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catholicm17
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I think there are around 250 saints bodies who are incorrupt, pretty amazing.
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Lief_Erikson
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Fatima cannot be discredited by saying it was a mass hallucination. There are many eyewitnesses who saw the event take place from very long distances away, who were not part of the crowd. Also, there were many atheists and agnostics who saw the miracle and were converted, even from different villages many miles away.
If the event was a “natural phenomenon,” on the other hand, the probability of this event occurring at the exact time on the exact day that the seers foretold a mighty miracle would occur is astronomically against it.
Besides Fatima, here’s another pair of mighty miracles you haven’t read about yet, but which you should:
zeitun-eg.org/zeitoun1.htm
holyfire.org/eng/
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Lief_Erikson
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I’ll send you a bit more evidence in the following few posts.
The Apostle Paul is accepted as a very real figure of history by scholars. Most of his epistles in the Bible are generally accepted as authentic. 1 Corinthians, for example, is accepted as having Pauline authorship.
Here’s a comment Paul makes about the appearances of the Resurrected Lord in 1 Corinthians:
1 Corinthians
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1 2 Now I am reminding you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you indeed received and in which you also stand.
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Through it you are also being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.
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3 For I handed on to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures;
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that he was buried; that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the scriptures;
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that he appeared to Cephas, then to the Twelve.
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After that, he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at once, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep.
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After that he appeared to James, then to all the apostles.
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Last of all, as to one born abnormally, he appeared to me.
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For I am the least of the apostles, not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
Paul records that Jesus appeared to over five hundred Christians at once, most of whom were living witnesses at the time he wrote the epistle. His appearances and conversations with Paul and the apostles (and the apostles and other disciples said He also broke bread, ate food and drank in their presence, after the Resurrection) were so convincing that these men all proceeded to die for their certainty that He was indeed risen.
Paul says that he persecuted the Church but Christ appeared to him and he converted – an extremely dramatic conversion, considering he used to try to imprison and kill Christians. It took a huge experience to change him so radically.
Paul writes that many others, aside from him, also alive saw Christ alive after His Resurrection, and Paul goes on, later in the chapter, to describe the resurrected body as extremely glorious and majestic in appearance. He says that he, the apostles, and over five hundred others were witnesses of this.
We can be sure Paul was entirely sincere in his testimony, not lying or fudging the truth at all, because he endured many floggings for this faith, starvation, nakedness, and many other sufferings, and finally he was beheaded for his faith in the Resurrection of Christ, in the Colosseum of Rome. Paul was in a position to know for sure whether Christ was risen or not, for he claimed to have spoken with Him and seen Him after His Resurrection. Indeed, in the Book of Galatians, Paul says he received his entire gospel testimony straight from the Resurrected Lord. So Paul knew for sure whether he was lying or not. He could not have hallucinated all that (his companions saw a brilliant light and heard Jesus’ voice as well, according to Paul’s testimony in Acts 22:9). He could not have made a mistake on this critical point that changed Paul’s life radically and made a persecutor of Christianity into its foremost evangelist, willing to suffer greatly for his certainty that Christ was Risen.
People don’t die for what they know is a lie, but for what they are convinced is true. Paul suffered enormously for his faith in the Resurrection of Christ and was martyred for this certainty, so we have every reason to believe in the truth of his testimony. His testimony is proven not only by his miracles, which were numerous and convinced large numbers of people in his own time that he was telling the truth, but his blood also proves his words were sincere and therefore true (for he couldn’t plausibly have made a mistake or been only imagining it all).
The Apostle Paul is accepted as a very real figure of history by scholars. Most of his epistles in the Bible are generally accepted as authentic. 1 Corinthians, for example, is accepted as having Pauline authorship.
Here’s a comment Paul makes about the appearances of the Resurrected Lord in 1 Corinthians:
1 Corinthians
Chapter 15
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1 2 Now I am reminding you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you indeed received and in which you also stand.
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Through it you are also being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.
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3 For I handed on to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures;
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that he was buried; that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the scriptures;
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that he appeared to Cephas, then to the Twelve.
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After that, he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at once, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep.
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After that he appeared to James, then to all the apostles.
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Last of all, as to one born abnormally, he appeared to me.
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For I am the least of the apostles, not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
Paul records that Jesus appeared to over five hundred Christians at once, most of whom were living witnesses at the time he wrote the epistle. His appearances and conversations with Paul and the apostles (and the apostles and other disciples said He also broke bread, ate food and drank in their presence, after the Resurrection) were so convincing that these men all proceeded to die for their certainty that He was indeed risen.
