Why do all the non catholic christians believe that catholics are going to burn in Hell?

[KathleenGee]

MaryLoulita.

How many pentecostals now in Italy? I have a priest friend, Capuchin, in Apulia. He told me a long time ago that there aren’t hardly any protestants down there, among other things. He is now down deep in the heel of Italy…

Do Italians know about the Mormons?

 

[KathleenGee]

Hi Reuben,

I have posted on other threads that the Church is always in position to be devil’s advocate.

There are remains of St. Peter under the altar, and the sarcophogas of containing the remains that possibly could be those of St. Paul. Both remains’ conditions reflect the manner of death of SS Peter and Paul, but as far as I know, so far, nothing is proven.

Same with the Shroud of Turin.

It took the Church 1800 years to declare Mary’s immaculate conception and 1954 to declare her assumption into heaven…we assume she was taken into heaven. But how and did she die or fall asleep? She did not sin and thus does not incur death…but we do not know except she was taken into heaven…we assume she was.

 

[SteveVH]

MaryLoulita.

How many pentecostals now in Italy? I have a priest friend, Capuchin, in Apulia. He told me a long time ago that there aren’t hardly any protestants down there, among other things. He is now down deep in the heel of Italy…

Do Italians know about the Mormons?

I don’t think there is a lot of concern. It is the Mormons who should be concerned, especially in Latin Amerca.

 

[confusedgirl]

I spend a lot of time with LCMS Lutherans. Most of them acknowledge that Catholics are Christians and that they will see me in heaven, but still think we are wrong about a lot of stuff.

I tell them we will both try to follow Jesus as best we can, and at least when we get to heaven, we will finally know the whole truth.

Yeah I think christianity has been divided so much and its time to come back together. Our beliefs really aren’t that different after all

 

[confusedgirl]

And there are also a fair few within our own Church who still think that all non-Catholics (including all non-Catholic Christians) are going to Hell “outside the church there is no salvation” has been quoted to me on more than one occasion as evidence of this (despite the fact that our Church has since explained that this does not mean that all non-Catholics are doomed to Hell).

Yeah we need to sort of realize as long as we believe in what the creeds say then we are really all in one body. If a body is divided its useless because the arms can’t go anywhere without the legs. And the legs can’t stay up without the hips. I pray that we set aside our differences and concentrate on what truly matters.

I have attended a variety of Protestant churches growing up, and never heard that Catholics are going to Hell, unless the church was super fundamental.

I attended several protestant churches and I have to say that maybe two said the catholic church is a dead church while the others rejected catholic traditions and called them unscriptural. But I believe that not everything was recorded in the scriptures or else the bible would be much bigger.

We had a different problem – more like, there is no Hell, and an erosion of family values including pre-marital sex, divorce, abortion, etc. Church sort of existed to make everyone feel good – belonging to the church I grew up in was kind of a status symbol if you belonged and socialized with the “right” people. We didn’t hold our own members accountable for anything, let alone the Catholic faith.

“Why do all the non catholic christians believe that catholics are going to burn in Hell?”

I don’t believe that. I see Catholics and Orthodox as my brothers and sisters in Christ. True that I prefer the Protestant tradition myself (in an Anglican via media kind of way), but I see all three branches as validly Christian, and IMO each of them has some theology more right than the others.

Many dont see the catholic church the way you and i do. Many called it corrupt and want to change it and abolish tradition. If we didnt preserve tradition then we would never have much of a catholic church

 

[confusedgirl]

I concur

Thank you both very much

 

[PJM]

