Why do certain liturgical rubrics exist?

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Thinking about this brings up another question. The is certainly no prohibition against proclaiming the Gospel in two different languages presuming it is done by approved personnel. What however would be the case if say there was no approved Spanish-speaking proclaimer?

In my diocese I have heard bishops proclaim the Gospel in two languages (English + Spanish) and a combination of a priest (English) and a deacon (Spanish.) If that deacon had not be available and no other Spanish-speaking ordained male was available, could a layperson have proclaimed the Gospel in Spanish after it had been proclaimed by an ordained in English (or vice-versa?)
 
Not all of “the ordained” can perform the consecration. A layperson CAN proclaim the Gospel if there is no deacon and the priest cannot. It would in no way invalidate the Mass. Neither a layperson nor a deacon can confect the Blessed Sacrament however. Is either tried, there would be no Mass, just a prohibited simulation.
There is nothing tat says a layperson can proclaim the Gospel. I cannot imagine a situation were the preist would not be able to proclaim, if that were so he would also not be able to perform his duties at the altar.

The are duties that are spelled out in the mass for both the layity and the ordained. The deacon has the primary responsibility to proclaim the Gospel, but unless there are not lay lectors present, not to proclaim the other readings.
 
In my diocese I have heard bishops proclaim the Gospel in two languages (English + Spanish) and a combination of a priest (English) and a deacon (Spanish.) If that deacon had not be available and no other Spanish-speaking ordained male was available, could a layperson have proclaimed the Gospel in Spanish after it had been proclaimed by an ordained in English (or vice-versa?)
The Bishop would not have proclaimed the Gospel at all if a deacon were present.
It is proper to only proclaim in one language. If it is a bi-lingual mass then an effort should be made to have the readings in a worship aid.
 
There is nothing tat says a layperson can proclaim the Gospel. I cannot imagine a situation were the preist would not be able to proclaim, if that were so he would also not be able to perform his duties at the altar.
There is also nothing that says a Mass is invalidated if a layperson proclaims the Gospel. I don’t need to imagine such a situation. I have been in the middle of one more than once during the week where the priest did not speak English. Someone else read the Gospel, there was no homily and the Liturgy of the Eucharist was largely in Spanish.
The are duties that are spelled out in the mass for both the layity and the ordained. The deacon has the primary responsibility to proclaim the Gospel, but unless there are not lay lectors present, not to proclaim the other readings.
I never questioned that. I asked WHY the Church does this. Simply repeating that She does will not answer my questionS.
 
The Bishop would not have proclaimed the Gospel at all if a deacon were present.
It is proper to only proclaim in one language. If it is a bi-lingual mass then an effort should be made to have the readings in a worship aid.
No deacon present when the bishop was the sole celebrant.

No where do the liturgical rubrice suggest that it’s “proper to only proclaim in one language.” In fact the Pope’s own Masses often have the Gospel proclaimed in both Latin and Greek. I don’t want to get side-tacked by rules that do not exist.

Back to my questions. Why does the Church limit the proclaiming of the Gospel to the ordained, even when doing so make the proclamation unintelligible? Why are the purification of sacred vessels limited to ordained or instited men?
 
benedictgal, on this point we are in total agreement. tradition and documents support the ordained reading the Gospel totally. One addition, it is the job of the Deacon to specifcally proclaim the Gospel.
Maybe this will lead to some much needed rain in Laredo! 😃
 
Back to my questions. Why does the Church limit the proclaiming of the Gospel to the ordained, even when doing so make the proclamation unintelligible? Why are the purification of sacred vessels limited to ordained or instited men?
If the Gospel is being proclaimed by a lay person, it is a abuse and needs to be stopped.
The reason the ordained proclaim the gospel and purify the vessels is that in the wisdom of the Church, because of the importance of the action, can only be done by those who have been deemed worthy to do so through ordination or intituted.
A deacon, and preist are first deacons, have a speciffic responsibilty to the word, to proclaim and to teach.
 
No deacon present when the bishop was the sole celebrant.

No where do the liturgical rubrice suggest that it’s “proper to only proclaim in one language.” In fact the Pope’s own Masses often have the Gospel proclaimed in both Latin and Greek. I don’t want to get side-tacked by rules that do not exist.

Back to my questions. Why does the Church limit the proclaiming of the Gospel to the ordained, even when doing so make the proclamation unintelligible? Why are the purification of sacred vessels limited to ordained or instited men?
Here is the rubric straight from the GIRM:
  1. If there are several persons present who are able to exercise the same ministry, nothing forbids their distributing among themselves and performing different parts of the same ministry or duty. For example, one deacon may be assigned to take the sung parts, another to serve at the altar; if there are several readings, it is well to distribute them among a number of lectors. The same applies for the other ministries.** But it is not at all appropriate that several persons divide a single element of the celebration among themselves, e.g., that the same reading be proclaimed by two lectors**, one after the other, except as far as the Passion of the Lord is concerned.
What the Holy Father does at his Masses is his privilege as the Universal authority. Furthermore, he only reserves the double proclamation for high holy days. The double proclamation does not happen at every Mass he celebrates. Even though the GIRM gives the example of two lectors, that is not to say that the example used could not have been two deacons or two priests. The only exception is the proclamation of the Passion of the Lord.
 