Paul says that he persecuted the Church but Christ appeared to him and he converted – an extremely dramatic conversion, considering he used to try to imprison and kill Christians. It took a huge experience to change him so radically.
Paul writes that many others, aside from him, also alive saw Christ alive after His Resurrection, and Paul goes on, later in the chapter, to describe the resurrected body as extremely glorious and majestic in appearance. He says that he, the apostles, and over five hundred others were witnesses of this.
We can be sure Paul was entirely sincere in his testimony, not lying or fudging the truth at all, because he endured many floggings for this faith, starvation, nakedness, and many other sufferings, and finally he was beheaded for his faith in the Resurrection of Christ, in the Colosseum of Rome. Paul was in a position to know for sure whether Christ was risen or not, for he claimed to have spoken with Him and seen Him after His Resurrection. Indeed, in the Book of Galatians, Paul says he received his entire gospel testimony straight from the Resurrected Lord. So Paul knew for sure whether he was lying or not. He could not have hallucinated all that (his companions saw a brilliant light and heard Jesus’ voice as well, according to Paul’s testimony in Acts 22:9). He could not have made a mistake on this critical point that changed Paul’s life radically and made a persecutor of Christianity into its foremost evangelist, willing to suffer greatly for his certainty that Christ was Risen.
People don’t die for what they know is a lie, but for what they are convinced is true. Paul suffered enormously for his faith in the Resurrection of Christ and was martyred for this certainty, so we have every reason to believe in the truth of his testimony. His testimony is proven not only by his miracles, which were numerous and convinced large numbers of people in his own time that he was telling the truth, but his blood also proves his words were sincere and therefore true (for he couldn’t plausibly have made a mistake or been only imagining it all).
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Lief_Erikson
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The same proof of the Resurrection of Christ also holds true for the other apostles. They claimed that they saw Christ alive after His Resurrection, that they saw Him eat food in their presence (no possibility of imagining that), that they all saw Him together (not just one witness but many), and they talked with Him in repeated conversations over a period of 40 days, until He rose into Heaven. They could not have been mistaken about His having prepared a fire in John 21 and cooked fish over it for them, and then eaten with them, after which He had a theological conversation with them. So them make a mistake and simply imagining all this evidence that Christ was Risen is impossible. Because a mistake is impossible, they had to have been deliberately lying when they testified that He was Risen, or they had to have been telling the truth.
We know they weren’t deliberately lying because they all endured brutal floggings, ostracism, imprisonment, torture (some were flayed, others shattered on the wheel, etc.), and finally martyrdom for their testimony that Christ was Risen. People don’t go through all that for a story that they know is a lie. At least one of them would have changed his story! Surely all of them would have changed their story if they knew it was not true (and they couldn’t have been mistaken, given all this firsthand eyewitness evidence and physical proofs they testified to). Even if people are telling the truth, usually they will start telling lies when threatened with torture, in the hope of getting off. But the apostles all stayed faithful to their testimony and died for it. People don’t do that when they know their testimony is a lie. The apostles knew whether they were telling the truth or not – they could not have been making a mistake, given the evidence they experienced firsthand – so we can be sure they were telling the truth. Therefore we can be sure that Christ is Risen.
Thus the blood of the apostles is a powerful evidence that Christ is Risen. Now, if Christ rose from the dead, physically, as the apostles said, and appointed the apostles to be His messengers to the world while present in His glorified body (Matt. 28:19), then we would do well to believe the apostles’ teachings. And the apostles passed on to the world the Catholic faith.
We know they weren’t deliberately lying because they all endured brutal floggings, ostracism, imprisonment, torture (some were flayed, others shattered on the wheel, etc.), and finally martyrdom for their testimony that Christ was Risen. People don’t go through all that for a story that they know is a lie. At least one of them would have changed his story! Surely all of them would have changed their story if they knew it was not true (and they couldn’t have been mistaken, given all this firsthand eyewitness evidence and physical proofs they testified to). Even if people are telling the truth, usually they will start telling lies when threatened with torture, in the hope of getting off. But the apostles all stayed faithful to their testimony and died for it. People don’t do that when they know their testimony is a lie. The apostles knew whether they were telling the truth or not – they could not have been making a mistake, given the evidence they experienced firsthand – so we can be sure they were telling the truth. Therefore we can be sure that Christ is Risen.
