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False dichotomy.
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I suspect the hurdle is the Baptists probably think that Rome teaches salvation by works.
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I think most Baptists believe they rely on the Bible, alone, while Catholics add in lots of untrustworthy tradition and human authority. They think some Catholics might be saved, but only in spite of the “extra baggage”. The best way I respond is to ask them to look more closely at their own sources: how was their NT canon chosen, and by whom; if it now closed, who closed the canon, and by what authority. How, when and why was their convention (denomination) developed? I ask them why Baptists interpret the Bible differently among themselves, and differently from other Sola Scriptura churches. If this can be done in a friendly way, they might see how they themselves are influenced by tradition and human authority, also.
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POJIUJH
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Nono, it could be conscious for some but I wasn’t assuming most. The very same is with any anti-Catholic group protestant or otherwise, they all heap the lies fast and thick because they know it’s the only way to treat something infallible. The devil knows that if people genuinely inquire then they will see what Catholicism really is (Matt 7:8-9 would be fitting) so he works instead to make people not want to approach it. It’s his own tactic even though they might not understand what they are doing.
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You’re basing your view on a very small sample size.Not all Baptists think that. The majority of my family are Baptists. They are happy that I am a young adult who attends a church, since so many don’t. I had one person to tell me that Catholics aren’t Christian, but that person isn’t religious at all.
Again, there’s a whole ministry (through the Southern Baptist Convention) that is devoted to converting Catholics from their Harlot-of-Babylon ways…
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cajunhillbilly
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I get so mad when I hear the statement Catholic or Christian. The Baptists have doubts about devote and orthodox Anglicans and Lutherans too. They even have doubts about Presbyterians at times. Oh well.
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KendraDZ1902
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I’m going to base my opinion on my personal experience.
I didn’t give a % I said, “Not all Baptists think like that.” Since the majority of my family is Baptist and they haven’t came up to me telling me horrible things, it is safe to say that not all Baptists think that Catholics are non-Christians.
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mlz
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Oh yes, this I know to be true.
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codefro
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Cause they don’t read history books?
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stewstew03
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Okay… my comment about the sample size was tongue-in-cheek, but I think you took it literally.I’m going to base my opinion on my personal experience.
Even if your family wasn’t Baptist, I think it would be safe to say that not ALL Baptists think X, Y, or Z. I think most people over the age of 8 understand the fallaciousness of making such broad and sweeping generalizations…
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KendraDZ1902
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I don’t understand why you quoted me to begin with then. Maybe because I said not all do you decided to single me out?Okay… my comment about the sample size was tongue-in-cheek, but I think you took it literally.
Even if your family wasn’t Baptist, I think it would be safe to say that not ALL Baptists think X, Y, or Z. I think most people over the age of 8 understand the fallaciousness of making such broad and sweeping generalizations…
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andrewstx
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Exactly. I was raised in a half southern Baptist/half accapella “church of Christ” family. They fought like cats and dogs both thinking their were no Christians outside their respective denominations. But the one thing they did agree with is the idea that Catholics are not Christians.
According to them the only thing that matters is “gettin’ saved”. You can be baptized every day, receive Holy Communion every day. But if you didn’t “get saved” it matters not.
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mark_a
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The Trail of Blood is popular among Baptists. It tells the story of how the Catholic Church persecuted Baptists from the git-go.
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FabiusMaximus
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Not all are like that. Perhaps in the most traditionalist congregations, but certainly not a majority. At least not anymore. And especially no more than certain Catholics who interpret extra ecclesiam nulla salus to mean that all non-Catholics are essentially condemned. Yes, such Catholics do exist. And yes, I’ve had experience with them. The shoe does fit the Catholic foot as well.
What makes a lot of Evangelicals skeptical about the Catholic Church is that some perceive that many Catholics are simply “going through the motions” to receive the sacraments, but without really having their heart in the faith. Additionally, many believe that the intercession of the saints can occasionally take precedence over Christ, and that Catholic “works” reduces the sufficiency of Christ’s sacrifice.
Individuals from all sides misinterpret or can be arrogant with regards to other Christian groups. I think that, above all, should be what is recognized.
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Cat
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Perhaps this was stated earlier in the thread and I missed it.
There are hundreds, perhaps thousands, of different kinds of Baptists.
Years ago, when we were still Protestant (Conference Baptists), my husband and I were considering attending the huge Christian conference called “Urbana.” (Mention it to any Evangelical Protestant around the world, and they’ll know what you’re talking about.)
