Why do bad christians exist?

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We all know that some persons call themselves christians. But we also know the history of christianity. We know how many persons were killed like witches or because they put a cross on themselve with two fingers (Old Believers vs Nikonians).

We all have heard about sex scandals in catholic church. Maybe you have heard about habits in orthodox church.

**.So I want to ask: Why we need the christianity if it doesent make people better? **

You can say, of course, are all atheists ideal? Is there only good people among teachers, doctors, police officers? I answer: No. But there is small (but important) difference between atheists and theists, between non-religious organisations and churches: There is no Immortal, All-knowing, Powerful Supernatural Being over atheists (over policemen, doctors and so on). But you, theists, say that it is, but you totally ignoring that being. You are ignoring your “holy book” named bible, you are ignoring 10 rules your god gave to u. I can understand ordinary believers (for them believing is only hobby), but I cant understand why professional believers (priests) give the finger to their main Boss, ignoring him.
I sin everyday. Am i surprised? No. I am a human being with many habits, vices, and temptations that have continued on from my old life. I would be surprised if Christian morality was easy. But it is not. To be honest I don’t trust “easy”. In fact the least holiest person is the one that does not admit to being a sinner. Christianity does not cause people to be good. It is a life long development requiring our freewill; saints are not born over night. For better or worse it may influence the choices you make, but being baptised does not suddenly make you a good person. It merely opens the door to a spiritual community unified by an intimate relationship with God that we are free at any time to reject.

Why teach Christianity? For the same reason most people teach things; because we believe it to be the truth.

Whether or not people actually live the faith they profess is irrelevant.

First and foremost we are just people no different from atheists in terms of potential behaviour. The real difference? Atheists don’t believe they are sinners requiring salvation from an almighty God.
 
Should an atheist reject religion on the bases that Christians fail to live up to what they believe? It seems to me that this is purely an immature emotional excuse to reject a religion that you don’t like for no other reason than conflicting desires.

Find a better argument.
 
The Marquis de Sade said atheism us free to be as evil as we like without worrying about eternal consequences.

Of course, the good Marquis was not free for long as he had to be locked up in an insane asylum.

There is nothing in Christianity that suggests any such freedom, nor any such madness. 😉
And it appears that the Marquis was a slave to his sexual appetite. 😦

Christianity brings freedom, not license.

It is license to do whatever animalistic behaviors appeal to non-religious folks that seems to be desired. :eek:
 
We all know that some persons call themselves christians. But we also know the history of christianity. We know how many persons were killed like witches or because they put a cross on themselve with two fingers (Old Believers vs Nikonians).

We all have heard about sex scandals in catholic church. Maybe you have heard about habits in orthodox church.

**.So I want to ask: Why we need the christianity if it doesent make people better? **

You can say, of course, are all atheists ideal? Is there only good people among teachers, doctors, police officers? I answer: No. But there is small (but important) difference between atheists and theists, between non-religious organisations and churches: There is no Immortal, All-knowing, Powerful Supernatural Being over atheists (over policemen, doctors and so on). But you, theists, say that it is, but you totally ignoring that being. You are ignoring your “holy book” named bible, you are ignoring 10 rules your god gave to u. I can understand ordinary believers (for them believing is only hobby), but I cant understand why professional believers (priests) give the finger to their main Boss, ignoring him.
Thank you for your post because it is something that should be honestly looked at.

There certainly have been some good atheists doing some very fine work, and other people who don’t necessarily give lip service to God but who also are kind and considerate of the needs of others.

But I would attribute that to the workings of God thru them for God blesses all people, “for He makes it rain on the good and the bad” as scripture says. He treates all in a way that is difficult to distinguish who God favors and who He does not. In fact that is a favorite discussion and observation, namely, why does God do good to the bad, and why dose he apparently ignore the pleas of the good? This is a source of very great discouragement to many a christian.

Why I bring this up is because we don’t judge God, that is, he has his ways and knows so much more than we do, that it calls for absolute trust in his goodness. If a God fearing person understands this, then that answers so much of his difficulties in life, and if understood more properly, is a means of drawing that person closer to God.

Why would we want to be closer to God? Because Jesus has said that his kingdom has already begun in this world for those who now love God, love one another. And that kingdom will reach its conclusion in death when we pass into the next world. For there, there will be only two kinds of people, those that will enter his kingdom of peace and happiness, and those that will enter the realm of the devil’s house of hatred and suffering.

In this world it is difficult to know sometimes who belongs to which kingdom. All christians should know how to belong and act in his kingdom of this world, but they chose not to do so.
That is unfortunate for they should know better. Others who are not of his kingdom of this world and are not christian, by acting and doing as christians, they too may belong to his kingdom of this world and subsequently in the next world as well.

So it is important that we don’t judge people being good or bad unless it is quite obvious.
For Jesus loves all mankind, and that means every one, each person, and he calls them all to belong to his kingdom to be happy forever.

I know this may sound rather simple, but that is just what it is, a simple call to each and every person to love as Jesus loves.

Just some thoughts.
 
**Originally Posted by Atheistic_man View Post
We all know that some persons call themselves christians. But we also know the history of christianity. We know how many persons were killed like witches or because they put a cross on themselve with two fingers (Old Believers vs Nikonians).

We all have heard about sex scandals in catholic church. Maybe you have heard about habits in orthodox church.

.So I want to ask: Why we need the christianity if it doesent make people better?**

Christianity makes a lot of people a lot better. You apparently only want to cite the people who don’t take their Christianity seriously. 😉
 
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