Why didn't God create Eve first?

  • Thread starter Thread starter triumphguy
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
T

triumphguy

Guest
Couple of questions:
  • Why didn’t God create Eve first? (As mother she could have given birth to Adam)
  • What difference to subsequent theology would it have made if Eve was created first by God.
I’ve got some ideas of my own, but thought I;d just toss the question out first.
 
Im not so sure. God works in mysterious… and alphabetical ways :confused:
 
Couple of questions:
  • Why didn’t God create Eve first? (As mother she could have given birth to Adam)
  • What difference to subsequent theology would it have made if Eve was created first by God.
I’ve got some ideas of my own, but thought I;d just toss the question out first.
The Bible itself is clear on this. Man was created to glorify God. Woman was created to help man. Paul repeats this in 1 Cor.: man is the glory of God, and woman the glory of man.
 
God created Eve first, but told her to make Adam think he was created first. :D:D:D

Yes, this one’s from a feminist joke 😊
 
Couple of questions:
  • Why didn’t God create Eve first? (As mother she could have given birth to Adam)
  • What difference to subsequent theology would it have made if Eve was created first by God.
I’ve got some ideas of my own, but thought I;d just toss the question out first.
Here’s an interesting article that touches on your question:

the-catholic-patriot.blogspot.com/2007/03/god-male-or-female.html

As to why God created Adam first…I’d say it must represent some eternal Truth about His nature that woman was “drawn out of” man, instead of the other way around. I’m not sure what that Truth is yet, but nothing God did was an accident…

So IOW, I don’t think Eve could have given birth to Adam, because that’s not the way God designed things. Remember that it’s not as if once upon a time God didn’t have a plan and then subsequently thought of one. The plan for creation has existed from all eternity because it is literally within God’s nature.
 
I dunno - My wife use to have a plaque hanging up in the laundry room that said…

God created man
Then he had a better idea

Of course sine she no longer does laundry the plague is now gone…😉

I’m sure you knew this thread was going to attract jokes…

Peace
James
 
I just looked in my brand new copy of the Summa Theologica (birthday present), and St Thomas says this:

“It was necessary for woman to be made, as the Scripture says, as a “helper” to man; not, indeed, as a helpmate in other works, as some say, since man can be more efficiently helped by another man in other works; but as a helper in the work of procreation.”

…and this:

"When all things were first formed, it was more suitable for the woman to be made from man that (for the female to be from the male) in other animals. First, in order thus to give the first man a certain dignity consisting in this, that as God is the principle of the whole universe, so the first man, in likeness to God, was the principle of the whole human race. Wherefore Paul says that “God made the whole human race from one” (Acts 17:26). Secondly, that man might love woman all the more, and cleave to her more closely, knowing her to be fashioned from himself. Hence it is written (Gn. 2:23,24): “She was taken out of man, wherefore a man shall leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife.” This was most necessary as regards the human race, in which the male and female live together for life; which is not the case with other animals. Thirdly, because, as the Philosopher says (Ethic. viii, 12), the human male and female are united, not only for generation, as with other animals, but also for the purpose of domestic life, in which each has his or her particular duty, and in which the man is the head of the woman. Wherefore it was suitable for the woman to be made out of man, as out of her principle. Fourthly, there is a sacramental reason for this. For by this is signified that the Church takes her origin from Christ. Wherefore the Apostle says (Eph. 5:32): “This is a great sacrament; but I speak in Christ and in the Church.”

…and just in case that second quote sounds too sexist (which it’s not meant to be), St Thomas also says this:

“It was right for the woman to be made from a rib of man. First, to signify the social union of man and woman, for the woman should neither “use authority over man,” and so she was not made from his head; nor was it right for her to be subject to man’s contempt as his slave, and so she was not made from his feet. Secondly, for the sacramental signification; for from the side of Christ sleeping on the Cross the Sacraments flowed—namely, blood and water—on which the Church was established.”

It’s all under Question 92, at this link: ccel.org/ccel/aquinas/summa.toc.html

Hope that helps.
 
So that he could allow man to experience loneliness first, and therefore, cherish the wife God created just for him? That was always my line of thinking anyway…

Imagine how beautiful Eve must have been to Adam. The joy that husbands experience on their wedding night must pale in comparison to that first encounter between Adam and Eve. She was an entirely new creature that God had made just for him. Would that not inspire awe and gratitude?

I think it is good for married couples to adopt a similar attitude about their spouses, too.
 
Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda, HO-HUM! Adam (man) was created first. Thats Holy Writ…live with it!
 