=confusedgirl;10429357]As far as I know the Catholic Church was the church who printed the bible on paper. NOT the baptist, pentecostal, evangelical, united church, ect. I grew up pentecostal and they taught me that God wrote the bible and at 7 years old I assumed that God had literally wrote the bible himself and dropped it on earth . Then again at 10 I am thinking to myself if looking at God would kill us couldn’t reading something that he wrote by his own hand at least make us blind? So I read the bible at 10 years old (the 66 book version) and as I read the points of view change throughout the bible. The bible talked more about the person talking to God than God talking to the people (that kind of made no sense ) I mean God is on almost every single page dont get me wrong but it seems more like people are doing something and God comes to them. So at that point it seemed to me that people in the bible had wrote the bible. That was my conclusion for a while until I noticed that even though it was about that person it seem that it was never told in the first person. It seemed more like someone was there recording what happened. Mind you not every book was like that some did seem to be written by the person who wrote it but not all of them. I have to say that after all of that I can conclude that the bible was written by man and that the catholic church was the actual church who put it all together. I heard a lot of fundamentalists say that Catholics added 7 books to the bible. logically thinking no I am pretty sure someone (people say Luther others say someone else) took those 7 out so Catholics didn’t add or take away to it. That is just one thing but like there are so many more things. I just used the bible as an example that the bible itself is not a strong basis for faith. The catholic church can trace its roots straight to Jesus. Lutherans to Marrtin Luther, Anglicans to King Henry the VIII, Mormons to Joseph Smith, and so on. The current church I am at is a very very newly found one. Around 30 years old and why? Because everyone has interpreted the bible differently. Goodness that is so confusing I was reading about the assumption of Mary because my little brother asked me about it and I needed more information and someone asked where in the Bible does it say that Mary was assumed to heaven. Another person answered it is something they made it up to make Mary more powerful than God :banghead: I am sorry but who is tellng these people these lies? I know at church they tell us some misconceptions but I was never told by any evangelical preacher that that was what catholics taught. I know that they are all untrue but so many believe them to be true and I really wonder why they think so.

A VERY well thought out post:thumbsup:

So well done that I’ ll reply with someting that requires a bit more thought.

Does this explain the “WHY” God kept comming back to HIS Created humanity?

Isa.43 Verses 7 and 21: “every one who is called by my name, whom I created for my glory, whom I formed and made." AND the people whom I formed for myself that they might declare my praise.”

May I offer a tip on posting.

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God Bless you, well done!
pat/PJM

 

[MaryLouItalia]

MaryLoulita.

How many pentecostals now in Italy? I have a priest friend, Capuchin, in Apulia. He told me a long time ago that there aren’t hardly any protestants down there, among other things. He is now down deep in the heel of Italy…

Do Italians know about the Mormons?

The major ‘cult’ (related to christianity) in Italy, after Catholicism, is Jehovah Witness. There are also many muslims but the majority is not-practing.
It’s difficult to say the exact numbers of protestant-pentecostal members. The Italian Assemblies of God are the major pentecostal (and protestant) church recognized by the Italian law with Jew, Waldesian, Lutheran (now I don’t remember if there is also te most important islamic organization) etc in order to have monetary help from their members putting your signature in a special document called 8x1000. The other pentecostal-charismatic churches are ‘free’ but small. Your priest friend is right.
Yes, I know Mormons, but they are really few. I’ve had the chance to study with 2 missionaries, read the book of Mormon, I also have the other 2 mormon books, some magazine (liahona) and I went just 1 time to their celebration. Where I live there’s no mormon presence, I started to know them only because I love to learn and internet gave me a great help

 

[KathleenGee]

Thanks for clarifying! I was in Italy with a priest’s family, and then with other priests as we were all preparing for the missions.

I stayed in Turino, and ate pizza. We had Christmas and New Year’s dinners. We had a great time. I really liked the families and we would take family walks after dinner. Very nice. Then we went on a train down to the French/Italian Riviera, down to Genoa…just on train, couldn’t go out. We went down and I remember that great big mount where you have your marble. So interesting to look at.

Then we went on, passing Tower of Pisa. I saw the towers down the countryside used in old times for signals to alert the people or give some kind of message. We went to Umbria, staying in a small town, visiting Assisi, and then there were little ponds below with clear water. Seminarians liked to go to them. Then we went to Spoleto and I visited a seminary there with very young boys. Food was good.

We then went on to Rome. I stayed later at a seminary in Frascatti for those who were getting ready to be ordained. We then went on to Marrechiaro. More pizza. And we went to Napoli and then to Herculean, and Pompeii. I stayed here for two weeks and my old German girlfriend came down to visit.