There was a section on the application for “religion”, and a long list (pages) of different religions. I’m pretty certain “Catholic” was listed, along with all the different rites of Catholicism. (This was a very thorough application, since so many people from all over the world attended Urbana back then.)
But the list of various types of Baptists went on for several pages. It was rather overwhelming! Sure enough, our denomination, “Conference Baptist” was listed, along with hundreds of other Baptists, many of which we had never heard of!
It is part of the nature of being “Baptist”–splitting away when there is disagreement is considered a GOOD thing by Baptists! As for Jesus’ high-priestly prayer in John 17, Baptists would say that even though we attend different churches and fellowships, Christians are still all “ONE CHURCH” under Jesus Christ. In other words, Baptists (and most other Protestant denominations) do not accept the idea of an earthly Church of Jesus Christ headed by human beings.
If you are interested in reading a great book by an intellectual Baptist, read Being the Body, by Chuck Colson (RIP). Colson was a Baptist, but his wonderful book, which is very easy to read, BTW, calls for unity between Christians around the world. This book contributed greatly to my decision to convert to Catholicism, and I highly recommend it to Protestants AND Catholics.
There are hundreds, perhaps thousands, of different kinds of Baptists.
Years ago, when we were still Protestant (Conference Baptists), my husband and I were considering attending the huge Christian conference called “Urbana.” (Mention it to any Evangelical Protestant around the world, and they’ll know what you’re talking about.)
There was a section on the application for “religion”, and a long list (pages) of different religions. I’m pretty certain “Catholic” was listed, along with all the different rites of Catholicism. (This was a very thorough application, since so many people from all over the world attended Urbana back then.)
But the list of various types of Baptists went on for several pages. It was rather overwhelming! Sure enough, our denomination, “Conference Baptist” was listed, along with hundreds of other Baptists, many of which we had never heard of!
It is part of the nature of being “Baptist”–splitting away when there is disagreement is considered a GOOD thing by Baptists! As for Jesus’ high-priestly prayer in John 17, Baptists would say that even though we attend different churches and fellowships, Christians are still all “ONE CHURCH” under Jesus Christ. In other words, Baptists (and most other Protestant denominations) do not accept the idea of an earthly Church of Jesus Christ headed by human beings.
If you are interested in reading a great book by an intellectual Baptist, read Being the Body, by Chuck Colson (RIP). Colson was a Baptist, but his wonderful book, which is very easy to read, BTW, calls for unity between Christians around the world. This book contributed greatly to my decision to convert to Catholicism, and I highly recommend it to Protestants AND Catholics.
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Why do Baptists say Catholics are not Christians?
I think they dont understand that Scripture and Tradition go hand in hand. They feel like we are worshiping idols and such but we do not. We give honor and thanks for all that came before us and endured hardships we cannot fathom.
I think they dont understand that Scripture and Tradition go hand in hand. They feel like we are worshiping idols and such but we do not. We give honor and thanks for all that came before us and endured hardships we cannot fathom.
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PJM
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My friend; Fundalmentalist christians hold that they alone are saved and right.
This requires ignoring both History and the Bible, and is illogical to boot. Certainly Christ did not wait for Calvin and then hundreds of years later; the Leaders of the Fundalmentalist Movement to introduce His [singular] truths. That is the position they must hold.
Further they claim a right [usurped] and unblblical to-boot; that soem how the CC has been disqualified as Christ One God; One Faith in One Chuurch which are all biblically provable. For this to be a reality[its not:blush:] Christ; our Perfect God would have had to change His mind or lied:
Mt. 10: 1-8 "And having called his twelve disciples together, he gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of diseases, and all manner of infirmities. And the names of the twelve apostles are these: The first, Simon who is called Peter, and …** These twelve Jesus sent: commanding them, saying: Go ye** … Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out devils: freely have you received, freely give.
