I don’t. To all Catholics on this, stop stereotyping Muslims. Not all them are terrorists, just like not all priests are pedophiles.As title suggests… Discuss
I don’t know all muslims but I do know islam and I choose not to trust the adherants until I have a good reason. I don’t know all the inmates in the prison at Pelican Bay ,California either but for safety, they must all be lumped together.
One could make the exact same arguments against Christians and ChristianityIn view of historical events…current or ancient, are there any reasons to trust muslims?..Just askin’
Since I am not actively involved in persecuting anyone or physically attacking people because of their religion or national origin…I can understand why you wouldn’t care for me. I want you to be assured that I will not be sobbing in my pillow over your odd and misplaced sympathies.I’m so glad I dont know you.
Ok…easy question for you. Name some of the countries where muslims are being persecuted by Christians? Where muslim citizens are denied freedom of worship by Christians…where mosques are being damaged by Christian mobs…where muslim citizens are being attacked by Christians? Please cite the part of the Bible or any other Christian code which commands or even encourages the hatred of muslims? Name the Biblical equal of the Koranic words"…there is a Jew behind that tree…kill him."?
You fail to compartmentalize. You just lump the entire religion with countries that persecute Christians, but when was the last time you were behind a tree and a Muslim said, “darn…I guess I have no choice?” You are doing yourself a disservice by doing that. Christians don’t persecute any longer, but we tried to execute Martin Luther because he disagreed and was labeled a heretic. We had crusades etc. We don’t have a squeaky clean history as far as violence is concerned, but that doesn’t mean that we are a bad religion or that Christians are bad people just because those Papacies condoned violence.
You failed to answer my question. And you accuse me of lumping an entire religion with the fact that it’s adherants are persecuting Christians and other religions. How do YOU judge whether something is “good or bad”? The Crusades were not pretty but neither were they what some would describe and neither are they very topical. We are talking 1000 years here.
So you hate Muslims because they kill Christians? You have to be kidding. So you wouldn’t trust a Catholic in 1520 because they were trying to kill Martin Luther or 1000 years ago? Let me ask you one question: why did St. Francis not get murdered by the Muslims?You failed to answer my question. And you accuse me of lumping an entire religion with the fact that it’s adherants are persecuting Christians and other religions. How do YOU judge whether something is “good or bad”? The Crusades were not pretty but neither were they what some would describe and neither are they very topical. We are talking 1000 years here.
I repeat my question which you have not even attempted to answer. You gave the challenge to yourself and I ask you to name the countries where Muslims are persecuted by Christians? Do you not care that Christians are being murdered because they are Christians…is this religious tolerance?
Because Muslims as a whole are a threat to Christians’ and Jew’s freedom, and actually anyone not muslim. One can’t deny this when simply looking at muslim-run countries that impose muslim law on all citizens. So denying that this perception is not rreasonable is just being dishonest. While Catholics (and Jews) have evolved over time, the muslims have not. They are still cutting the hands off “accused” thieves, shaming and/or killing rape victims, stoning “accused” fornicators and adulterers, victimizing anyone who does not follow muslim laws, wanting to war against anyone not muslim, stiflng the growth and development of their society, etc. They are confined by their location and by the freedom of the rest of the world to not have to accept their laws. But they’re still a threat because they seem to have a goal of world domination and the spread of Islam…kind of like a horse of a different color imoho…but again, the Christian culture has changed over time, and the muslim culture has not.As title suggests… Discuss
I agree that labeling the actual group would be acceptable. Communists, who happen to be atheist, who also limit religion are known as communists, not atheists. You know what I mean? That was probably a bad example, but in short, I agree.
Perhaps the term Muslim is used to broadly. If a ‘Basque separatist’ commits an act of terror we don’t refer to his faith, be it Catholic, Protestant even Humanist. It may be because the act was to do with his political stance so he is named accordingly. If that is so - and seems fairly reasonable - then we should name people that do these things as Saudi - if their government is actually oppressing Christians -or whatever, or we could say Arab nationalist if it’s that political driver or even Islamist to identify the religio political movement as opposed to normative Islam.
What you think?
You find the word “hate” in any of my posts and if so bring it to my attention or correct the accusation. You speak as if I don’t know anything about the creation of men by God. There is a manner of thinking that I believe is called “new age”…but whatever it is called, when people refuse to recognize things as good or bad. The usual position is “who are we to judge”? I think you might…I say might, benefit from a conversation with a Christian victim of muslim violence toward Christians. I have had about 6 of these conversations and they are tragic and scary. One of these is an ethnic Chinese Catholic lady who fled Indonesis because of real threats…you do know that Indonesia is the largest islamic country in the world? Yea, I thought so… If you call my position of recognizing the danger and threat of islam and being vocal and honest about it as “persecution”…you are simply so wrong it is incredible. You have not answered the challenge you gave yourself by naming the persecution of muslims by Christians…only old bromides about crusades. You talk about not judging individuals as if what they profess has no meaning. You have not addressed situations where huge mobs of muslims in islamic coutries have burned Churches with Christians inside. You write this off as if it was an assasination involving 1 renegade muslim. If we are to judge people who say that they hate Jews and wish to exterminate all Jews…but they haven’t actually harmed one yet…I suppose that individual is welcome to come over for dinner and a drink? You are in the annoying habit of misquoting and mis characterizing what I say. I said in my original post that trusting a muslim comes to me as a result of one showing that he can be trusted…and this is not theory, it is something I have practised in real life…not in a college class room.
I met a Palestinian Muslim who had all his teeth knocked out by Israeli soldiers, he thanked Allah because sometimes - he said - he bad mouths people and it was a good reminder. You can find people anywhere my friend if you want. However, individual cases are neither here nor there, it’s trends we’re interested in isn’t it.