Why do Atheists have the intellectual high ground?

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Seriously? In all my debates with them it all eventually comes down to them being more intelligent and me/believers being intellectually dishonest and stupid. And from there what can I possibly say? It’s like a brick wall. But since when was atheism the intellectual high ground? Was it Richard Dawkins with his way with words and his professorship that made every atheist believe they too were PhD’s and experts? Why is it that atheists all act like they know everything, but any Christian answer is immediately brushed off as stupid or (my favourite) “just something those peado’s told you to say”.

Occasionaly on campus I see these atheist cartoons that basically always say that Theists just ignore “knowledge” and “rational” thinking in favour of comfort etc.

What bugs me the most is that all this is just painfully obviously incorrect. Not only do Christians suffer pretty much the most because of their beliefs, but Atheists just have NO clue about the Christian faith and what it is to be Christian yet they think they do. I mean, probably 70% of Christians don’t know much about their faith, but all the claims atheists make are just so wildly incorrect that its like we are arguing about different things.

Most of the time, 80%, I have to say “No, in fact, christians believe this, not that”. At which point they claim intellectual high ground and tell me I am wrong and/or lying and/or “I was once Christian I should know”.
 
NewsTheMan said:
Seriously? In all my debates with them it all eventually comes down to them being more intelligent and me/believers being intellectually dishonest and stupid. And from there what can I possibly say? It’s like a brick wall. But since when was atheism the intellectual high ground? Was it Richard Dawkins with his way with words and his professorship that made every atheist believe they too were PhD’s and experts? Why is it that atheists all act like they know everything, but any Christian answer is immediately brushed off as stupid or (my favourite) “just something those peado’s told you to say”.

Occasionaly on campus I see these atheist cartoons that basically always say that Theists just ignore “knowledge” and “rational” thinking in favour of comfort etc.

What bugs me the most is that all this is just painfully obviously incorrect. Not only do Christians suffer pretty much the most because of their beliefs, but Atheists just have NO clue about the Christian faith and what it is to be Christian yet they think they do. I mean, probably 70% of Christians don’t know much about their faith, but all the claims atheists make are just so wildly incorrect that its like we are arguing about different things.

Most of the time, 80%, I have to say “No, in fact, christians believe this, not that”. At which point they claim intellectual high ground and tell me I am wrong and/or lying and/or “I was once Christian I should know”.
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this guy makes an atheist look stupid i know alot of people like dr. peter kreeft on this board so enjoy this debate

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I think there are a lot of reasons for Atheists believing they have the moral high ground:

1.) Christians, particularly Catholics, living as there was no God by Cohabiting, Contracepting, and divorcing at the same rate as the population at large. I associate with a pretty conservative and traditional circle and I am shocked about the number of failed and in trouble marriages that have happened.

2.) Fallen Christian Leaders: the Catholic Priest homosexual scandal (false named pedophilia) and similar sexual failures of Evangelical leaders.

3.) The media elites haven become hostile to Christian.

4.) The homosexual and population control have done a great job attacking Christianity.

5.) The advent of trendy Athiests speaker/writers like Dawkins, Hitchens, and Pullman.

6.) Catholic Colleges horrendously betraying Catholic teaching and nothing being done about it.

7.) Embarrassing moronic groups like Westboro Baptist.

8.) Doctrinal disunity among Christians, makes us look like we have no idea whatsoever about what we believe.

9.) Christian leadership with cojones!

All these factors make for a perfect storm to make anyone following Christianity devoutly and in a balanced fashion look like a backward knaves and suckers for tithing. We are made to look like “Westboro Baptists” when we oppose infanticide and uphold traditional marriage.

God Bless
 
The atheists are good at showmanship. That’s all it is.

Kind of like Protestants and their selective reception of Sacred Tradition, atheists have a selective reception of science. Tell them that the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics and conservation of energy require the Big Bang to have a Cause Who is omnipotent and they will suddenly say that neither law is valid science. 🤷
 
They don’t but think they do.

They operate on a mistaken notion of their own importance.
 
Cat_Herder said:
The atheists are good at showmanship. That’s all it is.

Kind of like Protestants and their selective reception of Sacred Tradition, atheists have a selective reception of science. Tell them that the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics and conservation of energy require the Big Bang to have a Cause Who is omnipotent and they will suddenly say that neither law is valid science. 🤷
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Didn’t Stephen Hawking just argue against this?
 
Not all atheists are like the ones you describe.

Just as they shouldn’t judge all Christians based on the Fundamental quacks, we shouldn’t judge all Atheists judging by the hostiles.

I do have an imperfect theory on this though. Quite frankly they are hostile to us because they believe we are calling them bad people, period. Let’s not forget our Scripture states; The man who says in his heart that there is no God is a fool (or however that is said).

Really, honestly, I can understand 100% why these people are offended. Top that off with bible bashers and you have a perfect storm of bad feeling.

Unfortunately they show their lack of intelligence by attacking the whole because of the actions of some. But then… so do we!

I don’t know what the answer is. We claim the moral high ground (even though MANY of our members are CLEARLY not morally superior) so they claim the intellectual highground (even though some of their members are CLEARLY not intellectually superior)- so then everyone feels insulted. There’s this great divide between the Theist an the Atheist. A divide that can only VERY rarely be crossed and a divide that will, I believe, always exist. 🤷
 
They don’t have the intellectual high ground.

Intelligent people is everywhere.

Blessings !!!

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Agreed, they do not have the intellectual high ground. They are strongly supported by the modern culture and the media. This gives them courage. However, they are blind to objective truth.

This is a terrible trap to be cought in. The blindness makes it very hard to work out of; especially, if there is a little dose of pride mixed in. Moderate intelligence can foster a bit of personal pride.

We have the intellectual high ground because we recognize there is a God. We persevere to learn all of what God has revealed to us. We humbly obey what His church teaches. Our reward… eternal life. What a deal!

Please pray for those that are gifted intellectually and know it. They are suffering from the vice of pride and are blind. It takes prayer, maybe fasting, patience and effort to help them. Give them a try though. Do not give up on them immediately.
 
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Agreed, they do not have the intellectual high ground. They are strongly supported by the modern culture and the media. This gives them courage. However, they are blind to objective truth.

This is a terrible trap to be cought in. The blindness makes it very hard to work out of; especially, if there is a little dose of pride mixed in. Moderate intelligence can foster a bit of personal pride.

We have the intellectual high ground because we recognize there is a God. We persevere to learn all of what God has revealed to us. We humbly obey what His church teaches. Our reward… eternal life. What a deal!

Please pray for those that are gifted intellectually and know it. They are suffering from the vice of pride and are blind. It takes prayer, maybe fasting, patience and effort to help them. Give them a try though. Do not give up on them immediately.
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Essentially they paint themselves in a corner with no way out. That is irrational.
 
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