Why didn't God just give Hitler a heart attack?

[Gaber]

By comparison with my post above, there is supposed to have been about 20 assassination attempts on American presidents in total, of which four were successful, with rumours about another two possibilities.

That’s an average of one successful assassination for five plots.

Hitler outlived over 40 plots. He had protection. And to be honest, I think there’s some sort of arrangement between God and the devil about who can be touched and when eg. Job - all fine till God let the Devil kill his children, servants and livestock, and then inflict him with boils from head to toe, but wasn’t allowed to kill him.

And I think a similar agreement applies to the devil’s people.

Sometimes I wonder about this game they’re playing. I’m not sure I like it much.

Why does anyone ascribe good and evil to God? Or Satan?Because of human interpretations of likes and dislikes about suvival, pain, and suffering (the las two not being identical.) This is one of the ways we make “God” in our own image an likeness. In a sense, they are both equally made up, or there wouldn’t be this specualtion about responsibility. Whatever God is, that is hidden behind a cloud of thoughts about God. Same with Satan. Our thoughts about Satan hide what Satan actually is, and in what context. What if all this is a non-issue to God? I think all this angst we have about good and evil is for us to get past as either good or evil. It is a kind of koan: “It seems to be, therefore what am I?” Maybe it is a matter of ceasing to argue with reality and discovering soul as it is, not as we theorize about it. Remember, just having a definition means what?

 

[Bob_Crowley]

Since you’re new, and an atheist by the sound of it, I’ll tell you what I’ve often related on this site before viz. the night my own father died, he appeared in my room. He started with an apology for years of cruelty, we argued and conversed, and at the end he gave this terrific scream and disappeared. The scream was so terrifying I started to scream myself.

And I was an atheist at that time.

I’ve had a heap of other spiritual experiences as well. Rest assured, God and the devil exist, and they have a lot of power.

Christ existed, and was a real figure in history. The church isn’t based on a myth.

 

[Frankenfurter]

To the OP

It is a rational question you pose. I choose to learn from it. Something to learn about the nature of God. He COULD have done what you suggest, but he didn’t. Now i know something more about God.

 

[Qoeleth]

Why didn’t God give Pharaoh a heart attack?

Whether you want to believe it or not Hitler and his evil wanted Israel (Jews) to be completely wiped out of existence but instead Israel was brought back into existence and guess where - in the promised land!

Now isn’t that amazing!
God truly has his hand in everything.

I’m pretty sure God did not want to create an aggressive terror state.

Remember the Gospel of Matthew:
When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found such great faith, no, not in Israel. And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[Uriah_Betrayed]

I’m pretty sure God did not want to create an aggressive terror state.

I must have missed the report when Israel started kidnapping Arabs and cutting their heads off on video…

 

[abucs]

Since you’re new, and an atheist by the sound of it, I’ll tell you what I’ve often related on this site before viz. the night my own father died, he appeared in my room. He started with an apology for years of cruelty, we argued and conversed, and at the end he gave this terrific scream and disappeared. The scream was so terrifying I started to scream myself.

And I was an atheist at that time.

I’ve had a heap of other spiritual experiences as well. Rest assured, God and the devil exist, and they have a lot of power.

Christ existed, and was a real figure in history. The church isn’t based on a myth.

Hello Bob,

could you provide a link which describes your story in more detail? Thanks.

 

[abucs]

Actually, it is not ‘justice’ which demands anything. In your view of things, it is God who decides what is just, so it is he who decides what is demanded, and he who decided not to do it. Very odd, from my view of things.

Hello Hokomai.

When we say that God decides truth or justice, it is really that God is truth and justice. It is not as if he is sitting somewhere saying “hang on, let me think about this for a while.”

It is like light and darkness. The darkness is allowed because free will is allowed. It is a human stage where light and darkness exist together as we would choose.

Matthew 13:24-30

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[PeterGStanley]

I’m pretty sure God did not want to create an aggressive terror state.

Remember the Gospel of Matthew:
When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found such great faith, no, not in Israel. And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

I never said God did but obviously things will change there as the Church teaches.