God didn’t create “Eve” or “Adam” at all…

(Prepares self for flame war)
 
Couple of questions:
  • Why didn’t God create Eve first? (As mother she could have given birth to Adam)
  • What difference to subsequent theology would it have made if Eve was created first by God.
I’ve got some ideas of my own, but thought I;d just toss the question out first.
God did not want to be nagged, so He created Adam first, so there would be someone for Eve to nag instead of God…at least that’s how the story was told to me. 🙂
 
From what I understand we are to believe that we come from two parents, that they were united in a unique way (marriage), and that sin entered the world through Adam(not Eve). This knowledge helps us to understand why we needed Jesus to come to redeem us. However, the creation events should not be taken literally. There may come a time when science clearly points to the first person being a woman. Some already believe this.

Edited to Add: What do we learn from Adam coming first in creation? I don’t think that that is the point. I think that it is not about order but to show that it is not good for man to be alone. So we first read that Adam is alone and lonely and we see why there is a need for companionship. Eve coming from Adam shows that they are the same(in that they’re both human) and the close bond of marriage. Way to wordy, I hope this makes sense.🤷
 
and did he have male parts at first? or were they added after Eve?
there would have been no need before Eve right?
🤷

maybe a new thread…
 
and did he have male parts at first? or were they added after Eve?
there would have been no need before Eve right?
🤷

maybe a new thread…
Well if he was eatting I’m sure he needed to pee too 😉
 
I just looked in my brand new copy of the Summa Theologica (birthday present), and St Thomas says this:

“It was necessary for woman to be made, as the Scripture says, as a “helper” to man; not, indeed, as a helpmate in other works, as some say, since man can be more efficiently helped by another man in other works; but as a helper in the work of procreation.”

…and this:

"When all things were first formed, it was more suitable for the woman to be made from man that (for the female to be from the male) in other animals. First, in order thus to give the first man a certain dignity consisting in this, that as God is the principle of the whole universe, so the first man, in likeness to God, was the principle of the whole human race. Wherefore Paul says that “God made the whole human race from one” (Acts 17:26). Secondly, that man might love woman all the more, and cleave to her more closely, knowing her to be fashioned from himself. Hence it is written (Gn. 2:23,24): “She was taken out of man, wherefore a man shall leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife.” This was most necessary as regards the human race, in which the male and female live together for life; which is not the case with other animals. Thirdly, because, as the Philosopher says (Ethic. viii, 12), the human male and female are united, not only for generation, as with other animals, but also for the purpose of domestic life, in which each has his or her particular duty, and in which the man is the head of the woman. Wherefore it was suitable for the woman to be made out of man, as out of her principle. Fourthly, there is a sacramental reason for this. For by this is signified that the Church takes her origin from Christ. Wherefore the Apostle says (Eph. 5:32): “This is a great sacrament; but I speak in Christ and in the Church.”

…and just in case that second quote sounds too sexist (which it’s not meant to be), St Thomas also says this:

“It was right for the woman to be made from a rib of man. First, to signify the social union of man and woman, for the woman should neither “use authority over man,” and so she was not made from his head; nor was it right for her to be subject to man’s contempt as his slave, and so she was not made from his feet. Secondly, for the sacramental signification; for from the side of Christ sleeping on the Cross the Sacraments flowed—namely, blood and water—on which the Church was established.”

It’s all under Question 92, at this link: ccel.org/ccel/aquinas/summa.toc.html

Hope that helps.
Right on! 👍 Also note 1 Corinthians 11:3.

[BIBLEDRB]1 Corinthians 11:3[/BIBLEDRB]

In short, Adam was made first and then Eve was made from Adam’s rib because God intends the husband to have a certain headship in marriage. Also for this reason, St. Paul goes on to say in 1 Cor. chapter 11 that women must cover their heads when worshiping because the glory of their head is the man, but men must uncover their heads when worshiping because the glory of their head is Christ. For this reason, the custom of women wearing veils to Mass existed from the early Church but now is usually only preserved in traditional Catholic churches. Note though, that, as St. Thomas Aquinas pointed out, God never intended for women to be subject to men so much that they effectively become chattels or slaves, even though this has unfortunately occurred throughout history. Women are just as much members of the mystical Body of Christ as men, are equally loved by God, and will ultimately be judged on the same premises. Therefore, while feminism is certainly opposed to the Catholic faith, sexism is equally opposed to the Catholic faith.
 
What difference to subsequent theology would it have made if Eve was created first by God.
1 Cor 15:21 – For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man.

If Eve was created first, then Jesus would have to be the Daughter of God not the Son of God for an equivalent analogy to hold. :twocents:
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top