Why did Luther remove the biblical books he did?

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I could tell you what Luther DIDN’T want to do…
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He didn’t want to start up a new church, which would devolve into 100’s of churches (I know 37,000 has been quoted, but I’m aware of over 100 major denominations. That’s way too much, wouldn’t you agree?).

But as they say, **Number one rule **when you make a deal with the devil: You Don’t. This is not to say that Luther made a deal with the devil. But he was swept up by groups of people with a bigger agenda (in their minds).
 
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Originally Posted by NotWorthy forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_cad/viewpost.gif
I could tell you what Luther DIDN’T want to do…

He didn’t want to start up a new church, which would devolve into 100’s of churches (I know 37,000 has been quoted, but I’m aware of over 100 major denominations. That’s way too much, wouldn’t you agree?).

But as they say, **Number one rule **when you make a deal with the devil: You Don’t. This is not to say that Luther made a deal with the devil. But he was swept up by groups of people with a bigger agenda (in their minds).
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If the devil’s hands can be seen in the reformation, they can be seen moving people on both sides to swell up with pride. if the Council had taken place earlier (In Luther’s life time) we might not be having this conversation.
really as a RC you should be greatful for what Luther did. didn’t it lead to the RC church purging some of the abuses Luther protested about?

I am curious, what part of the 95 do you NOT agree with?
 
PROTESTANT OLD TESTAMENT
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 I understand that the Protestant Old Testament is the same as the one the Jews use. In many old Protestant Bibles - especially large pulpit-size ones - the apocryphal books are squeezed between the Old and New Testaments.

  Did I just read this weekend in the press that the Vatican is thinking of re-thinking Luther and perhaps recognizing his just gripes? That will be interesting after centuries of condemning him as some sort of evil, renegade priest who violated his ordination vows and, like Satan, led a rebellion against the One True Church! 

  It's time that Catholics, Protestants, and Orthodox stop this foolishness that makes Christ grieve and work together as fellow Christians. Doctrinal and liturgical unity are not essential. I believe it was John Wesley who said 'think and let think' and 'if you love God as I love God, take my hand.'
 
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If the devil’s hands can be seen in the reformation, they can be seen moving people on both sides to swell up with pride.
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First of all, I said the devil comment was an analogy.

But, do you realize that you just said the Reformation WAS the work of the devil.
if the Council had taken place earlier (In Luther’s life time) we might not be having this conversation.
really as a RC you should be greatful for what Luther did. didn’t it lead to the RC church purging some of the abuses Luther protested about?
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Well, it all depends on how you say it. The Church wasn’t teaching anything wrong. Individuals in the Church were abusing some practices, if I remember correctly.
I am curious, what part of the 95 do you NOT agree with?
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First, do you think all 95 are right?
 
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  Did I just read this weekend in the press that the Vatican is thinking of re-thinking Luther and perhaps recognizing his just gripes? That will be interesting after centuries of condemning him as some sort of evil, renegade priest who violated his ordination vows and, like Satan, led a rebellion against the One True Church! '
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really:eek: , where did you read that?
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  It's time that Catholics, Protestants, and Orthodox stop this foolishness that makes Christ grieve and work together as fellow Christians. Doctrinal and liturgical unity are not essential. I believe it was John Wesley who said 'think and let think' and 'if you love God as I love God, take my hand.'
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Well said:thumbsup:
 
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But, do you realize that you just said the Reformation WAS the work of the devil.
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I said IF, my point was that the reformation was not a one sided affair.
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Well, it all depends on how you say it. The Church wasn’t teaching anything wrong. Individuals in the Church were abusing some practices, if I remember correctly.
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Ok maybe the Church was not offically 😉 teaching anything wrong, but when Luther pointed out the abuses he was basiclly told know your place and get back in line.
Was Tetzel a heretic? Was he allowed to remain in the dominican order?
 
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I said IF, my point was that the reformation was not a one sided affair.
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I’m sorry, I was late and in a hurry this morning (funny, I got Daylight Savings Time, I just forget to set my alarm). I missed the “if” in your statement.

Mea Culpa
Ok maybe the Church was not offically 😉 teaching anything wrong, but when Luther pointed out the abuses he was basiclly told know your place and get back in line.
Was Tetzel a heretic? Was he allowed to remain in the dominican order?
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The more I think of the 95 points, the more I realize that this needs another thread. If you start one, please PM an invite to me.

Later Edited:* Ah, I see. I was more worried that you might think I was saying Luther made a deal with the devil. I didn’t want to imply that at all.*
 
NotWorthy said:
I was late and in a hurry this morning (funny, I got Daylight Savings Time
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you and me both:rolleyes:
NotWorthy said:
more I think of the 95 points, the more I realize that this needs another thread. If you start one, please PM an invite to me.

Later Edited:* Ah, I see. I was more worried that you might think I was saying Luther made a deal with the devil. I didn’t want to imply that at all.*
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ok
 
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it has always been my understanding the books listed above were added, at the Council of Trent, after Luthers death!!:eek:🙂
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But just saying “Sorry your’e wrong” still isn’t the proof… solid proof… 😛
 
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