Remember the CCC 674

674 The glorious Messiah’s coming is suspended at every moment of history until his recognition by “all Israel”, for “a hardening has come upon part of Israel” in their “unbelief” toward Jesus.569 St. Peter says to the Jews of Jerusalem after Pentecost: "Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus, whom heaven must receive until the time for establishing all that God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets from of old."570 St. Paul echoes him: "For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead?"571 The “full inclusion” of the Jews in the Messiah’s salvation, in the wake of “the full number of the Gentiles”,572 will enable the People of God to achieve “the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ”, in which “God may be all in all”.573

Many will come to believe at that appointed time as the Church teaches - unless its talking about some other Israel.

 

[carguy]

We are free to make our own choice, and we man not know that we are in fact falling prey to Satan and his tricks, because a person doesn’t believe they are real. People always seem to forget the place Satan has in his evil doing and human evil doing. I hope and pray that all those how have not been saved do learn, but then again I believe in a merciful God so maybe those that are not true believes, but didn’t do true evil will get lucky and be forgiven, but if they follow the devil they may not know what they are doing, but they are doing it none the less. God bless that is just my feeling on the matter of evil in the world, coming from someone that is by far no saint.

 

[nordskoven]

At Fatima in 1917, Our Lady fully warned us of the errors of Russia which, barring the requested consecration to her Immaculate Heart, would not be converted; and would annihilate nations. May the Lord give us ears to hear. Russia signed a non-aggression pact with wildly warlike Japan and Germany, hoping to scoop up the spoils after the world was in ashes. Russia would have effected slaughter with our without Hitler; and has done so with millions having died from her derivative errors, including Communism that started starving millions of Ukraine Catholics before the Holocaust; and abortion-on-demand including training and financing MS Magazine’s Gloria Steinem; and spreading nuclear terror selling nuclear material to Iran, and building Chernobyl-type nuclear reactors with no containment vessel as in Cuba…Spread devotion to the Immaculate Heart and start with examining your heart for purity of intent.

Pray the daily Rosary for peace as she counseled; and pray for the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart by Peter, in union with all bishops; at one time; in a solemn, public ceremony for the conversion of that nation and as “the only means to a period of peace.” Perform the 5 First Saturdays of Reparation to the Immaculate Heart–Confession (at least within the octave) Mass and 15 minutes in prayer after Mass solacing her Immaculate Heart. If the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart had been done in 1929 as requested, no starving Kulaks, no incinerated millions under Hitler; no atomic bomb; no Killing Fields in Cambodia and no millions of aborted babies. So God gave us an option, as a Church and personally. Do what you can.
Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us now and at the hour of our death. AMEN

 

[Qoeleth]

I must have missed the report when Israel started kidnapping Arabs and cutting their heads off on video…

Two words for you to think about: Abu Ghraib.

 

[Uriah_Betrayed]

Two words for you to think about: Abu Ghraib.

Let’s look at all the words you used “Aggressive Terror State”

Now is Israel a state yes so that part gets a check

Is Israel aggressive? No in fact I would say they’re history consists of reacting to constant attacks by Arab nations trying to wipe them off the face of the earth. Now lets look at what happened after the 6 day war, Israel had every right to keep the Sinai Peninsula and other territory they took over after pushing the Arab armies back, but instead they gave those lands back and still are willing to negotiate with the Palestininans who are at the moment more or less Tools of terrorists like Hamas or bigger Arab nations who are hypocrites that won’t let Palestinian Arabs into their own homelands but expects Israel to give in to their demands.

And on a more basic level, it is usually that the Palestinians toss a rocket or kidnap an Israeli that causes a counter-attack from Israel.

Does Israel promote Terror? Certainly not! You mention Abu Ghraib, except that was a US military problem and it was NOT done in order to spread terror among the Arab world, it was done because a racists in the military felt obliged to torture these individuals in the name of interrogation. As you recall they were punished for their actions, I doubt Hamas condemns the people who kidnap israeli citizens and kills them on television…

 

[Julian0404]

i’m sorry. all sin is not horrific. it’s a sin.

i want no part of a God who hasn’t the sense to see the difference.