Thus the blood of the apostles is a powerful evidence that Christ is Risen. Now, if Christ rose from the dead, physically, as the apostles said, and appointed the apostles to be His messengers to the world while present in His glorified body (Matt. 28:19), then we would do well to believe the apostles’ teachings. And the apostles passed on to the world the Catholic faith.
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Lief_Erikson
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I recommend browsing through these Old Testament prophecies of the Messiah, which were fulfilled in the life of Jesus Christ, when you find the time:
cynet.com/jesus/prophecy/ntquoted.htm
There are many more Old Testament prophecies He fulfilled as well, in addition to these. I have a book of them on my religion shelf.
You know, when Christ appeared to five hundred Christians, after His Resurrection, He wasn’t the only one from Heaven to appear to so many people at once. His Mother was also assumed into Heaven in the body, according to Catholic Tradition, and she has appeared to many more people since.
In a series of 20th century apparitions in Betania, for instance, Mary appeared visibly to many people at a shrine. The local Archbishop, who investigated the phenomenon carefully, has calculated that between five hundred and a thousand people have seen Mary at this location. Here is his report:
ewtn.com/library/BISHOPS/BET_PIO.HTM
An even more dramatic apparition of Mary occurred in Cairo, in the 1960’s, at a church called Zeitoun. For at least a year, she appeared almost daily to a rapidly growing crowd. In the end, about a million people had seen her, and the international media had photographed her repeatedly, and President Nasser of Egypt also came and saw her. You can read about this event on this link, and see a few of the photos:
zeitun-eg.org/zeitoun1.ht
A million people cannot have all been hysterical or hallucinating. Mary definitely, verifiably has come to Earth from Heaven repeatedly in human history, to instruct us and help us to follow the teachings of her Son. Sometimes she appears to hundreds of people, in one case to a million, but usually to small groups or individuals. Apparitions of Jesus, Mary and other saints are very common in the lives of the canonized Catholic saints.
Another very important apparition of Mary in the 20th century is Our Lady of Fatima. She appeared repeatedly to three very young children, all of whom suffered enormously for their conviction that she truly was appearing to them (they suffered for their testimony through very painful penances they practiced of their own accord, and through persecution by local villagers and public officials, and even persecution by some clergy). Mary also made several prophecies in the presence of the children, about the future, foretelling many events, such as the coming of World War 2, the rise of Communist Russia, the assassination attempt on Pope John Paul II, and several other important events of the 20th century. She finally proved she was appearing to the children and that her words were true by performing a dramatic miracle in front of 70,000 people, who observed it and were astonished and terrified at the sight. You can read about the events at Fatima through the following link:
marypages.com/fatimaEng1.htm
You can read about many more Marian apparitions on the following website, if you remain interested in reading more, after having read the above accounts: marypages.com/
These repeated heavenly apparitions and the miracles that have surrounded them are another powerful sign of the truth of the Catholic faith. Mary confirms the Catholic faith through her messages and encourages the Catholics to persevere, grow in righteousness and turn away from sin.
cynet.com/jesus/prophecy/ntquoted.htm
There are many more Old Testament prophecies He fulfilled as well, in addition to these. I have a book of them on my religion shelf.
You know, when Christ appeared to five hundred Christians, after His Resurrection, He wasn’t the only one from Heaven to appear to so many people at once. His Mother was also assumed into Heaven in the body, according to Catholic Tradition, and she has appeared to many more people since.
In a series of 20th century apparitions in Betania, for instance, Mary appeared visibly to many people at a shrine. The local Archbishop, who investigated the phenomenon carefully, has calculated that between five hundred and a thousand people have seen Mary at this location. Here is his report:
ewtn.com/library/BISHOPS/BET_PIO.HTM
An even more dramatic apparition of Mary occurred in Cairo, in the 1960’s, at a church called Zeitoun. For at least a year, she appeared almost daily to a rapidly growing crowd. In the end, about a million people had seen her, and the international media had photographed her repeatedly, and President Nasser of Egypt also came and saw her. You can read about this event on this link, and see a few of the photos:
zeitun-eg.org/zeitoun1.ht
A million people cannot have all been hysterical or hallucinating. Mary definitely, verifiably has come to Earth from Heaven repeatedly in human history, to instruct us and help us to follow the teachings of her Son. Sometimes she appears to hundreds of people, in one case to a million, but usually to small groups or individuals. Apparitions of Jesus, Mary and other saints are very common in the lives of the canonized Catholic saints.