But we never had time to visit the heel of Italy. I think they are very nice wholesome people. Fr is now near Socorro. I got a cookbook that has authentic classic tomato sauce, but I do not have a good oven so the pizza tastes like one you get here for about $8.

I could pretty much understand Italians…but Italians and Spanish do not understand Portuguese so good, which I had to learn but never mastered. I have a big book on Italy and I love to sit and look at the pictures and tell my kids about my travels. I could understand the basics when they spoke Italian. The priests took me down the streets to read the street signs at night. I grew up in an Italian neighborhood in the NorthWest and our church was Santa Rita and our pastor was a Jesuit Italian immigrant and he was our family pastor from the time I was 6 years old up to the time I was 27 or so. He spoke so candid with the people at Mass.

When he would begin the homily, he would first say some things in Italian and say, ‘Tutti’…and i would always think back…tutti fruti chewing gum.

I think the Italian Catholics in Italy who do not go to church, make me very sad. Your country is so rich and beautiful.

 

[PJM]

=knightbird111;10490255]I think because Christians see Catholics will go to hell for the idol worship of Mary and the Saints, the Pope.

Christians only worship Jesus, everyone else is not important

They also see Catholics as a sub division setup by Satan to confuse mankind from the true Gospel teachings.

WOW!:irish3:

The problem with each stated position in addion to simply being wrong is that they are wrong because none of these could be supported by the God we Cattholics. Love, worship and Obey. READ Mt. 16:18-19 AND John 17:15-19 which verify this fact.

Because God is One

God’s Faith beliefs MUST also be just ONLY One [READ Mk. 16:14-17 & Mt. 28:18-20] and Also Eph. 4:4-8… ONLY the CC dates back historically to the Apostles and was FOUNDED directly by Jesus HIMSELF.

These positions seem to [or perhaps in a few cases CHOOSE to ignore] that God not only Founded Only One Church;& One Faith BUT dictated that "that the gates of hell [AND competing man-made religions] WOULD NOT prevail against Her [Mt.16:18-19]

Further the term "church was "invented by Christ in Mt. 16: 15-19 and applies only to and exclusively to today’s Catholic Churches for about the 1st 1,000 years after the Ressurrection… SO EVERY BIBLE REFERENCE TO “CHURCH” means only the CC.

The myth of idol worship borders on slander and would be except for ignorance.

Catholic WORSHIP God alone
We venerate, reverance and pray THROUGH Mary and the Saints TO GOD and seek thier help in growing closer to God.

IT’S NOT IMAGES; BUT THEIR INTENDED USE THAT IS THE REAL FACTOR

Anything that brings one closer to God is Good ANYTHING that competes with this end goal is bad. God ordered Moses to build angels for the Ark and also The Seperant on the Pope: BOTH aimed to bring people closer to God. Amen!

We OBEY the Pope as God’s personally chosen successor to HIMSELF Mt.15;15-19 and recogonize that Jesus Gave to Him ALONE [later all the Apostles in Mt 18:18] and still later set up Sucession by ABSOLUTE necessity when He expanded the Mission of the Apostles “to the entire WORLD” Mk.16 & Mt. 28 in order to mke the Mission possible.

I KNOW and have never even hear of anyone praying “TO” a sitting Pope; For them YES! To them NO! That too comes very close to slander.

Because God is One

has by absolute necessity only One set of Faith beliefs

founded only His Catholic Church and guides and prptects ONLY that church

One can ask why are there competing religions? On what grounds are they founded:shrug:

Eph. 4: 4-7 “One body and one Spirit; as you are called in one hope of your calling. [5] One Lord, one faith, one baptism. One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in us all. But to every one of us is given grace, according to the measure of the giving of Christ.”

Jn. 21:16-17 SUPPORTS Mt. 16 …" He saith to him again: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me? He saith to him: Yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee. He saith to him: Feed my lambs. He said to him the third time: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved, because he had said to him the third time: Lovest thou me? And he said to him: Lord, thou knowest all things: thou knowest that I love thee. He said to him: Feed my sheep.

May God lead us ALL to His truth; His Way and His Life. Amen

 

[KathleenGee]

If only those people would think. They don’t and that is why they are attracted to cults that teach condemnation of others while they promote themselves into salvation…or so they think.

