Why do catholics see economic more important than life?

[tee]

I don’t get it…For those who called themselves practicing catholics or in general Christians how are they be able to place economic reason over life issue?

What bother me the most is that my own relatives and friends are like that. I have used all my saliva to the point it’s drying up and I still couldn’t convince them. I sometimes couldn’t help feeling like I don’t want to talk to them because it’s upsetting me. I don’t know what to do.

I used to wonder how Hitler was able to convince people to commit genocide for him, now I understand. With a blinding effect and soothsaying, then people would fall right into it.

 

[Feanaro_s_Wife]

I think it is because it is easy to see the ramification of the economy on our own lives. Life issues are more of an abstract concept. I doubt that people like Terri Shiavo’s parents/family place the economy higher on their list of priorities.

 

[brshooter]

I don’t understand it either. I guess I would rather be broke and have my faith than to be morally bankrupt.

 

[tee]

I truly think that when you have your eyes set on God, things will work out for you no matter what. Granted it’ll be a hard road, but I think it gives you a lot of peace.

I’ve seen other families that are broken, and I think that’s because their families are not united in Christ.

So trusting in God, then He’ll fix your economy problem, but do the wrong things and He’ll not be with you and that’s when all things fall apart.

 

[BabyDoll4]

I truly think that when you have your eyes set on God, things will work out for you no matter what. Granted it’ll be a hard road, but I think it gives you a lot of peace.

I’ve seen other families that are broken, and I think that’s because their families are not united in Christ.

So trusting in God, then He’ll fix your economy problem, but do the wrong things and He’ll not be with you and that’s when all things fall apart.

I whole heartedly agree. My husband and I were just discussing this a couple of days ago. We are new restaurant owners (been open for 8 weeks now) and there were a couple of weeks were business was s.l.o.w. I mean uber slow. There were a couple of nights we only had five tables all night. Anyway, this was hard for us because this is our only means of income. We were getting really discouraged and almost in a panic; that we were going to have to close our doors. But then he had taken a moment to go outside a pray. The answer to him was, “In due time.” We had to remind ourselves why we started the business; because God led us to this small town and opened the door for us to have our restaurant. However, we also had to remember to be totally detached of the things of this world and remain focused on Him. It is so easy to get caught up in the economy because money affects every part of our lives. However, we must seek first His kingdom, and all things (those that we need) will be given to us. Luke 12:22-34.

 

[elts1956]

I don’t get it…For those who called themselves practicing catholics or in general Christians how are they be able to place economic reason over life issue?

What bother me the most is that my own relatives and friends are like that. I have used all my saliva to the point it’s drying up and I still couldn’t convince them. I sometimes couldn’t help feeling like I don’t want to talk to them because it’s upsetting me. I don’t know what to do.

I used to wonder how Hitler was able to convince people to commit genocide for him, now I understand. With a blinding effect and soothsaying, then people would fall right into it.

Suggestion. Show graphic pictures to them of aborted babies. They won’t like it. But that is abortion. What can I say?

 

[Brenda_V]

Honestly, this is the first election since I was old enough to vote that my parents are not looking at economy first - I am 40 and have been voting since I was 18 - that is 32 years, 8 Presidential election cycles!

My mom always accused me of being a “one issue voter” because I always looked at the life issue first and then the rest. Then she accused me of being “rich” because I tended to vote Republican because they used to be more pro-life than the Democrats (go figure, I am a registered Independant and if she had to register in her State she would be too!) This year though, the choices are Obama or McCain. McCain is a big time war hero (plus in my moms book). he has far more experience than Obama and he is Pro-life (the last thing she looks at). What is interesting is she now has friends her age who are very pro-life and she doesn’t come down near as hard on me as she used to about it . When she told me she and dad got the shingles vaccine and I told her I wouldn’t get it because it was developed on an aborted fetus she was shocked because her friends never told her this (my guess is they are not as radical as I am or they just didn’t know and are of an age to trust the government in okaying something that is safe!)

As a matter of fact when I went to my nephews wedding we were all sitting around the kitchen table, my sister, bil, his brother and wife, my dad and my mom - they were all spouting off the sound bites against the war, things like “they didn’t ask us to come over there”, I pointed out how they had, read any of the articles written by the men and women who have gone over there and you will see that their experience with the Iraquies is different from what the mass media wants us to hear - their voices are being silenced - I got wide eyes and “really?” Then of course the WMD never being found came up, I pointed out how those WMD’s were poisons and easly destroyed or moved around and there was one semi found with traces in it- which the mass meida only touched on and if you weren’t listening at just the right moment you missed it. More wide eyes and “really?”

So many have to rely on the mass media for their news so they don’t get the little nuances those of us here on the CAF get and then there are some here who just want to ignore that information!