Another very important apparition of Mary in the 20th century is Our Lady of Fatima. She appeared repeatedly to three very young children, all of whom suffered enormously for their conviction that she truly was appearing to them (they suffered for their testimony through very painful penances they practiced of their own accord, and through persecution by local villagers and public officials, and even persecution by some clergy). Mary also made several prophecies in the presence of the children, about the future, foretelling many events, such as the coming of World War 2, the rise of Communist Russia, the assassination attempt on Pope John Paul II, and several other important events of the 20th century. She finally proved she was appearing to the children and that her words were true by performing a dramatic miracle in front of 70,000 people, who observed it and were astonished and terrified at the sight. You can read about the events at Fatima through the following link:
marypages.com/fatimaEng1.htm
You can read about many more Marian apparitions on the following website, if you remain interested in reading more, after having read the above accounts: marypages.com/
These repeated heavenly apparitions and the miracles that have surrounded them are another powerful sign of the truth of the Catholic faith. Mary confirms the Catholic faith through her messages and encourages the Catholics to persevere, grow in righteousness and turn away from sin.
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Lief_Erikson
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Another topic worth knowing about, regarding the saints, is the mystical phenomenon known as the stigmata. A saint or other deeply devout Catholic is given by God an extraordinary degree of union with Jesus’ Passion. They experience piercing pain in their bodies, in those parts of the body where the Lord was wounded. Blood flows from wounds that physically appear on their bodies in these places, nail holes in the hands and feet, lash marks on their backs and sometimes wounds on their heads where the crown of thorns pierced Christ. The wounds open on their own and then close on their own, without any medical intervention. Usually the wounds of the stigmatist appear for a few hours on Fridays (the day of the Lord’s Passion), or during Church seasons or holy days particularly designated to the suffering of Christ. This phenomenon has occurred many times in history, and the only verifiable cases have involved Catholics, especially saints. St. Francis of Assisi was the first person recorded as having experienced this form of mystical union with Christ’s Passion, in the Medieval Ages.
The Catholic Encyclopedia has the following article on the stigmata:
newadvent.org/cathen/14294b.htm
There have been hundreds of Catholic stigmatists documented in history. Their wounds, which have many times been proven were NOT self-inflicted, are a testimony to the truth of the Catholic faith. If Christ did not die for our sins and rise again, there would be no point in God uniting all these people with His Passion in so visceral and physical a way. Nor would there be a reason for the spiritual forms of union with His Passion they have endured . . . many saints and mystics have endured union with His Passion spiritually, or in ecstasy, going through tremendous pains in union with Him, bringing forth the grace of His Passion to help the lives of others, through these sacrificial prayers. The sufferings they endured in spirit were often much more severe than physical sufferings. All of this proves that the Passion and Resurrection of Christ conquered sin and raises us all to new life, if we believe in Him. It is testimony to the truth of the Catholic faith.
These stigmatists are also often known to be among the most loving, patient, humble and generous people of history. Their characters are known to be impeccably beautiful. Their generous lives are inconsistent with fake stigmata. People who fake stigmata are fanatics, neurotics, or extremely prideful phonies. They have serious personality disorders. The saints, on the other hand, are verifiably among the noblest people of history. One can prove this by looking at their lives, and how much they loved other people. Their wisdom also is incredible. Their insight is superb. Their characters are head and shoulders better than those of almost anyone. They are not neurotics, fanatics or prideful phonies. One can see this from studying their lives. Thus the most logical explanation for the stigmata becomes the truth of the Passion and Resurrection of Christ.
On the side, here’s a youtube video by a medical expert, PHD Ricardo Gomez, about a Eucharistic Miracle:
youtube.com/watch?v=qbg_dhI4XCs
And here’s a website that contains stories, information and photos of many Eucharistic Miracles. It shows a Vatican exhibition of many of the Eucharistic Miracles of our history: therealpresence.org/eucha…r/engl_mir.htm
The Catholic Encyclopedia has the following article on the stigmata:
newadvent.org/cathen/14294b.htm
There have been hundreds of Catholic stigmatists documented in history. Their wounds, which have many times been proven were NOT self-inflicted, are a testimony to the truth of the Catholic faith. If Christ did not die for our sins and rise again, there would be no point in God uniting all these people with His Passion in so visceral and physical a way. Nor would there be a reason for the spiritual forms of union with His Passion they have endured . . . many saints and mystics have endured union with His Passion spiritually, or in ecstasy, going through tremendous pains in union with Him, bringing forth the grace of His Passion to help the lives of others, through these sacrificial prayers. The sufferings they endured in spirit were often much more severe than physical sufferings. All of this proves that the Passion and Resurrection of Christ conquered sin and raises us all to new life, if we believe in Him. It is testimony to the truth of the Catholic faith.
