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but Jesus said he was I AM not a Bodhisattva.In my opinion Jesus was a Bodhisattva. In Buddhism that is a greater honour than mere divinity.
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but Jesus said he was I AM not a Bodhisattva.In my opinion Jesus was a Bodhisattva. In Buddhism that is a greater honour than mere divinity.
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A very good reply post Bubba! Thank you for your interest in this thread. I believe you may have hit the nail on the head. Jesus knew exactly what he was doing by not writing a book. Even thinking about the notion of Him writing a book seems silly to me now. Look at the last book God personally wrote by His own hands, The Ten Commandments, and how many Jews misinterpreted the true meaning/reason for it. All in Gods masterplan I’m sure, He knows how awkward us humans are here on earth, and how we like to twist things to mean what we want them to. Jesus wanted us to discover Gods love for us ourselves and not through a book (although the Bible is great guide). The gift of the Holy Spirit is infinately more then any book we could ask for. Thank God for the guidance of the Holy Spirit in the writing, interpreting, and compiling of the Holy Bible. Thank God, the Author of All the Laws of the universe, for the Love He has given us through Jesus Christ.I think this is an excellent question, one I’ve pondered myself.
Note that writing is really not the issue. There were plenty of scribes in the day and he could easily have gotten one as a disciple to follow him around and record each and every move. In fact, he could have assembled 70 of them to create a New Septageneriat with such overlapping redundency so as to preclude any question of accuracy.
It seems clear, however, that he chose instead to work indirectly through his followers. And this is not a bug but a feature of Revelation. One need look no further than the very Jewish legalisms of the day to see why such a work would be pointless. No matter how long and detailed, people will always find loopholes and workarounds.
The other inescapable conclusion was that Jesus was calling on individuals in his day, and we would presume today, to make up their own minds about what they saw and experienced. This implies that there is something valuable about the process of discovery over and above the blind adherence to rules and regulations.
This is somewhat like the related question: why doesn’t God come down and knock heads from time to time and demonstrate who’s boss of the universe.
This presupposes that God has a language and that human writing adds no value. But, ultimately, humans have to understand it in their own terms, not just in terms of human language but individual human experience.Why wouldn’t God keep Truth in His own language and require us to learn it? No chance of misinterpretation there - although there would be no shortage of people claiming to know God’s language and misleading themselves if not many others as well.
Yes, I suppose it does presuppose that God can communicate in a manner other than via one of the various languages made up by humans. You don’t think I’m stretching too far by that, do you?This presupposes that God has a language and that human writing adds no value. But, ultimately, humans have to understand it in their own terms, not just in terms of human language but individual human experience.
I think you are mistaken on this pointYes, I suppose it does presuppose that God can communicate in a manner other than via one of the various languages made up by humans. You don’t think I’m stretching too far by that, do you? And yes, I do believe that human writing takes away rather than adds value to God’s communication. Why anyone would think they can “add value” to God is beyond me.
And this is why.Now, since the vast majority of humans have no clue as to communicating via God’s ‘language’, it makes sense to try and translate into one or more human languages. Of course, we can’t even translate from one human language to another without most of the subtleties of expression being lost in the process. I agree with you 100% that we humans need to individually experience God. I would add, however, that the experience can’t be successfully communicated via mere human words. Words can hint, encourage, inspire, etc., but not directly communicate without distortion. It remains up to each and every one of us to individually experience Truth directly ourselves.
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Yes, I suppose it does presuppose that God can communicate in a manner other than via one of the various languages made up by humans. You don’t think I’m stretching too far by that, do you? And yes, I do believe that human writing takes away rather than adds value to God’s communication. Why anyone would think they can “add value” to God is beyond me.
I think you are mistaken on this point
I think we just are using different references for “add value”.
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Now, since the vast majority of humans have no clue as to communicating via God’s ‘language’, it makes sense to try and translate into one or more human languages. Of course, we can’t even translate from one human language to another without most of the subtleties of expression being lost in the process. I agree with you 100% that we humans need to individually experience God. I would add, however, that the experience can’t be successfully communicated via mere human words. Words can hint, encourage, inspire, etc., but not directly communicate without distortion. It remains up to each and every one of us to individually experience Truth directly ourselves.
And this is why.
The value that humans add, both in the writing of God’s revelation, and in individual experience, is their own understanding of God.
True understanding of God comes not from words - these only hint. Words may “add value” in the sense that without them most humans wouldn’t have a clue, so to speak. They can’t add to Truth, just make one aware that there may be such a thing. For ignorant humans illiterate in God’s language, I agree, yes, words have a relative value. For those advanced people through the ages that did individually experience and understand God, I still say their understanding and experience was beyond human words. As words are only symbols, worshipping them as Truth is nothing more than idolatry from my view.
The question might be stated a different way: why didn’t God imprint his law directly into our brains? What is the purpose of life anyway? I think the answer goes back to free will and the fact that God desires that we both desire (for ourselves) and love (God and our neighbor).
It’s a little more complex than that. God designed us the way he designed us, and we behave accordingly. The question of free will needs to be looked at much more in depth. It’s not nearly as simplistic as most religious people make it out to be.
The purpose of life is certainly a great question that can be looked at from many levels - from “why was ‘life’ created at all?”, down to “what is the meaning of a particular moment for a particular person?” - and everything in between.
May God bless you (and your circle of family, friends and acquaintances) in His own way with ever transcending spiritual growth, far beyond anything you or I or any religious authority can imagine.
Jesus was present before creation and created it.
He will judge us at the end of time.
I understand that you believe this so, but belief does not create or prove reality.But He did write a large collection of books called the Bible.
Code:Jesus was present before creation and created it. He will judge us at the end of time.
Christ was not going to be a witness unto Himself. That was left to those who were eyewitnesses of His Person and work (Acts 1:8).It seems to me that there are a lot of people who have trouble accepting the words of Jesus because they come second hand. I wonder why Jesus didn’t write a book. The answer seems like it is quite simple, but it eludes me for the time being.
Answering a question with a question—It seems to me that there are a lot of people who have trouble accepting the words of Jesus because they come second hand. I wonder why Jesus didn’t write a book. The answer seems like it is quite simple, but it eludes me for the time being.
You’re under the impression that most of the Apostles couldn’t read and write? Are you kidding?Answering a question with a question—
Who would he have written it for? Most of his followers couldn’t read or write so how would they have read what he had written.
You think Paul was 400 plus years old when he wrote his letter to the church at Rome, to the Ephesians, to the Galatians, to those a Philippi? John was 400 plus years old when he wrote the Book of Revelation? Peter when he wrote to dispersed Jews?Lastly. where would faith have come in? It wasn’t until many years later, approx 400, that anyone even thought to write and compile everything that had been told and taugh.