Remember the true story of “Yes Virginia there is a Santa Claus”? The little girl is told by her daddy that “if you see it in The Sun (a prominent newspaper of the time) it’s so” We all want to be little Virginia and believe what our news media tells us and we no longer have just “The Suns” of the area we have MSN and Fox and CBS and… all of whom tend to tell the story the same with the exception of Fox who is just slightly less liberal.

Are we gullible, or lazy or just so time constrained we can’t do the research we should to find out the true story behind the news bite.

Brenda V.

 

[Cat]

I’m not sure I understand the question.

First, are you asking if Catholics see economic ISSUES as more important than life ISSUES? Your title just says “economic” and “life”. I don’t understand that grammar.

Second, I don’t have the impression that Catholics see economic issues as more important that life issues. I think that many different groups, not just Catholics, see the economic issues as more important than life issues.

Most of us are not faced on a daily basis with life issues such as abortion, euthanasia, death penalty, and stem cell research.

What we face everyday is going to work, keeping our jobs, paying our bills, and deciding how we will handle things when we don’t have enough money to cover all our needs, wants, and desires. (We give up the desires, try to save for the wants, and buy only the needs.)

Sometimes people who don’t have responsibilities for these everyday things, e.g., young people, don’t understand why mom and dad obsess so much over the economy and don’t care about the man who will die in the electric chair next week. When they grow up and get jobs of their own, then they understand.

When something comes along to place someone in the position where the life issues confront them directly, then they will truly care about life issues. E.g., their daughter announces that she is getting an abortion, or they contract Parkinson’s Disease and are told that embyronic stem cell research might have a cure for them.

But until they are actually confronted with it in their own faces, most people, Catholics and non-Catholics, have a hard time getting passionate about life issues when they are struggling to pay off their debts and wondering if they will have a place to live when they are old.

In the case of the abortion issue, the Catholic Church has taken away the need for “passion” or “personal involvement” and has made it clear that in this issue, it is “obedience” that is important. Whether we are passionate or not about “life issues,” we must obey our Church.

But so many Americans have gotten used to individual “rights” and “making up our own minds” and “following the Holy Spirit in our lives,” or whatever they want to call it, that “obedience” is not something that comes easily.

 

[savienu]

I had a direct experience with this today. My DH and I were at daily Mass, and while we leaving, I saw a car with a “support Obama” sticker on it in the parking lot. Then I saw a Eucharistic minister get in the car and drive away. My DH and I were appalled. Since we don’t know the woman directly to speak with her about it, we called the priest. This priest proceeded to compare the abortion issue to the death penalty issue, saying Catholics can disagree on it! I’m horrified that a priest would say these things. The woman driving the car may be misinformed- but the priest should know better.

Mary Our Mother, pray for us!

 

[elts1956]

I’m not sure I understand the question.

First, are you asking if Catholics see economic ISSUES as more important than life ISSUES? Your title just says “economic” and “life”. I don’t understand that grammar.

Second, I don’t have the impression that Catholics see economic issues as more important that life issues. I think that many different groups, not just Catholics, see the economic issues as more important than life issues.

Most of us are not faced on a daily basis with life issues such as abortion, euthanasia, death penalty, and stem cell research.

What we face everyday is going to work, keeping our jobs, paying our bills, and deciding how we will handle things when we don’t have enough money to cover all our needs, wants, and desires. (We give up the desires, try to save for the wants, and buy only the needs.)

Sometimes people who don’t have responsibilities for these everyday things, e.g., young people, don’t understand why mom and dad obsess so much over the economy and don’t care about the man who will die in the electric chair next week. When they grow up and get jobs of their own, then they understand.

When something comes along to place someone in the position where the life issues confront them directly, then they will truly care about life issues. E.g., their daughter announces that she is getting an abortion, or they contract Parkinson’s Disease and are told that embyronic stem cell research might have a cure for them.

But until they are actually confronted with it in their own faces, most people, Catholics and non-Catholics, have a hard time getting passionate about life issues when they are struggling to pay off their debts and wondering if they will have a place to live when they are old.

In the case of the abortion issue, the Catholic Church has taken away the need for “passion” or “personal involvement” and has made it clear that in this issue, it is “obedience” that is important. Whether we are passionate or not about “life issues,” we must obey our Church.

But so many Americans have gotten used to individual “rights” and “making up our own minds” and “following the Holy Spirit in our lives,” or whatever they want to call it, that “obedience” is not something that comes easily.

Hi Cat. I am very, very passionate about it and it doesn’t have everythng to do with what the Church tells me. One has only to look at the Commandments given by God to Moses to understand there are fundamental issues which cannot be ignored, or chaos results.

Abortion is an INTRINSIC evil for which there is NO justification.

