Why didn't God reveal that he was the trinity to the jews?

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He did.

Read the Gospels.

The Hebrews had long suspected something along that line.
The “wisdom books” of the Old Testament abundantly speak of the Wisdom of God as if the Wisdom was God. Without Christ’s clear statements about this, which came later, the Hebrew writers were careful not to explicitly say the Wisdom, or Truth, was a divine person,
but they came very close.

When Gabriel told Mary she would conceive by the Holy Spirit, she didn’t seem confused by this. The idea of the Holy Spirit must have already whispered among the Jews.
The phrase “Holy Spirit” is used vaguely somewhere in the Old Testament, but I don’t remember where. .
 
empther said:
He did.

Read the Gospels.

The Hebrews had long suspected something along that line.
The “wisdom books” of the Old Testament abundantly speak of the Wisdom of God as if the Wisdom was God. Without Christ’s clear statements about this, which came later, the Hebrew writers were careful not to explicitly say the Wisdom, or Truth, was a divine person,
but they came very close.

When Gabriel told Mary she would conceive by the Holy Spirit, she didn’t seem confused by this. The idea of the Holy Spirit must have already whispered among the Jews.
The phrase “Holy Spirit” is used vaguely somewhere in the Old Testament, but I don’t remember where. .
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I understood the OP’s question in the context of the Old Testament. You seem to be saying that Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were revealed to the Jews in the Old Testament, but were unable to cite any OT verses.
 
In the context of widespread polytheism, he first had to firmly establish his oneness and singularity, before anyone was ready to consider a trinity of persons.
 
“Do not cast me from your presence or take your Holy Spirit from me.”
Psalm 51:11
 
JimG said:
In the context of widespread polytheism, he first had to firmly establish his oneness and singularity, before anyone was ready to consider a trinity of persons.
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This makes sense, but still just conjecture, so we’re back to: “how can anyone know?” It seems to me that the “why does God [blank]” questions are virtually impossible to know unless we have the mind of God.
 
I think it’s an excellent question. But we are unlikely to ever know the answer.
 
Genesis 1: 26 Then God said: Let us make human beings in our image, after our likeness. Let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, the tame animals, all the wild animals, and all the creatures that crawl on the earth.

Genesis 18: 1 The LORD appeared to Abraham by the oak of Mamre, as he sat in the entrance of his tent, while the day was growing hot. 2Looking up, he saw three men standing near him. When he saw them, he ran from the entrance of the tent to greet them; and bowing to the ground, 3he said: “Sir, if it please you, do not go on past your servant.

Peace
 
The Jewish religious leaders did not believe Jesus was anything but a man. They tried to stone Him because they believed He was saying He was somehow equal to God. Jesus tells them about Abraham and how Moses wrote concerning Him. But they didn’t understand. He spoke of His Father, but they didn’t get that either. They asked Him who He was and even thought He was possessed. When He mentioned knowing Abraham, they couldn’t understand how that was possible, so He said:

John 8:58 “Jesus said to them, ‘Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham came to be, I AM.’”

So they tried to stone Him.

Peace,
Ed
 
I asked HIM, he said that it took a burning bush to just get Moses to take off his shoes. 😃

GOD told Adam, but he wasn’t a good listener.

GOD told Eve, but she needed an apple to think it over.
 
If you knew everything about God , HE would not be God, if you knew everything about God you would not be HIS creature, YOU would be God, or Satan.

Trust in things you cannot understand or be explained, there are things even in everyday things that one cannot understand so is the same for GOD. I AM WHO AM. (Do you understand this .)

If you read your New Testament Our Lord comes out with things that only he understands.
Our minds are finite, have all your questions ready for when you meet HIM.
 
He did. The Apostles were all Jews as were most of the earliest Christians.
 
SextusEmpiricus said:
This makes sense, but still just conjecture, so we’re back to: “how can anyone know?” It seems to me that the “why does God [blank]” questions are virtually impossible to know unless we have the mind of God.
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👍 exactly. So the question is does that mean ther is no God since the hard questions can not really be answered. This is my objection to atheists. They always say " If ther is a god then why does God (blank)?" the obvious inference is that since God (blank) then he doesn’t exist. To me that’s a strawman.
 
I would speculate that a firm monotheism had to be established before introducing the concept of the Trinity, to minimize the potential for errors like Tritheism.
 
PietroPaolo said:
He did. The Apostles were all Jews as were most of the earliest Christians.
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Exactly.

When Jesus came to the earth, he preached the Gospel pretty much exclusively to the Jewish people. He didn’t make missionary trips to the end of the earth. He left that for the apostles to do. But the Jewish people were the first to receive the fullness of revelation in Jesus (including the doctrine of the Trinity). They simply didn’t all buy into it.
 
hazcompat said:
Genesis 1: 26 Then God said: Let us make human beings in our image, after our likeness. Let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, the tame animals, all the wild animals, and all the creatures that crawl on the earth.

Genesis 18: 1 The LORD appeared to Abraham by the oak of Mamre, as he sat in the entrance of his tent, while the day was growing hot. 2Looking up, he saw three men standing near him. When he saw them, he ran from the entrance of the tent to greet them; and bowing to the ground, 3he said: “Sir, if it please you, do not go on past your servant.

Peace
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These verses (and others in the OT) might support a Trinitarian view, but that is quite different than direct evidence for such a view.
 
SextusEmpiricus said:
These verses (and others in the OT) might support a Trinitarian view, but that is quite different than direct evidence for such a view.
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Correct. Early Israelite scripture may have prefigurements of the revelation of the Trinity in them, and later Jewish ideas about Wisdom and about the Holy Spirit may have been moving in the direction of Trinitarianism, but it was not until Christianity that we had it really laid out for us.
 
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