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This is a thread asking why believers use one set of rules for Humanity, and another set of rules for God. I’m going to list the inconsistencies below:
Lying: "“Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened” (Matthew 7:7-8).
Of course, virtually everyone knows the above biblical verse is not true. Those who believe try and “worm their way out” by saying that a prayer is dependent on God’s will, and it is ultimately God’s will that is done. But nowhere in these verses, or those to follow, does it suggest that an answered prayer is dependent on God’s will. This amounts to lying by omission - lying by deliberately leaving out a crucial truth. This is punishable by law in some jurisdictions. Businesses can be sued for such an action. Yet believers believe this is somehow acceptable for the one who they worship, the one who is supposed to be the bastion of virtue. We find similar empty promises and statements with devotions such as the rosary: “You shall obtain all you ask of me by the recitation of the Rosary” (11th Promise).
Deadbeat dad: “Now the length of time the Israelite people lived in Egypt was 430 years” (Exodus 12:40).
Israel, God’s people, spent 430 years (although some sources suggest 400) years in captivity. This was willingly allowed by God for no good apparent reason. Believers will respond by saying suffering is good (a maxim that defies human nature) and that God is right for having left the Israelites in bondage for so long. If an earthly father, on the other hand, left his child and did not see him, he would be regarded as a deadbeat dad. He would be an abomination. He would be insulted, degraded and possibly spat at. He would be displayed on the Maury show like a circus animal. Even Jesus wonders why his father would forsake him: ““Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?”–which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” (Matthew 27:46). Again, we find that one set of rules is used for Humanity, and another set of rules is used for God.
Drugs and the Garden of Eden: “"The serpent deceived me, and I ate” (Genesis 3:14)
Scripture tells us that God threw Satan out of Heaven: “Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you!” (Revelation 2:12). Satan ended up in the Garden of Eden. Adam and Eve gave into sin by doing what God told them not to do. They are punished for it. Yet if a parent left drugs or prescribed medicine on the table that is easily accessible for children, the parents would be punished for it. No “free will” argument will make their excuses any more believable. Indeed, we find today that the crux of Dr. Conrad Murray’s case is about why he would leave strong drugs with strong effects in the midst of Michael Jackson, knowing that Michael Jackson was an addict. It begs the question, why would God leave Satan in the midst of Adam and Eve, knowing they would be tempted? Why put them in that situation. There is no distinction between God and grossly negligent parent who leaves drugs on the table that is easily accessible for the children to obtain. Same goes with firearms, 18+ material, and so on and so forth.
Jihad: “On the day the LORD gave the Amorites over to Israel, Joshua said to the LORD in the presence of Israel: “O sun, stand still over Gibeon, O moon, over the Valley of Aijalon.” So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies, as it is written in the Book of Jashar” (Joshua 10:12-13).
Not much needs to be said here other than this is not different from Islamists who believe Allah is on their side. And of course, Joshua defeats his enemies, and this was with God’s help. This is God permitting what is probably best summed up as “biblical jihad”, the same God who goes on to say: “But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also” (Matthew 5:39)
There are many other examples. Too many to list. The question is, why do believers use one set of rules for Humanity, and another set of rules for God?
Thank you in advance.
Lying: "“Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened” (Matthew 7:7-8).
Of course, virtually everyone knows the above biblical verse is not true. Those who believe try and “worm their way out” by saying that a prayer is dependent on God’s will, and it is ultimately God’s will that is done. But nowhere in these verses, or those to follow, does it suggest that an answered prayer is dependent on God’s will. This amounts to lying by omission - lying by deliberately leaving out a crucial truth. This is punishable by law in some jurisdictions. Businesses can be sued for such an action. Yet believers believe this is somehow acceptable for the one who they worship, the one who is supposed to be the bastion of virtue. We find similar empty promises and statements with devotions such as the rosary: “You shall obtain all you ask of me by the recitation of the Rosary” (11th Promise).
Deadbeat dad: “Now the length of time the Israelite people lived in Egypt was 430 years” (Exodus 12:40).
Israel, God’s people, spent 430 years (although some sources suggest 400) years in captivity. This was willingly allowed by God for no good apparent reason. Believers will respond by saying suffering is good (a maxim that defies human nature) and that God is right for having left the Israelites in bondage for so long. If an earthly father, on the other hand, left his child and did not see him, he would be regarded as a deadbeat dad. He would be an abomination. He would be insulted, degraded and possibly spat at. He would be displayed on the Maury show like a circus animal. Even Jesus wonders why his father would forsake him: ““Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?”–which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” (Matthew 27:46). Again, we find that one set of rules is used for Humanity, and another set of rules is used for God.
Drugs and the Garden of Eden: “"The serpent deceived me, and I ate” (Genesis 3:14)
Scripture tells us that God threw Satan out of Heaven: “Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you!” (Revelation 2:12). Satan ended up in the Garden of Eden. Adam and Eve gave into sin by doing what God told them not to do. They are punished for it. Yet if a parent left drugs or prescribed medicine on the table that is easily accessible for children, the parents would be punished for it. No “free will” argument will make their excuses any more believable. Indeed, we find today that the crux of Dr. Conrad Murray’s case is about why he would leave strong drugs with strong effects in the midst of Michael Jackson, knowing that Michael Jackson was an addict. It begs the question, why would God leave Satan in the midst of Adam and Eve, knowing they would be tempted? Why put them in that situation. There is no distinction between God and grossly negligent parent who leaves drugs on the table that is easily accessible for the children to obtain. Same goes with firearms, 18+ material, and so on and so forth.
Jihad: “On the day the LORD gave the Amorites over to Israel, Joshua said to the LORD in the presence of Israel: “O sun, stand still over Gibeon, O moon, over the Valley of Aijalon.” So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies, as it is written in the Book of Jashar” (Joshua 10:12-13).
Not much needs to be said here other than this is not different from Islamists who believe Allah is on their side. And of course, Joshua defeats his enemies, and this was with God’s help. This is God permitting what is probably best summed up as “biblical jihad”, the same God who goes on to say: “But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also” (Matthew 5:39)
There are many other examples. Too many to list. The question is, why do believers use one set of rules for Humanity, and another set of rules for God?
Thank you in advance.
Catholic come here behaving like none of these questions had ever crossed his mind? The lack of human understanding in the things of God is an age old question posed by people for thousands of years, it’s actually a Biblical thing and I can’t believe a former devout Catholic wouldn’t know the Biblical response to such an old query. Have you not even read the Bible that you don’t know the answer to this type of question?