Why do Catholics leave Jesus "on the Cross" & Protestants do not?

[Vic_Taltrees_UK]

Interestingly John Wycliffe had serious problems with the divinity of Jesus Christ, he reintroduced arianism into his theology. Trinitarian Protestants will often consider him an affiliate hero (as they will often do the cathar/albigensians), little realizing that he is also a hero of JWs and christadelphians causes.

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This is a horrendous phenomenon. Wycliffe - the probabilists - the “Spiritual Franciscans” who had scruples about other people’s property - the Jansenists and Berulleans - sadly their present day representatives are everywhere including in “Catholic” garb. Present-day uncritical Wycliffe followers are falling into the same trap as they fail to criticise the so-called “Catholic” followers of the same of falling into, but they blame those of us not guilty of it for the fault of those who are but whom they absolve.

 

[PJM]

Well, the first reason is to be different. I have found Protestants go out of their way to do anything as long as it’s different from what Catholics do. It was John Wycliffe in England who promoted private interpretation of scripture, if I’m not mistaken. but, what he REALLY meant was, any interpretation of scripture was OK with him EXCEPT a Catholic interpretation. His heresy was probably why his bones were dug up and burned 40 years after his death. The Church was really mad at him.

I think it was Luther who began this practice as well as Sola Scriptura

I do agree with your understanding of any but a Catholic understanding; BUT only to a much more limited manner… He still believed in One God and some other beliefs as well.

St. Paul says someplace, that all he know is Christ, and Him crucified.

It’s easy for Western Rite Catholics to forget the other 17 rites in the Church, where Christ’s resurrection is emphasized more. So, not exactly correct to say “Catholics” do such and such until you check out the other rites.

Thanks, good point.

BUT Jesus gave the keys’s [all of them] to Peter

I think the Eastern Catholic rites, like the byzantine, use leavened bread for the Eucharist, too.

these facts make your question more complicated.

THIS issue is one of Church Practice, which are changeable, even though it is legislated in the RCC.

God Bless you

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[Wannano]

Essentially words are easy. Responses are easy. Words will only fail if we have no answer to give.

You are right in the above sentences. All, absolutely ALL I have no answer to give is in direct relationship only to the action of the Church digging up his bones and cremating them forty years after his death. It must have made sense to someone but I have no answer.

 

[Peebo]

What is it with some Protestants who have a problem with a crucifix…if it were not for the fact that Christ took upon himself the sins of mankind and chose to suffer and die for us on a cross…then there would be no empty cross…for there would be no cross at all to begin with…get over your childish anti Catholic prejudice.

 

[MichaelP3]

What is it with some Protestants who have a problem with a crucifix…if it were not for the fact that Christ took upon himself the sins of mankind and chose to suffer and die for us on a cross…then there would be no empty cross…for there would be no cross at all to begin with…get over your childish anti Catholic prejudice.

I suspect you are on the wrong forum? Here we refrain from name calling or resort to an attacking (mostly) nature. And before you say anything to me, see my post some time ago on this thread, I actually have a crucifix (bought at a Catholic Convent) hanging in my home.

Regards

 

[Darryl_B]

I suspect you are on the wrong forum? Here we refrain from name calling or resort to an attacking (mostly) nature. And before you say anything to me, see my post some time ago on this thread, I actually have a crucifix (bought at a Catholic Convent) hanging in my home.

Regards

Quantify “some”, what does the word “some” mean?, that is what Peebo said, “some protestant” he did not use the word “all” in lower or upper caps, nor did he use it more than once in quick succession. If you are not part of that “some”, why be so sensitive?

 

[Darryl_B]

You are right in the above sentences. All, absolutely ALL I have no answer to give is in direct relationship only to the action of the Church digging up his bones and cremating them forty years after his death. It must have made sense to someone but I have no answer.

It is actually very easy to understand, if one knows the Christian history of relics, and the Christian recognition of the past, and the family nature of the Church. We all are like that it some way, in our natural family, I for instance have a tea-set once belonging to my grandmother who I never met. Heretic will not be regarded with unwarranted nostalgia or a champion of a faith. That is ALL. It is true in the last 50 years we have developed a disassociation from the past and become the here and now generations, I pray my children will not be so ignorant (I mean ignorant as ignoring) of the past.

That is ALL. I don’t want to get off topic.

 

[Darryl_B]

I think it was Luther who began this practice as well as Sola Scriptura.

Luther was not born in a vacuum, he had a dispute initially with propitiation, which I believe was resolvable. He was consequentially then influenced in his dispell by Jan Hus, who had produced the Moravians who later influenced the Anglican Wesley brothers on a ship. It is recognized historically that Jan Hus was influenced by the writings of Wycliffe.

