Why didn't God provide a plan of salvation for fallen angels?

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liquidpele said:
Thank you for the clarification, but I personally think the idea is silly even when attributed to God. Is there scripture that supports God being “outside of time” or is this just a Catholic philosophical belief?
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There are a number. Genesis might be a good example, or Revelation talks about the end of time. It is also a philosophical point, but not a Catholic one, or a Christian one. It is found in most developed philosophical positions. In the West you could look at Plato or Aristotle as good starting points.

If you like, you might also consider reading some modern physics on the nature of time, which says pretty much the same thing - time is part of the universe, or from a Christian perspective we would say is part of creation.
 
liquidpele said:
Thank you for the clarification, but I personally think the idea is silly even when attributed to God. Is there scripture that supports God being “outside of time” or is this just a Catholic philosophical belief?
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What they mean by “outside of time” is that God is a constant fact of reality such that time has nothing to do with it. And that God is a constant, never changing through time. And even if there were no physical universe at all, yielding no measurement of change == time, God would still exist.

It all actually makes perfect sense. They just seem to want to maintain the confusion.
 
James_S_Saint said:
What they mean by “outside of time” is that God is a constant fact of reality such that time has nothing to do with it. And that God is a constant, never changing through time. And even if there were no physical universe at all, yielding no measurement of change == time, God would still exist.

It all actually makes perfect sense. They just seem to want to maintain the confusion.
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Not really. That is if you are refering to time in relation to the realm of things that begin and end. If you are refering to eternity as a duration I can agree. There are passages written by OT author’s that are obviously attempting to express a self existant life that is the sourse of all that is. Genesis expresses an existence that is void and formless yet is existing. The author’s seem to be trying to skirt around the concept of time by expressing the notion of ‘before’ but inable to avoid it.
 
Benadam said:
Not really. That is if you are refering to time in relation to the realm of things that begin and end. If you are refering to eternity as a duration I can agree. There are passages written by OT author’s that are obviously attempting to express a self existant life that is the sourse of all that is. Genesis expresses an existence that is void and formless yet is existing.
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I don’t see how that conflicts with what I said…?
 
liquidpele said:
Thank you for the clarification, but I personally think the idea is silly even when attributed to God. Is there scripture that supports God being “outside of time” or is this just a Catholic philosophical belief?
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Gen 1:1

Since Time has a beginning ( Gen 1:1) if God was inside of time, it would also beginning to God.

Time also has an end (Heb 9:26), again if God was inside of Time, God would have an end as well.

Therefore, God is outside of time. It is His creation, He is not subject to it, but it is subject to Him
 
James_S_Saint said:
I don’t see how that conflicts with what I said…?
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I wasn’t able to distinguish in what you wrote that to the Christian there are two realms of experiencing existence. I may have misread, but your statement seemed to deny the idea of eternity as a Judeo Christian theological developement.
 
Benadam said:
I wasn’t able to distinguish in what you wrote that to the Christian there are two realms of experiencing existence. I may have misread, but your statement seemed to deny the idea of eternity as a Judeo Christian theological developement.
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Sorry for the implication.

I have stated many times the eternal nature of God and even why.
 
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