Why did the angels rebel if they were absolutely sure they cant win?

[AlienAngel]

Good post. Yeah also the fallen angels were not forgiven because they were more aware of what they were doing than mankind. When lucifer rebelled, he didn’t have anyone to influence him to rebel, there was no rebellion or evil one before him so that right there makes his rebellion a totally different level than mankind’s fall. Also mankind fell because of being influenced/tricked by lucifer to disobey. If it wasn’t for lucifer, Adam & Eve would have stayed in obedience. So that’s why God sent Jesus to die for our sins and why we have forgiveness, because mankind was influenced/tricked into into disobedience.

Great reply, thank you. It clears things up for me

 

[AlienAngel]

By now, answers and questions here seem to be a totally new topic - far off rebellious Angels, now turning to Jesus Himself.

He who asks for evidence, is well advised not to believe (whatever he questions) at all; here as to “How is St. Faustina’s visits known to be true?” He, as we all will see one day anyhow.
And yes, Jesus in Person did see other humans, and even many of them. See the biography e.g. of one out of many:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marguerite_Marie_Alacoque

How many do you know of? Could you name ten? or five? What do you mean “He who asks for evidence, is well advised not to believe (whatever he questions) at all”?? Does the Church have an official statement regarding the validity of St. Faustina or Marguerite Marie Alacoque?

 

[Skye_Ariel]

A few thoughts in no particular order:

1. I think the best explanation I have ever come across regarding the fall of the angels is that the angels fell when they refused to subordinate their personal good (the greatness due to them individually based on the nature they were created with) to the common good of God’s eternal plan of salvation (Th Incarnation of the Word, which would, for the greatness of God entering creation, force the angels to forgo their personal position and worship God made Man). The ability to sin arose because thought they saw their personal good wholly, they did not see how the Incarnation was, although a common good, also better for them. They could know the Incarnation without knowing sin because you can know an effect without knowing its proximate cause.

2. The angelic intellect is such that it cannot revoke a choice once made. Men have matter. That effects our emotions, how we know the world, our ability to make choices and think. For example, a lack of brain development impedes an infant’s ability to do calculus, coupled with a lack of motor skills and education. Angels do not learn first from matter and do not have intellects so bound to matter that they have that kind of changability in their nature. The only potential they have is for a further intellectual act which supersedes their natural act based in their nature, and that is beatitude. This “not God” aspect of their nature is what allowed the potential to fall. However, because the do not have matter, at the moment of choice they have no natural possibility of changing their mind. I also think it is their nature which rules out a supernatural potential to change.

I like that explanation!

 

[Ion]

I don’t think the rebel angels made an intellectual choice, based on reason.
I think it was more like “love at first thought-sight”, holywood style; they thought it, loved it, and they can’t let it go…Now, tell somebody who is in love, he’s ugly…

 

[Skye_Ariel]

i don’t think the rebel angels made an intellectual choice, based on reason.
I think it was more like “love at first thought-sight”, holywood style; they thought it, loved it, and they can’t let it go…now, tell somebody who is in love, he’s ugly…

lol! :d