that St. Thomas calls Christ “my God” and Christ replies: “Because you have seen you have believed. Blessed are those who, without seeing, will believe.” thus blessing those who believe He is God.

 

[Isaiah45_9]

This has been my bible lesson for the morning. I have never heard the reference between the two before. Gives me the chills and at the same time comfort. Its amazing how when you learn something things just click together and the understanding is very humbling.

Yes, it is quite humbling. I still cry every time I go into this passage and the accompanying Psalm.

Peace.

 

[JesusMonSauveur]

Jesus, is an eldest creation of God… He is not God. God made him as our Lord and Saviour, commanded by God that evry man to kneel every knee to pray and worship our lord jesus.
As a man, fear in his heart when times he suffers in torture and death to cross,
he knows that to happen and before that Jesus ask to take away the test he will be going through, but he deliver himself to God’s will. actually he has not forsaken by God, its a fullfillment to the will of God is to prove through his blood he purchase his church. He is the head of the church and the church is his body. Before he grasp his last breath he said that THIS IS ETERNAL LIFE… TO KNOW YOU THE ONLY GOD.
Righteousness of God is to whoever sinned must pay its sin. Jesus havent sinned before God, but he pays the sinned of people (His people) because in front of God the church and head is one NEW man. Cheerss… hope thats help…

Jesus is GOD. He’s the second person in GOD. We have 3 people in ONE GOD, God the FATHER, God the SON (Jesus) God the HOLY SPIRIT, that the mystery of the TRINITY.

 

[ConstantineTG]

One exegesis I listened to states that this was the last act of Christ who gave everything up for humanity. At this point he also gave up His Father and His mother (remember he gave Mary over to John). While this does not mean a literal severance of the Second Person of the Trinity from the First, it is the symbolic complete emptying of self and offering everything He has for the life of the world.

 

[Sultan_Of_Swing]

Would the Jews really have been shocked or understood Jesus’ reference?

I mean, if Psalm 22 was what Jesus was trying to get across, it doesn’t seem like the Jews really got it.

After Jesus says it, the Jews (or at least some of them) thought He was calling for Elijah!! Did they not understand Aramaic?

 

[Gorgias]

Would the Jews really have been shocked or understood Jesus’ reference?

I mean, if Psalm 22 was what Jesus was trying to get across, it doesn’t seem like the Jews really got it.

After Jesus says it, the Jews (or at least some of them) thought He was calling for Elijah!! Did they not understand Aramaic?

Are you sure that the Bible says that it was Jews who said “he’s calling for Elijah!”…? I seem to recall that it’s just ‘bystanders’ who say that. Given that the scribes and Pharisees don’t want to be anywhere near a dead body for fear of ritual impurity, I think it’s not a stretch to say that the bystanders were Romans or soldiers…

 

[patrick457]

Would the Jews really have been shocked or understood Jesus’ reference?

I mean, if Psalm 22 was what Jesus was trying to get across, it doesn’t seem like the Jews really got it.

After Jesus says it, the Jews (or at least some of them) thought He was calling for Elijah!! Did they not understand Aramaic?

As Gorgias said, the ‘bystanders’ weren’t necessarily Jews. After all “one of them” offered Jesus the sour wine, which I doubt any ol’ heckler could have done with the soldiers guarding the condemned.

Basing myself on Mark’s version however I’ll say that the misunderstanding motif is deliberate. Throughout Mark’s gospel the theme of misunderstanding and blindness pops up often (it is in fact a core theme of the gospel), and this incident is no exception. The Markan Jesus is a misunderstood figure throughout the story.