Most of them come out of the United States and are funded with American dollars.

If we have a financial meltdown, they won’t have the monetary means. And a world without mammon will see where such beliefs and supports have led them.

 

[butbob]

A VERY well thought out post:thumbsup:

So well done that I’ ll reply with someting that requires a bit more thought.

Does this explain the “WHY” God kept comming back to HIS Created humanity?

Isa.43 Verses 7 and 21: “every one who is called by my name, whom I created for my glory, whom I formed and made." AND the people whom I formed for myself that they might declare my praise.”

May I offer a tip on posting.

Seperate your thoughts. the FORUM restricts the number of key-strokes BUT not he amount of space.

God Bless you, well done!
pat/PJM

with all the different protestant churches it is difficult to find the ones where people and the pastor are actually filled and led by the Holy Spirit-- that is the game changer–

all thou the Assembly of God church has the doctrinal belief speaking in tongues is the 1st evidence of the Holy Spirit–

even in the catholic churxch it is hard to find
Q5 . If you are Born of God, [Baptized?] ARE you a Child of God? John 1:12; Rom. 8:16.

John 1:12 “But as many as received him, he gave them power to be made the sons of God, to them that believe in his name”

Once again we have a different version of “by Faith Alone.” A very believable and powerful message when taken out of context. They trend to the first teaching but at times ignore that it is clearly a “conditional offer.” Then even if they accept that its “conditional,” they claim an unwarranted right to define for themselves what the conditions are. Not permitting God to “be in charge”; and therefore they commonly miss the actual teaching God requires. This is a great example of US needing to know what is true; and how to prove it.

Rom. 8:16 “For the Spirit himself giveth testimony to our spirit, that we are the sons of God.” Keep in mind the question being asked: cf. “DO YOU have the Spirit of God living in you?” … I’d bet nearly 100%claim that they do?

Response: But even if they do, how do they know for sure? My guess is that the answer has something to do with “Speaking in Tongues” which they commonly hold as the “end-all” of all Spiritual Gifts. So are they saying that “if one does not have the Gift of tongues”; the HS is NOT with them? Yes, I think that is often their point; and it’s wrong! That is NOT what Paul actually teaches:

1Cor.12 Verses 26 to 31”If one member suffers, all suffer together; if one member is honored, all rejoice together. Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it. And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, then healers, helpers, administrators, speakers in various [LAST Listed] kinds of tongues. Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? Do all possess gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? [NO is implied] Do all interpret? But earnestly desire the higher gifts. And I will show you a still more excellent way.” AND 1st.Cor. 14: Verses 5, 13 “Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than he who speaks in tongues, unless some one interprets, so that the church may be edified. Therefore, he who speaks in a tongue should pray for the power to interpret.”

Speaking in tongues is a good thing; made far better when they or someone else can interpret it “for the benefit of the church.”( the people)

**I know only a few catholics who are so Blessed. **

This stems from the fact that it is not a Gift we ask for from the HS, enough.

We certainly do NOT wish to claim that The Holy Spirit is NOT In some manner available to our Protestant brethren

. He may well be with them is some manner? BUT not in the fullness that He is within the Catholic Church and our Sacraments, and especially in it’s Informed and fully practicing members. READ:

 

[confusedgirl]

A VERY well thought out post:thumbsup:

So well done that I’ ll reply with someting that requires a bit more thought.

Does this explain the “WHY” God kept comming back to HIS Created humanity?

Isa.43 Verses 7 and 21: “every one who is called by my name, whom I created for my glory, whom I formed and made." AND the people whom I formed for myself that they might declare my praise.”

May I offer a tip on posting.

Seperate your thoughts. the FORUM restricts the number of key-strokes BUT not he amount of space.

God Bless you, well done!
pat/PJM

First of all thanks for the posting tip. Will do I will try to use a computer for posting rather than the tablet. Second that is a great thought I will have to meditate on that one for a few days. My mom is pentecostal and her best friend is catholic (she is also my godmother) but when it comes to how much my mom knows about Catholicism it really isnt a whole lot. Just like me when it comes to Pentecostalism I know a lot more about Catholicism than Pentecostalism. She can’t understand why me and my godmother like pope francis so much. Just like how I can’t understand how she is comfortable with rejecting the sacrements. Im not even sure my mom knows what they are. A lot of what she thinks I believe is misconceptions and what I think she believes is well broken and lacking in structure. However, I did find it funny that my mom accepts the belief of purgatory since most protestants don’t. Again there is an assumption I made. So really we don’t know that much about each other.