Why do certain liturgical rubrics exist?

Why for example can only the ordained proclaim the Gospel during the Mass. That makes little sense to me. It’s not uncommon at my parish to have the Mass celebrated by a priest who has great difficulty with the English language (he is great and he is from Mexico) along with a deacon who can barely read, at least out loud. Why does the Church prohibit in such cases having a layperson proclaim the Gospel? The result of not allowing it is a proclamation that cannot be understood.
I have an idea. Why not instead of complaining and whining about the Church’s rubrics, you volunteer to lead and start a study group of the Sunday readings (including the gospel). How about encourage your fellow parishioners to come early to Mass so they can attend a discussion group about the readings and the gospel.
 
Only the ordained can read the Gospel at Mass but does this norm apply to other liturgies? There are readings from Scripture at Divine Office. In a public celebration can those scriptural readings from the Gospels only be read by ordained ministers?
 
If the Gospel is being proclaimed by a lay person, it is a abuse and needs to be stopped.
It still does not invalidate the Mass. Having a deacon or a layperson attempt to confect the Blessed Sacrament obviously would.
The reason the ordained proclaim the gospel and purify the vessels is that in the wisdom of the Church, because of the importance of the action, can only be done by those who have been deemed worthy to do so through ordination or intituted.
A deacon, and preist are first deacons, have a speciffic responsibilty to the word, to proclaim and to teach .
I asked WHY. WHY does the Church make these limitations?
 
It still does not invalidate the Mass. Having a deacon or a layperson attempt to confect the Blessed Sacrament obviously would.

I asked WHY. WHY does the Church make these limitations?
We have already given you sufficient reasons as to why. If you do not want to accept them, that is your affair.
 
Why do certain liturgical rubrics exist?

Why for example can only the ordained proclaim the Gospel during the Mass. That makes little sense to me. It’s not uncommon at my parish to have the Mass celebrated by a priest who has great difficulty with the English language (he is great and he is from Mexico) along with a deacon who can barely read, at least out loud. Why does the Church prohibit in such cases having a layperson proclaim the Gospel? The result of not allowing it is a proclamation that cannot be understood.
I’m not able to give you a straight answer, to be honest, but I believe seeing things from an historical perspective might help even a slight bit. Since the earliest days of the Church, the reading of all the Scriptural lessons belonged to the clergy. The task was originally assigned to the lector or reader (formerly classed as one of the four minor orders of the clergy). St. Cyprian of Carthage (c. 255), once wrote a letter to his presbyters and deacons about the ordination of someone named Aurelius, who was still quite young. He thought it wise at moment “*that [Aurelius] should begin with the office of reading. For nothing is more fitting for that voice, which has confessed the Lord with a glorious witness, than to be heard in the solemn reading of the divine word: than after splendid words which bore witness to Christ, to read the gospel of Christ whence his witness are made; than after the rack to come to the reading-desk. *” Of course, in a world where most people could not even read and/or write (literacy became widespread only recently in many places!) obviously not everyone could just stand up and read from a scroll/codex.

However, there was always this tendency to withdraw these privileges from the lower ranks of the clergy and give them to those of higher rank: hence, before the end of the 4th century, the deacon acquired the right of reading the Gospel. Around the 8th century or earlier in Rome, the subdeacon slowly acquired the right of reading the Epistle, but he was never fully able to deprive the lector of this right, as the deacon did of that of reading the Gospel.

Hence, I think the preservation of this rule has partly something to do with conservatism.

I quote from the Catholic Encyclopedia:

The epistle (from the article Lessons in the Liturgy)

Originally [the Epistle] was read by a lector. The privileges of the deacon to sing the Gospel and (in the West) of the subdeacon to read the Epistle are a later development (see GOSPELS IN THE LITURGY). It seems that in the West lectors read the Epistle as well as the other lessons down to about the fifth century (Reuter, “Das Subdiakonat”, Augsburg, 1890, pp. 177, 185). Gradually, then, the feeling grew that the Epistle belongs to the subdeacon. This is apparently an imitation of the deacon’s right to the Gospel. When the custom had obtained of celebrating High Mass with two ministers only — a deacon and a subdeacon — in place of the number of concelebrating priests, regionary deacons, and assistant subdeacons whom we see around the celebrating bishop in the first centuries at Rome, when further the liturgical lessons were reduced to two, and one of them was sung by the deacon, it seemed natural that the subdeacon should read the other. The first Roman Ordo (sixth-eighth century) describes the Epistle as read by a subdeacon (I, 10). But not till the fourteenth century was the subdeacon’s peculiar office of reading the Epistle expressed and acknowledged by his symbolic reception of the book of Epistles at his ordination. Even now [note: this was before the liturgical reforms post-VII] the Roman Pontifical keeps unchanged the old form of the admonition in the ordination of subdeacons (Adepturi, filii dilectissimi, officium subdiaconatus . . . etc.), which, although it describes their duties at length, says nothing about reading the Epistle.