 

[Peebo]

Quantify “some”, what does the word “some” mean?, that is what Peebo said, “some protestant” he did not use the word “all” in lower or upper caps, nor did he use it more than once in quick succession. If you are not part of that “some”, why be so sensitive?

Thank you…I did deliberately say “some” as I also know “some” Protestants who wear a crucifix…and I also know “some” who do take not only a childish attitude but become confrontational as well…I just can’t understand that attitude…what does it really matter if you wear a crucifix…or a cross…if it reminds you of his suffering on that cross…or an empty cross because he is risen…it all represents our salvation through his death and resurrection.

 

[PJM]

Interestingly John Wycliffe had serious problems with the divinity of Jesus Christ, he reintroduced arianism into his theology. Trinitarian Protestants will often consider him an affiliate hero (as they will often do the cathar/albigensians), little realizing that he is also a hero of JWs and christadelphians causes.

So ultimately what is this protestant cause which requires heroes of little or no similarity to themselves, but one common denominator? I can see no real reason other than Triumphalism against the Catholic Church. Seeing that is far easier looking back as a Catholic to the time I was a protestant, than it is to look forward from being a protestant to the Catholic Church.

Essentially words are easy. Responses are easy. Words will only fail if we have no answer to give.

GREAT POST:thumbsup: Thanks

GBY

 

[PJM]

What is it with some Protestants who have a problem with a crucifix…if it were not for the fact that Christ took upon himself the sins of mankind and chose to suffer and die for us on a cross…then there would be no empty cross…for there would be no cross at all to begin with…get over your childish anti Catholic prejudice.

DUH:shrug:

My friend, WHERE is the Christian Charity n your reply:blush:

God Bless you!

 

[PJM]

Luther was not born in a vacuum, he had a dispute initially with propitiation, which I believe was resolvable. He was consequentially then influenced in his dispell by Jan Hus, who had produced the Moravians who later influenced the Anglican Wesley brothers on a ship. It is recognized historically that Jan Hus was influenced by the writings of Wycliffe.

Agreed, and so?

GBY

 

[Darryl_B]

Agreed, and so?

GBY

The question you pose (not in this post but the OP) would have been obsolete if it were not for the perfect storm of events and spheres of influence, and ship-wreck.

 

[Darryl_B]

Agreed, and so?

GBY

The lesson I learn from all this history is that maybe just the Catholic Church always knew what they were talking about, that being deep in history is to be Catholic, but I do reiterate a point I made, it is easy to see that as a Catholic, looking back to times as a protestant, rather than being in those times as a protestant looking forward to the Catholic Church.

 

[langohio2]

Interestingly John Wycliffe had serious problems with the divinity of Jesus Christ, he reintroduced arianism into his theology. Trinitarian Protestants will often consider him an affiliate hero (as they will often do the cathar/albigensians), little realizing that he is also a hero of JWs and christadelphians causes.

Could you help me with a source for this? Everything I’ve read indicates Wycliffe defended the doctrine of the Trinity: this was one aspect of his teaching that was not original, but derived primarily from Augustine. In fact, the idea that the Son of God is the pre-existent Logos is central in his theology.

 

[Darryl_B]

Could you help me with a source for this? Everything I’ve read indicates Wycliffe defended the doctrine of the Trinity: this was one aspect of his teaching that was not original, but derived primarily from Augustine. In fact, the idea that the Son of God is the pre-existent Logos is central in his theology.

It is something I read some time ago. I don’t usually record all sources in the footnotes of my brain, probably because I read a lot of books. If I looked back through my library borrowing history I might be able to find it.

 

[PJM]

The question you pose (not in this post but the OP) would have been obsolete if it were not for the perfect storm of events and spheres of influence, and ship-wreck.

Perhaps?

But God is in charge and nothing, not one thing happens by “luck” or mere coincedience

God Bless you and thanks

 

[PJM]

The lesson I learn from all this history is that maybe just the Catholic Church always knew what they were talking about, that being deep in history is to be Catholic, but I do reiterate a point I made, it is easy to see that as a Catholic, looking back to times as a protestant, rather than being in those times as a protestant looking forward to the Catholic Church.

THANK YOU!

Very insightful!

GBY

 

[rinnie]

Jesus on the cross reminds us of two things. Our sins that put him there, and the suffering he did to pay for those sins.

 

[PJM]

Jesus on the cross reminds us of two things. Our sins that put him there, and the suffering he did to pay for those sins.

AMEN!