 

[cajunhillbilly]

I do not believe the Catholics are all going to hell. I believe most Catholics have a sincere faith in our Lord and I expect to enjoy their company in heaven. Thank God, though, that I am not the Judge. Jesus is. Amen.

 

[PJM]

=butbob;10499059]with all the different protestant churches it is difficult to find the ones where people and the pastor are actually filled and led by the Holy Spirit-- that is the game changer–

all thou the Assembly of God church has the doctrinal belief speaking in tongues is the 1st evidence of the Holy Spirit–

even in the catholic churxch it is hard to find
Q5 . If you are Born of God, [Baptized?] ARE you a Child of God? John 1:12; Rom. 8:16.

John 1:12 “But as many as received him, he gave them power to be made the sons of God, to them that believe in his name”

Once again we have a different version of “by Faith Alone.” A very believable and powerful message when taken out of context. They trend to the first teaching but at times ignore that it is clearly a “conditional offer.” Then even if they accept that its “conditional,” they claim an unwarranted right to define for themselves what the conditions are. Not permitting God to “be in charge”; and therefore they commonly miss the actual teaching God requires. This is a great example of US needing to know what is true; and how to prove it.

Rom. 8:16 “For the Spirit himself giveth testimony to our spirit, that we are the sons of God.” Keep in mind the question being asked: cf. “DO YOU have the Spirit of God living in you?” … I’d bet nearly 100%claim that they do?

Response: But even if they do, how do they know for sure? My guess is that the answer has something to do with “Speaking in Tongues” which they commonly hold as the “end-all” of all Spiritual Gifts. So are they saying that “if one does not have the Gift of tongues”; the HS is NOT with them? Yes, I think that is often their point; and it’s wrong! That is NOT what Paul actually teaches:

1Cor.12 Verses 26 to 31”If one member suffers, all suffer together; if one member is honored, all rejoice together. Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it. And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, then healers, helpers, administrators, speakers in various [LAST Listed] kinds of tongues. Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? Do all possess gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? [NO is implied] Do all interpret? But earnestly desire the higher gifts. And I will show you a still more excellent way.” AND 1st.Cor. 14: Verses 5, 13 “Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than he who speaks in tongues, unless some one interprets, so that the church may be edified. Therefore, he who speaks in a tongue should pray for the power to interpret.”

Speaking in tongues is a good thing; made far better when they or someone else can interpret it “for the benefit of the church.”( the people)

**I know only a few catholics who are so Blessed. **

This stems from the fact that it is not a Gift we ask for from the HS, enough.

We certainly do NOT wish to claim that The Holy Spirit is NOT In some manner available to our Protestant brethren

. He may well be with them is some manner? BUT not in the fullness that He is within the Catholic Church and our Sacraments, and especially in it’s Informed and fully practicing members. READ:

Bob my friend,

IF your haning your beliefs on this one THING [speakingin tongues] I would urge Caution.

THIS can be ALSO form Satan; the deceiver

GOOGLE “Satan and speaking in tongues”

READ Jn. 14: 16-17 [filled in John 20;21-22]

The Holy Spirit is Promised ONLY by Christ to His Apostles and the CC that through direct Succession [Mk. 16:14-17 & Mt. 28:18-20] with the MISSION now expanded to the Entire WORLD, which makes it an absolute necessity.

Further evidence is Found in John 17:15-19 Where Jesus gives HIMSELF personally [and exclusively] to the same Apostles an todays CC.

Keep in mind that the ONLY Church for nearly ONE THOUSAND YEARS AFTER CHRIST RESSURESCTION was and is; todays CC. [And yes I can prove it biblically and historically]. Certainly our Perfect God did not wait for Protrestants to introduce His SINGULAR truth.

God Bles you,
pat/PJM