These stigmatists are also often known to be among the most loving, patient, humble and generous people of history. Their characters are known to be impeccably beautiful. Their generous lives are inconsistent with fake stigmata. People who fake stigmata are fanatics, neurotics, or extremely prideful phonies. They have serious personality disorders. The saints, on the other hand, are verifiably among the noblest people of history. One can prove this by looking at their lives, and how much they loved other people. Their wisdom also is incredible. Their insight is superb. Their characters are head and shoulders better than those of almost anyone. They are not neurotics, fanatics or prideful phonies. One can see this from studying their lives. Thus the most logical explanation for the stigmata becomes the truth of the Passion and Resurrection of Christ.
On the side, here’s a youtube video by a medical expert, PHD Ricardo Gomez, about a Eucharistic Miracle:
youtube.com/watch?v=qbg_dhI4XCs
And here’s a website that contains stories, information and photos of many Eucharistic Miracles. It shows a Vatican exhibition of many of the Eucharistic Miracles of our history: therealpresence.org/eucha…r/engl_mir.htm
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Lief_Erikson
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I agree!
And beautiful, too!I hope you find the posts I sent you above helpful.
Last but **most importantly, I also want to encourage you to pray! The more you pray, the closer you will grow in your relationship with God. He will strengthen you to overcome doubts with wisdom, knowledge and faith, and He will fill your life with virtues and blessings. The more you pray, the more you will be blessed, and you will come to experience that God actively intervenes in your life and leads it. This will be a strong proof of the reality of God for your life, and will help you greatly. The more you grow in your prayer life, especially if you pray to Mary, the more you will draw closer to God.
Are there any particular questions you have about your faith, that make you wonder about whether it is true or not?**
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catholicm17
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I agree!
I hope you find the posts I sent you above helpful.
Last but **most importantly, I also want to encourage you to pray! The more you pray, the closer you will grow in your relationship with God. He will strengthen you to overcome doubts with wisdom, knowledge and faith, and He will fill your life with virtues and blessings. The more you pray, the more you will be blessed, and you will come to experience that God actively intervenes in your life and leads it. This will be a strong proof of the reality of God for your life, and will help you greatly. The more you grow in your prayer life, especially if you pray to Mary, the more you will draw closer to God.
Are there any particular questions you have about your faith, that make you wonder about whether it is true or not?**
Thank you for the internet links.
The things that put doubt in my mind about the Christian faith and God are people like Dawkins, Hawking, Harris etc… who say God was not needed to create the universe, and Dawkins continuous attack on religion and Christianity in particular.
Also atheist scholars such as Bart Ehrman, and films such as The God Who Wasnt There also hurt my faith.
However there have been many helpful people on these forums who hae helped me. I have also learned many new things about the faith.
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kildare
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Empiricism is an important part of science, so every phenomenon has o be repeatable. Of the course the Big Bang was a unique event, but that hasnt stopped the atheists from disregarding miracles
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Warrior1979
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The above is the most honest post in this thread. This is because this poster actually can see the point of view of the other side, and not simply taking the point of view that “I’m right, you’re wrong.”
Few people have actually witnessed a true miracle, including Catholics. The “proof” of the miracle is therefore “The Church said so,” and that argument is not going to fly with an atheist…it’s that simple.
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catholicm17
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Modern day Pharisees, thats what the atheists are similar to.
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cerad2
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Can you post a list? Any articles in peer reviewed scientific journals?
One reason for my skepticism is the sheer amount of resources that the Catholic Church could bring to bear on the scientific study of miracles but chooses not to. The Church has many top notch and respected scientists doing outstanding work in their chosen fields. The Church also funds many avenues of scientific research.
So why are they not scientifically analyzing these uncorrupted bodies? The resources are there as well as the expertise. And I’m not talking about some theologians getting together and praying about stuff and consulting their holy books. I’m talking about real scientists with real state of the art equipment doing real tests on real bodies.