Mt. 16:18-19 “And I Your PERFECT God] say to thee: YOU”! That thou art Peter; and upon this rock [You Peter] I will build my church**,[singular] and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give to thee [You-Peter ALONE!] the keys of the kingdom of heaven. "
Then just before Assending back to heaven Christ Proclaimed the following:
Mk. 16: 14-15 "At length he [Jesus] appeared to the eleven as they were at table: and he upbraided them with their incredulity and hardness of heart, because they did not believe them who had seen him after he was risen again. And he said to them: Go ye into the whole world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mt. 28:16-20 “And the eleven disciples [Apostles] went into Galilee, unto the mountain where Jesus had appointed them. And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. [YOU Apostles] Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world”
THIS COMMAND AND MANDATE IS FROM GOD DIRECTLY TO AND ONLY TOO THE APOSTLES AND THROUGH THEM BY ABSOLUTE NECESSITY TO ‘TEACH THE ENTIRE WORLD WHAT I GOD TAUGHT TO YOU’ ; TO TODAYS CC. NO OTHER FAITH CAN MAKE THIS CLAIN IN TRUTH
**So friend; we do not have to listen them; they need to hear what our Perfect God has said and DONE. AMEN!:**thumbsup:
ONLY THE CC HAS THE HOLY SPIRIT [JOHN 20;21-22] and CHRIST HIMSELF AS WARRANTY OF ONLY THE TRUTHS OF GOD…no other faith can make and support this claim.
John 17:15-20 “I pray not that thou shouldst take them out of the world, but that thou shouldst keep them from evil.They are not of the world, as I also am not of the world. Sanctify them in truth.[God cannot deny His own prayer request!] Thy word is truth. As thou hast sent me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. And for them do I sanctify myself, that they also may be sanctified in truth. And not for them only do I pray, but for them also who through their word shall believe in me”
Fact; truth God and the Bible ALL support the Catholic Position. Sadly for some; that’s insufficient evidence.
Know and Defend our Faith; don’t be quick to comprimise. Truth is SINGULAR.**
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joe370
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Who founded the Baptist church, and when? If not Jesus circa AD 33, on Pentecost, then why would I trust the Baptist claim about the Catholic Church?
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I can’t quite make out the part in red. LOL…LOL…My friend; Fundalmentalist christians hold that they alone are saved and right.
This requires ignoring both History and the Bible, and is illogical to boot. Certainly Christ did not wait for Calvin and then hundreds of years later; the Leaders of the Fundalmentalist Movement to introduce His [singular] truths. That is the position they must hold.
Further they claim a right [usurped] and unblblical to-boot; that soem how the CC has been disqualified as Christ One God; One Faith in One Chuurch which are all biblically provable. For this to be a reality[its not:blush:] Christ; our Perfect God would have had to change His mind or lied:
Mt. 10: 1-8 "And having called his twelve disciples together, he gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of diseases, and all manner of infirmities. And the names of the twelve apostles are these: The first, Simon who is called Peter, and …** These twelve Jesus sent: commanding them, saying: Go ye** … Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out devils: freely have you received, freely give.
Mt. 16:18-19 “And I Your PERFECT God] say to thee: YOU”! That thou art Peter; and upon this rock [You Peter] I will build my church**,[singular**] and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give to thee [You-Peter ALONE!] the keys of the kingdom of heaven. "
Then just before Assending back to heaven Christ Proclaimed the following:
Mk. 16: 14-15 "At length he [Jesus] appeared to the eleven as they were at table: and he upbraided them with their incredulity and hardness of heart, because they did not believe them who had seen him after he was risen again. And he said to them: Go ye into the whole world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mt. 28:16-20 “And the eleven disciples [Apostles] went into Galilee, unto the mountain where Jesus had appointed them. And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. [YOU Apostles] Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world”
THIS COMMAND AND MANDATE IS FROM GOD DIRECTLY TO AND ONLY TOO THE APOSTLES AND THROUGH THEM BY ABSOLUTE NECESSITY TO ‘TEACH THE ENTIRE WORLD WHAT I GOD TAUGHT TO YOU’ ; TO TODAYS CC. NO OTHER FAITH CAN MAKE THIS CLAIN IN TRUTH
**So friend; we do not have to listen them; they need to hear what our Perfect God has said and DONE. AMEN!:**thumbsup:
ONLY THE CC HAS THE HOLY SPIRIT [JOHN 20;21-22] and CHRIST HIMSELF AS WARRANTY OF ONLY THE TRUTHS OF GOD…no other faith can make and support this claim.
John 17:15-20 “I pray not that thou shouldst take them out of the world, but that thou shouldst keep them from evil.They are not of the world, as I also am not of the world. Sanctify them in truth.[God cannot deny His own prayer request!] Thy word is truth. As thou hast sent me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. And for them do I sanctify myself, that they also may be sanctified in truth. [And not for them only do I pray, but for them also who through their word shall believe in me”
Fact; truth God and the Bible ALL support the Catholic Position. Sadly for some; that’s insufficient evidence.
Know and Defend our Faith; don’t be quick to comprimise. Truth is SINGULAR.
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