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SpiritFire
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Hi.
I am rather confused. I feel the church is in need of a liturgical reform, not as a whole, but more locally, say, in the United States.
And not a reform to the new. To go back to our tradition, reverence, and authority in the Most Holy Liturgy. To weed out liturgical abuses.
So : Why did Pius XII reform the rites and liturgy of Holy Week, Triduum and Easter?
There seems no great reason to me. Easter Vigil, granted, was restored, but why did he have to change a thousand year old Mass? I can look at a SACRAMENTARY FROM THE NINTH CENTURY and find that most of the material identical to a Pre-Pius XII Missal. Not
so with even the EF, much less OF.
It seems like these beautiful, very long liturgies (vigils), with all the readings, prayers, exorcisms and blessings, chant, incense, baptism, etc. were first rather drastically changed, abbreviated and stripped of all solemn ritual and beautiful, sanctifying formulas. (Maybe not quite so bad as that
)
And to put it in perspective, this is basically the length of a normal Eastern liturgy.
Couldn’t we have stayed true to our liturgy? I am speaking mainly of the Holy Saturday (easter vigil) liturgy. I mean, we don’t love God and his church enough to listen to 9 readings? Much less twelve?
Would people have thought it was so boring to spare 3 and a half hours of their life each year on Easter night performing something so holy and powerful?
I feel there has been so much “mass for the people” spirit, and cutting back, that “people for the Mass” is becoming lost. The Mass is something Jesus does, not the people.
I don’t think Vatican II was necessarily a disaster. But what the people did in response
to the “loosening up”, if you will was very wrong. (Getting rid of all Latin, for instance. And Yes, this is not completely true)
Where is the Church going with the implementation of the new translation? Will anything change besides the words of the Mass? I hope so.
Sorry for the long post. Thanks for reading. I hope anyone who has insights into this will share them!
Peace be with you! (and with me
)
I am rather confused. I feel the church is in need of a liturgical reform, not as a whole, but more locally, say, in the United States.
And not a reform to the new. To go back to our tradition, reverence, and authority in the Most Holy Liturgy. To weed out liturgical abuses.
So : Why did Pius XII reform the rites and liturgy of Holy Week, Triduum and Easter?
There seems no great reason to me. Easter Vigil, granted, was restored, but why did he have to change a thousand year old Mass? I can look at a SACRAMENTARY FROM THE NINTH CENTURY and find that most of the material identical to a Pre-Pius XII Missal. Not
so with even the EF, much less OF.
It seems like these beautiful, very long liturgies (vigils), with all the readings, prayers, exorcisms and blessings, chant, incense, baptism, etc. were first rather drastically changed, abbreviated and stripped of all solemn ritual and beautiful, sanctifying formulas. (Maybe not quite so bad as that
And to put it in perspective, this is basically the length of a normal Eastern liturgy.
Couldn’t we have stayed true to our liturgy? I am speaking mainly of the Holy Saturday (easter vigil) liturgy. I mean, we don’t love God and his church enough to listen to 9 readings? Much less twelve?
Would people have thought it was so boring to spare 3 and a half hours of their life each year on Easter night performing something so holy and powerful?
I feel there has been so much “mass for the people” spirit, and cutting back, that “people for the Mass” is becoming lost. The Mass is something Jesus does, not the people.
I don’t think Vatican II was necessarily a disaster. But what the people did in response
to the “loosening up”, if you will was very wrong. (Getting rid of all Latin, for instance. And Yes, this is not completely true)
Where is the Church going with the implementation of the new translation? Will anything change besides the words of the Mass? I hope so.
Sorry for the long post. Thanks for reading. I hope anyone who has insights into this will share them!
Peace be with you! (and with me