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I would also like to hear your history lesson.Hhaha,are you sure???
I would also like to hear your history lesson.Hhaha,are you sure???
well where do you want to start? old Europe,Africa,Asia(Philippines)?I would also like to hear your history lesson.
Let’s see your old Europe and spare me any of the heresies.well where do you want to start? old Europe,Africa,Asia(Philippines)?
Muslim sister, is this guy popular in the Muslim world? Personally, I’m not in the least persuaded by his testimony. He actually comes across as too ignorant. How can you not know what Islam is and profess in religion? I don’t even know how you can pass the 9th grade without knowing what Islam is… How can you profess in a Biblical setting without even knowing why we use the doctrine of the trinity? Messiah is called God in Isaiah 9:6, Holy Spirit is even in the second verse of Genesis, God speaks in plural when He says, “come, let Us make man in Our image.” In the OT, the Holy Spirit is able to be offended, like a person. God’s divinity is revealed through Jesus Christ. The early Hebrews didn’t have a full understadning of the divine concepts of heaven, hell, demons, angels, ect. I’m surpised he professed as an evangelist and is completely ignorant to all of this. He doesn’t even understand different versions of the Bible and the importance of scholorly work. As I’ve said, I’m amazed by his ignorance. We’re ll ignorant to somethings… But you really shouldn’t profess in what you’re ignorant in…Thats true,most fo the converts that i know are much more religious then muslims that are born as muslims…even after 10 years.Today some of them are missionaries
One famous american missionary is Yusuf Estes,before he used to be an evangelical pastor,his father was also a pastor(his whole family were “born again” christians)…his father and mother also converted to islam,its an amazing life story,i recommend you to read about him
islamtomorrow.com/yusuf/priests_n_preachers.htm
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7657333391410735923&pr=goog-sl#
Of all the half-truths spouted in this website, the part citing the Our Father is the hardest to swallow. He states that Muslims believe every word of the Our Father except for calling God, Father. I would think the part, “thy Will be done on earth as it is in Heaven” would be hard for Muslims to follow if in fact drinking alcohol and fornication outside of marriage are sin on earth though they are free to do so in Heaven. It seems this man did not have a strong grasp on his own faith before he gave it up for Islam.Additionally, we find Jesus, peace be upon him, teaching his disciples to pray like this, “Our Father in Heaven, Hallowed be Thy Name, Thy Kingdom come, Thy Will be done on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from all evil. For Thine is the Kingdom and the Power and Glory, forever and ever, ameen.” Every Muslim I have met accepts every single word of this pray with the exception of calling “Allah” our “Father.” Muslims consider it better to call on Almighty God by His Names, which we do consider to be “Hallowed.”
This is a similar response I’ve seen from Muslims, Mormons, JW’s, etc. They convert to these false religions because they have an easier understanding of God. It’s like all these religions are putting God in a box - limiting His awesomeness and mysterious Trinity. I feel sorry for these people who can’t take that God is beyond what any human can fully understand.I converted to Islam because its theology was moreorless what I already believed (I believed in God but did not accept Christian doctrines of the Trinity, Divine Incarnation or Atonement). I was overwhelmed by the reading the Qur’an and quite quickly decided it was of God. I also greatly admired the Prophet Muhammad upon reading about his life and have tried (and failed) ever since to live up to his example as best I can.
Why were these Christian doctrines hard for you to accept? Why did you decide so quickly that the Qu’ran was of God? Do you believe the Bible still? If so, what parts? Do you have a good understanding of the Bible? What did you admire about the life of the prophet Muhammed? How are you supposed to spell Muhammed in the first place? Seriously: Mohammed, Muhammed, Muhammad… ?I converted to Islam because its theology was moreorless what I already believed (I believed in God but did not accept Christian doctrines of the Trinity, Divine Incarnation or Atonement). I was overwhelmed by the reading the Qur’an and quite quickly decided it was of God. I also greatly admired the Prophet Muhammad upon reading about his life and have tried (and failed) ever since to live up to his example as best I can.
Mike, now is not the time to pity someone else’s conclusions about God based on what could very well be a misrepresentation of that conclusion due to lack of information. Just go pray for him for now.This is a similar response I’ve seen from Muslims, Mormons, JW’s, etc. They convert to these false religions because they have an easier understanding of God. It’s like all these religions are putting God in a box - limiting His awesomeness and mysterious Trinity. I feel sorry for these people who can’t take that God is beyond what any human can fully understand.

Because they’re illogical, alien to the Abrahamic tradition and most likely concocted in a futile attempt to create an internal consistency to the New Testament.Why were these Christian doctrines hard for you to accept?
Because it proclaims itself to be the Word of God. It speaks to you directly with incredible power, pushes you into questioning your beliefs, traditions and to ponder on creation, inviting you to come to the worship of God.Why did you decide so quickly that the Qu’ran was of God?
I believe the Bible to be flawed and manmade text yet still containing some truth. My knowledge of it is probably average.Do you believe the Bible still? If so, what parts? Do you have a good understanding of the Bible?
His total commitment to his cause despite overwhelming pressure to give up. His courage in the face of persecution and death. His great personal integrity throughout his life, the mercy he showed his enemies by not taking revenge on anyone. His belief in and his implementation of social justice. His respect for others and taking their opinions into consideration regardless of their status.What did you admire about the life of the prophet Muhammed? How are you supposed to spell Muhammed in the first place? Seriously: Mohammed, Muhammed, Muhammad… ?
Why are they illogical? And are they REALLY contrary to the faith of Abraham? I think this is a question best answered with hip-hop. Check this out:Because they’re illogical, alien to the Abrahamic tradition and most likely concocted in a futile attempt to create an internal consistency to the New Testament.
.Because it proclaims itself to be the Word of God. It speaks to you directly with incredible power, pushes you into questioning your beliefs, traditions and to ponder on creation, inviting you to come to the worship of God
Where do you believe the Bible to be flawed? Why do you believe it to be flawed?I believe the Bible to be flawed and manmade text yet still containing some truth. My knowledge of it is probably average.
Could you give me some examples of his integrity? His mercy? Or when he takes other’s beliefs into consideration?His total commitment to his cause despite overwhelming pressure to give up. His courage in the face of persecution and death. His great personal integrity throughout his life, the mercy he showed his enemies by not taking revenge on anyone. His belief in and his implementation of social justice. His respect for others and taking their opinions into consideration regardless of their status.
Thank you.I think Muhammad is the best spelling. I don’t think it really matters though.
That’s another thing I just don’t understand. How is Islam a step up from Christianity? One thing Islam doesn’t have is prophecy:My wife converted to Islam because in her own words “it’s the next step up from Christianity” a lot of the values she grew up with in Catholicism are also present in Islam. She didn’t grow spiritually in Christianity and she never really understood how Jesus can be God. In her mind God the father is a separate personality than Jesus. It was then easy to accept Islam once she overcame the misconceptions and stereotypes.
Its unfortunate that I listened to three videos and really don’t see a whole lot of substance in their argument against Christianity or they won’t even mention what it was that took them away from the Church, just that “it was confusing.”You can watch a lot of videos here where newly converts to Islam discusses why they have converted to Islam.
thedeenshow.com/show.php?action=guest&id=20
Fortunately Christians are generally more educated than Moslems (in Western par of Indonesia), so they have greater bargaining position to the government, so the hard-line Moslems are not so easily to force their intention…Yet when the Muslims are the minority in other countries, they demand to have their mosques built - a little ironic.