Why did the Council of Trent deny 3 and 4 Esdras and the Prayer of Mannaseh Canonical status?

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Just curious if anyone knows why these were put in an appendix to the Latin Vulgate whereas they reaffirmed all of the other disputed Deuterocanonical books?
 
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I would add some background info on the Vulgate itself. While popular imagination thinks that St. Jerome translated the whole Bible, in reality the a good deal of Vulgate Old Testament (mostly the books of the Hebrew protocanon) and the gospels are the only ones we can be reasonably certain are his work. Jerome had originally set out, under orders from Pope Damasus I in 382, to revise the Old Latin (Vetus Latina) text of the four gospels from the best Greek texts available to him; at the same…
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Just curious if anyone knows why these were put in an appendix to the Latin Vulgate whereas they reaffirmed all of the other disputed Deuterocanonical books?
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I read somewhere that the Council of Trent Fathers wanted 3 & 4 Esdras included in the appendix of the new Vulgate bible being published, “lest they utterly perish.”

The last English translation of the Vulgate, (meaning the Douay/Rheims) that included 3 & 4 Esdras (and the prayer of Manasses) was the Cousturier Printing of 1635. Bishop Challoner, when revising the D/R Bible in 1750 left them out, and consequently, they never appeared again in a D/R Bible. The Old King James Bible (through the 19th century) continued to include them in their own Apocrypha (as 1 & 2 Esdras) Therefore the easiest way to get those texts is to locate a KJV Bible with the Apocrypha!
 
One of my RSV "with apocrapha " contains those and Psalm 151 and a few others. Quite interesting reading.

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Stephie
 
Oh yah my nrsv does as well as 3 and 4 Maccabees. They appear in common bibles that are meant to be able to be used by Protestabt, Anglican, Catholic, and Orthodox. Those extra books not found in Catholic Bibles do have some canonical status in Orthodox Churches. I actually always likes 4 Maccabees it goes into further detail about the seven brothers who were matryd. 3 Maccabees is kind of a strange story with the king wanting to stampede the Jews with drunken elephants but hey some books are just like that
 
"Repentance was not necessary for Abraham, Issac, and Jacob, for they did not sin against you. Manasseh verse 8. If you stop and think, all have sinned in Adam, we have Original Sin. Also these saintly Old Testament figures would have had some personal sins. So this passage would be untrue! Perhaps this is one of the reasons for its rejection.
 
I feel like yah you make a good point. But most books if you really look at it critically will have something in it that goes from the belief … That’s just my opinion.
 
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