 

[estesbob]

I had a direct experience with this today. My DH and I were at daily Mass, and while we leaving, I saw a car with a “support Obama” sticker on it in the parking lot. Then I saw a Eucharistic minister get in the car and drive away. My DH and I were appalled. Since we don’t know the woman directly to speak with her about it, we called the priest. This priest proceeded to compare the abortion issue to the death penalty issue, saying Catholics can disagree on it! I’m horrified that a priest would say these things. The woman driving the car may be misinformed- but the priest should know better.

Mary Our Mother, pray for us!

You need to contact your Bishop to let them know what the priest said. You also might want to sh your Priest this:

. Not all moral issues have the same moral weight as abortion and euthanasia. For example, if a Catholic were to be at odds with the Holy Father on the application of capital punishment or on the decision to wage war, he would not for that reason be considered unworthy to present himself to receive Holy Communion. While the Church exhorts civil authorities to seek peace, not war, and to exercise discretion and mercy in imposing punishment on criminals, it may still be permissible to take up arms to repel an aggressor or to have recourse to capital punishment. There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not however with regard to abortion and euthanasia.

Then Cardinal ratzinger

priestsforlife.org/magisterium/bishops/04-07ratzingerommunion.htm

 

[elts1956]

I had a direct experience with this today. My DH and I were at daily Mass, and while we leaving, I saw a car with a “support Obama” sticker on it in the parking lot. Then I saw a Eucharistic minister get in the car and drive away. My DH and I were appalled. Since we don’t know the woman directly to speak with her about it, we called the priest. This priest proceeded to compare the abortion issue to the death penalty issue, saying Catholics can disagree on it! I’m horrified that a priest would say these things. The woman driving the car may be misinformed- but the priest should know better.

Mary Our Mother, pray for us!

And some wonder if the Church is in trouble today. With our renegade Bishops, parish priests and parishoners, what chance do we have, unless we who were lucky enough to have our consciences formed when the Church was still strong, or lucky enough to find their own way through the morass facing us, can stick together on the issues so important to the Catholic Faith, Abortion, Euthanasia, Stem Cell Research, Cloning and Homosexual Marriage?

I hope your Bishop is not counted among those “I” call renegade.

Mother Mary pray for us. Christ Jesus be merciful.

 

[tee]

I’m not sure I understand the question.

First, are you asking if Catholics see economic ISSUES as more important than life ISSUES? Your title just says “economic” and “life”. I don’t understand that grammar.

Sorry…I tend to have lazy fingers.
But Yup, that’s what I meant economic issue and life issue.

Second, I don’t have the impression that Catholics see economic issues as more important that life issues. I think that many different groups, not just Catholics, see the economic issues as more important than life issues.

My concern and disappointment is only of Catholics, other groups I can understand why, but Catholics shouldn’t think like that.

Most of us are not faced on a daily basis with life issues such as abortion, euthanasia, death penalty, and stem cell research.

What we face everyday is going to work, keeping our jobs, paying our bills, and deciding how we will handle things when we don’t have enough money to cover all our needs, wants, and desires. (We give up the desires, try to save for the wants, and buy only the needs.)

I agree…and because of that we stray from God and we forget what really is important. Should we be more concern for our body than our soul?

Sometimes people who don’t have responsibilities for these everyday things, e.g., young people, don’t understand why mom and dad obsess so much over the economy and don’t care about the man who will die in the electric chair next week. When they grow up and get jobs of their own, then they understand.

I agree, but I also disagree. Majority of young people nowadays are not pro-life, and majority of those don’t have much responsibilities. It is usually, those that have responsibilities that are also pro-life. Also, remember the story about Mary and Martha. Now tell me, did Jesus tell Mary to go help Martha with the worldly things?

When something comes along to place someone in the position where the life issues confront them directly, then they will truly care about life issues. E.g., their daughter announces that she is getting an abortion, or they contract Parkinson’s Disease and are told that embyronic stem cell research might have a cure for them.

Only then, though not late, much damage has been done. Time is not our best friend, it is our soul we need to worry most about and the souls of our sons and daughters. I just wish more Catholics see it.

In the case of the abortion issue, the Catholic Church has taken away the need for “passion” or “personal involvement” and has made it clear that in this issue, it is “obedience” that is important. Whether we are passionate or not about “life issues,” we must obey our Church.

I think the church has always been passionate about life, it is us catholics who are not fulfilling the “passion” part.

 

[tee]

elts1956 - they have since the pictures, but they still seem unaffected. Makes me kind of wonder if the devil has put his hand over their eyes or not. Anyway, thanks for the suggestion.

BabyDoll4 - I’m sorry to hear about your business, and am glad for your spirit. I’ll keep you in my prayer for the rest of this month.