Dear JESUS,
as YOU hung on the cross with the nails piercing YOUR hands and feet, and the thorns piercing YOUR skull; with skin torn in strips and hanging down like rain spouts allowing YOUR precious Blood to spill onto the ground; as YOU struggled to breath against the weight of YOUR OWN BODY hanging - YOU saw (itulian) commenting that unless YOU meet “his” definition, unless YOU bow to “his” ideas that “he” shall reject YOU - and seeing that LORD, still, YOU still suffered for “him” and died for “him” that “he” might have the opportunity to declare “his” love for YOU LORD, instead of “his” misguided proclamation rejecting YOUR sacrifice for “him”. I pray Dear JESUS that YOU allow YOUR DIVINE MERCY to lead (itulian) to the TRUTH and to YOUR salvation that “he” may give YOU glory and praise in heaven. I ask this LORD through YOUR most PRECIOUS BLOOD and terrible PASSION.
Amen

 

[Qoeleth]

I never said God did but obviously things will change there as the Church teaches.

Remember the CCC 674

674 The glorious Messiah’s coming is suspended at every moment of history until his recognition by “all Israel”, for “a hardening has come upon part of Israel” in their “unbelief” toward Jesus.569 St. Peter says to the Jews of Jerusalem after Pentecost: "Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus, whom heaven must receive until the time for establishing all that God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets from of old."570 St. Paul echoes him: "For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead?"571 The “full inclusion” of the Jews in the Messiah’s salvation, in the wake of “the full number of the Gentiles”,572 will enable the People of God to achieve “the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ”, in which “God may be all in all”.573

Many will come to believe at that appointed time as the Church teaches - unless its talking about some other Israel.

Yes, the full inclusion of Jews occurs when they accept the Messiah Jesus! I hope that happens too.

 

[Qoeleth]

Let’s look at all the words you used “Aggressive Terror State”

Now is Israel a state yes so that part gets a check

Is Israel aggressive? No in fact I would say they’re history consists of reacting to constant attacks by Arab nations trying to wipe them off the face of the earth. Now lets look at what happened after the 6 day war, Israel had every right to keep the Sinai Peninsula and other territory they took over after pushing the Arab armies back, but instead they gave those lands back and still are willing to negotiate with the Palestininans who are at the moment more or less Tools of terrorists like Hamas or bigger Arab nations who are hypocrites that won’t let Palestinian Arabs into their own homelands but expects Israel to give in to their demands.

And on a more basic level, it is usually that the Palestinians toss a rocket or kidnap an Israeli that causes a counter-attack from Israel.

Does Israel promote Terror? Certainly not! You mention Abu Ghraib, except that was a US military problem and it was NOT done in order to spread terror among the Arab world, it was done because a racists in the military felt obliged to torture these individuals in the name of interrogation. As you recall they were punished for their actions, I doubt Hamas condemns the people who kidnap israeli citizens and kills them on television…

Sorry, I apologise for what I said. I was wrong to describe Israel as a ‘state’. And terrorism’ normally means cov**ert acts of aggression- but the organisation known as ‘Israel’ is quite open about cutting of food to the hungry, bombing humanitarian stations, destroying whole villages, invading lands of other peoples, accumulating weapons of mass destruction etc.

 

[Wanttobechaste]

No one would have known and what horror it could have prevented.

i mean a few strategically placed attacks could have helped since single individuals did so much harm.

Hitler, Stalin, Mao,etc.

What you are really asking is “why does God let bad things happen?”. And the answer is that God lets bad things (like the holocaust) happen to bring a greater good from them. I don’t know what good came form the holocaust but we simply have to trust that good did or will come from it.

 

[Uriah_Betrayed]

Sorry, I apologise for what I said. I was wrong to describe Israel as a ‘state’. And terrorism’ normally means covert acts of aggression- but the organisation known as ‘Israel’ is quite open about cutting of food to the hungry, bombing humanitarian stations, destroying whole villages, invading lands of other peoples, accumulating weapons of mass destruction etc.

It is not an organization, if you read what I said I said “Yes Israel is a State” by which I mean it’s a sovereign nation.

While I know Israel as a whole is not completely innocent as a nation I stand by my statement that what they do is in reaction to the Palestinians and Arab nations continuing to allow terrorists to target them with the full support of the muslim world.