Imagine how many souls could be saved if the church really could show that miracles did occur. Yet, for some strange reason, the church chooses not to.
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Bohm_Bawerk
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The Church is not really in the business of proving miracles. That is not what our religion is about, which only further proves its authenticity. The Church places more emphasis on philosophical rigour (e.g. the works of St. Thomas Aquinas) than that of miracles. If you want to consider miracles in their proper place, imagine a gigantic cake with a cherry on top - the gigantic cake represents reason, and the cherry represents miracles. In other words, miracles play a very small role in the life of a believer, with it’s role mainly to rekindle faith and to demonstrate practically that God still works in our world. With the exception of the resurrection of Jesus, the Immaculate Conception, transubstantiation and a few other miracles, the Church’s existence is not based on miracles that come and go
.As for scientifically analyzing miracles, the Church has done so for a very few number of cases, such as in apparition sites like Lourdes. These are exceptions, rather than the rule. And even when the evidence is in favour that a miracle really did happen, the Church still declares that you are free to disagree with whether the miracle even took place. Same logic applies to what happened at Fatima, Guadalupe, etc.
Personally, I don’t think I’ve ever experienced a miracle, but I’m in need of one now, so I’ll let you know how that works out
. But I have a lot of faith in the dignity of several Christians that they aren’t exaggerating or making things up, so I’m going by their own testimony (and I’m a very staunch cynic, but there are many things that can’t be explained…) . You’re on a Catholic website despite your religion being “NA”, so maybe God is leading you to the Truth 
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catholicm17
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I am just going to my bed, very tired so i wont right much. Scientists and doctors have studied the impossible of miracles such as Eucharistic miracles and incorrupt bodies of Saint. I will provide internet links tomorrow. Obviously science cant prove the Marian appiritions, i believe the thousands of people who had witnessed the appiritions and the happenings in the places after the visions are special, such as Lourdes and Guadalupe.
Read 1 Corinthians 1: 20-25. Dont demand miracles to prove God or a religion, find the truth through the words of Jesus and his apostles and the news they preached.
One of the best biblical scholars in the world, William Lane Craig says the Resurrection miracle is a historical fact and actually happened
Read 1 Corinthians 1: 20-25. Dont demand miracles to prove God or a religion, find the truth through the words of Jesus and his apostles and the news they preached.
One of the best biblical scholars in the world, William Lane Craig says the Resurrection miracle is a historical fact and actually happened
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Lui
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Here are some incorrupt Saints:
catholicapologetics.info/library/gallery/incorrupt/incorrupt.htm
Here is an skeptic’s view on the incorrupt Saints:
skeptoid.com/episodes/4126
Saint Bernadette Soubirous Body Examination Testimony
overcomeproblems.com/bernadette_exam.htm
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catholicm17
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I just read through my post, some of it didnt make sense lol, i was playing golf for 4 hours today and now its 2am, very tired, forgive me!
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Warrior1979
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Atheists can argue the same against Catholics, and they’d likely be more correct.
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Lief_Erikson
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What you want to read is Joan Cruz’s “The Incorruptibles.” The Church has exhumed many bodies of saints and has had scientists study them at various times. Some have proven to be mummies, merely popularly and mistakenly believed to be incorruptibles. A few of these bodies also have proven to have been preserved by the natural environment in which they were buried. Environmental agents preserved them, though no one intentionally preserved them. Yet still other bodies of saints have proven to be true incorruptibles, having been buried in damp environments that would naturally speed up decay rates, and not being mummies. Unlike mummies, most of these bodies remain flexible, have never gone through rigor mortis, and are simply scientifically inexplicable. These are real incorruptibles. Mistakes have been made about some bodies, and these have been exposed by the Church’s investigations, while other bodies have been shown to be truly incorrupt.
The following book contains many details of these studies, and the available evidence concerning many incorruptible bodies:
amazon.com/Incorruptibles-Incorruption-Bodies-Various-Catholic/dp/0895550660
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Lui
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Here are also part 2 and 3 of The Incorruptibles: Non-Decomposing Catholic Saints. I couldn’t find Part 1
Part 2: youtube.com/watch?v=aQtilGVoZm8&feature=related
Part 3: youtube.com/watch?v=BDDmR_3wEvQ&feature=related
Part 2: youtube.com/watch?v=aQtilGVoZm8&feature=related
Part 3: youtube.com/watch?v=BDDmR_3wEvQ&feature=related
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