Ceremony of singing the gospel (from the article Gospel in the Liturgy)

The Gospel has been for many centuries in East and West the privilege of the deacon. This was not always the case. At first a reader (anagnostes, lector) read all the lessons. We have seen a case of this in the story of St. Cyprian and Aurelian (see above). St. Jerome (died 420) speaks of the deacon as reader of the Gospel (Ep. cxlvii, n. 6), but the practice was not yet uniform in all churches. At Constantinople, on Easter day, the bishop did so (Sozomen, Church History VII.19); in Alexandria, it was an archdeacon (ibid., he says that: “in other places deacons read the Gospel; in many churches only priests”). The Apostolic Constitutions refer the Gospel to the deacon; and in 527 a council, at Vaison, says deacons “are worthy to read the words that Christ spoke in the Gospel” (Baudot, op. cit., 51). This custom became gradually universal, as is shown by the formulæ that accompany the tradition of the Gospel-book at the deacon’s ordination (the eleventh century Visigothic “Liber ordinum” has the form: “Ecce evangelium Christi, accipe, ex quo annunties bonam gratiam fidei populo”, Baudot, p. 52). An exception that lasted through the Middle Ages was that at Christmas the emperor, dressed in a rochet and stole, sang the midnight Gospel: “Exiit edictum a Cæsare Augusto” etc. (Mabillon, “Musæum italicum”, I, 256 sq.).
 
It still does not invalidate the Mass. Having a deacon or a layperson attempt to confect the Blessed Sacrament obviously would.

I asked WHY. WHY does the Church make these limitations?
Because we have the sacramemt of holy orders. Men called specifically by the Holy Spirit to be preist and deacons to spread the faith. With this mark of the Spirit we are seen as the proper and only ministers to proclaim the Gospel, the very word of Christ.
The care of the word of Jesus, the Church has seen fitting, as well as it’s proclamtion is seen to be only properly held in the hands of the ordained. The deacon is the keeper of the word. He is ordained to service of Word, liturgy and Charity. This carries on once a man is ordained as preist. The deacon though is always the primary keeper of the word in the liturgy.
 
A bit unrelated:

Preaching was originally the task of the bishops (as St. Justin Martyr alludes to the custom of mid-2nd century Rome: “then, when the reader has ceased, the president (i.e. the one who presides - in this case the bishop) verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things”). Eventually however, the sermon after the readings disappeared at an early date; Sozomen in the 5th century already could say that in Rome “neither the bishop nor any one else teaches the people.” Now there are surviving sermons by Popes St. Leo and St. Gregory the Great for special feasts, but we do not know whether other early popes preached, since we have no surviving evidence for it. In any case lesser clergy were not allowed to preach in those days, and bishops granting such permissions to their presbyters and other clergy were frowned upon - the idea at the time being that the best way to stop the spread of heresy was just to stop preaching altogether; that way no one could teach anything contrary to the Faith (not exactly an approach I’d agree to, of course). That is, until the Reformation happened. 😉
 
Because we have the sacramemt of holy orders. Men called specifically by the Holy Spirit to be preist and deacons to spread the faith. With this mark of the Spirit we are seen as the proper and only ministers to proclaim the Gospel, the very word of Christ.
The care of the word of Jesus, the Church has seen fitting, as well as it’s proclamtion is seen to be only properly held in the hands of the ordained. The deacon is the keeper of the word. He is ordained to service of Word, liturgy and Charity. This carries on once a man is ordained as preist. The deacon though is always the primary keeper of the word in the liturgy.
I didn’t ask what the Church says on the matter. I asked WHY they Church says what it says. Particularly when the Gospel proclaimation is hindered by this rubric.
 
A bit unrelated:

Preaching was originally the task of the bishops (as St. Justin Martyr alludes to the custom of mid-2nd century Rome: “then, when the reader has ceased, the president (i.e. the one who presides - in this case the bishop) verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things”). Eventually however, the sermon after the readings disappeared at an early date; Sozomen in the 5th century already could say that in Rome “neither the bishop nor any one else teaches the people.” Now there are surviving sermons by Popes St. Leo and St. Gregory the Great for special feasts, but we do not know whether other early popes preached, since we have no surviving evidence for it. In any case lesser clergy were not allowed to preach in those days, and bishops granting such permissions to their presbyters and other clergy were frowned upon - the idea at the time being that the best way to stop the spread of heresy was just to stop preaching altogether; that way no one could teach anything contrary to the Faith (not exactly an approach I’d agree to, of course). That is, until the Reformation happened. 😉
I asked about proclaiming the Gospel reading, not preaching but I appreciate the history.
 
Only the ordained can read the Gospel at Mass but does this norm apply to other liturgies? There are readings from Scripture at Divine Office. In a public celebration can those scriptural readings from the Gospels only be read by ordained ministers?
No, not to my knowledge.
 
In the end it seems like the rubrics for the Gospel proclamation and the purifying of sacred vessels are fairly arbitrary. They are the type “because the Church says so” rubrics. I think their arbitrary nature spawns abuse in many locations. There really is no other explanation it would seem – particularly when viewed in a practical sense.
 
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