Why do Christians sin?

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Why do Christians who know Gods teachings deliberately disobey our Heavenly Father?
I feel that if I had some idea of the answer of this question I would be able to sin much less. Thanks in advance,

-Rob
 
All evil is committed by someone pursuing some perceived good. So when we disobey God we’re believing at the time that our action will benefit us more than obedience to Him will. We’re denying, in a way, by our actions, that we fully believe in Him and His authority, which, of course, was an aspect of the Original Sin.
 
Result of the effects of original sin: Darkness of intellect and weakness of will.
 
Result of the effects of original sin: Darkness of intellect and weakness of will.
This is the case.

Baptism washes away Original Sin; but because of our nature - we still are left with concupiscence (inclination to sin) and suffering.

We still have free will; but because of our inclination to sin; and the weakness of our faith we turn away from God and God’s teachings wilfully. If we didn’t sin; we would not need the Sacrament of Penance.
 
As I walk through my life, and when I sin;…I ordain myself my own god before God and when I do that I do not heed the cost, of what that gift cost. salvation through the blood of Christ.
Woe, is me who sets the Lord aside Woe is me, I am pitiful…wretched soul.
 
Though the question is adequately answered by the doctrine of OS for those within the Church, there is yet the vast majority of non-Catholics for whom this is not a sufficient answer. May I suggest that yet within Church teaching there might be a more fundamental explanation that works over a broader spectrum?

I like what fhensen said about it, that we naturaly do what we think is good. I agree with that. Consider, for instance, that serial killers score exceptionally high on tests for self esteem. They have no doubt that they are doing what is good for themselves. So I would suggest that we could look at our idea of ourselves and its relationship to our idea of good.

All bioligical systems display irritation (the response to stimuli) and act to preserve homeostasis (the condition of biological balance) In humans, and to some extent in other animals, themental realm enters into this sense of homeostasis. And chief in the factors of homeostasis in the mental realm is the sense of self. We could say in this regard that there is a continuum of self sense from completely immature and ego centered to mature and We centered, a condition in whichthe individual percieves themselves to be an integral part of a group. IN the extreme of this last, the individual seeks to be and feels at one with God.

So the specturm of maturity goes from separation and isolation (hell) to inclusion and Unity (heaven) The more mature one is, the closer they are to the feeling of Unity. The less mature, the cloer to isolaton and separation. This, IMHO, is why that we see tow major ideas in religion and philosophy as avenues of accomplishment. The first of these is the two forms of the golden rule. The second is “know thyself.”

So as far as I can see a broad spectrum definition of sin is immaturity of sense of identity. Someone who completly and utterly feels the other as themselves is incapbale of sinning against someone else, and thus is “above the law.” Such a person can’t hurt what he sees as himself. On the other hand, the imature person sees differetiaton between tehmselves and others, and thus objctifies others and things, and the relationships that come with those. It is mine vs theirs, me vs them, etc etc etc through all the polarities of ego. With that come judgement and resentment, etc. and therefore need.

All the while, one’s self is felt to be the ultimate good, that feeling that “I am, therefore I’m good.” So it is not percieved as wrong to the immature person to do thinkgs that are self satisfying in contradiction to a greater moral code, artificial or not. So I guess I am saying that we sin, or not to satisfy our sense of self. It just depends on who or what we feel our sense of self to be; somewhere between unloved, isolated, alone, unsatisfied, and Loved, included, Unified, Satisfied.

“Love thy neighbor as thyself.” Why? Ulitmately because thy neigbor is of the same stuff you are and I am. Goodness is the recognition of that and acting on it.
 
There are many reasons, some of which have already been mentioned. Here are a few more:
  1. We are not always aware of God’s presence.
  2. We give way to impulse and act on the spur of the moment without reflecting.
  3. We make various excuses to ourselves such as “It’s not very serious” or “It won’t harm anybody”.
  4. We doubt whether it really is a sin.
  5. We feel that the temptation is overwhelming and that we cannot resist it.
  6. We yield to psychological pressure from another person.
  7. We sin as the result of ingrained habit.
  8. We think the rules for the majority don’t apply to us.
  9. We retaliate under prolonged provocation.
  10. We have moments of doubt and act as if this is the only life we have.
 
Though the question is adequately answered by the doctrine of OS for those within the Church, there is yet the vast majority of non-Catholics for whom this is not a sufficient answer. May I suggest that yet within Church teaching there might be a more fundamental explanation that works over a broader spectrum?

I like what fhensen said about it, that we naturaly do what we think is good. I agree with that. Consider, for instance, that serial killers score exceptionally high on tests for self esteem. They have no doubt that they are doing what is good for themselves. So I would suggest that we could look at our idea of ourselves and its relationship to our idea of good.

All bioligical systems display irritation (the response to stimuli) and act to preserve homeostasis (the condition of biological balance) In humans, and to some extent in other animals, themental realm enters into this sense of homeostasis. And chief in the factors of homeostasis in the mental realm is the sense of self. We could say in this regard that there is a continuum of self sense from completely immature and ego centered to mature and We centered, a condition in whichthe individual percieves themselves to be an integral part of a group. IN the extreme of this last, the individual seeks to be and feels at one with God.

So the specturm of maturity goes from separation and isolation (hell) to inclusion and Unity (heaven) The more mature one is, the closer they are to the feeling of Unity. The less mature, the cloer to isolaton and separation. This, IMHO, is why that we see tow major ideas in religion and philosophy as avenues of accomplishment. The first of these is the two forms of the golden rule. The second is “know thyself.”

So as far as I can see a broad spectrum definition of sin is immaturity of sense of identity. Someone who completly and utterly feels the other as themselves is incapbale of sinning against someone else, and thus is “above the law.” Such a person can’t hurt what he sees as himself. On the other hand, the imature person sees differetiaton between tehmselves and others, and thus objctifies others and things, and the relationships that come with those. It is mine vs theirs, me vs them, etc etc etc through all the polarities of ego. With that come judgement and resentment, etc. and therefore need.

All the while, one’s self is felt to be the ultimate good, that feeling that “I am, therefore I’m good.” So it is not percieved as wrong to the immature person to do thinkgs that are self satisfying in contradiction to a greater moral code, artificial or not. So I guess I am saying that we sin, or not to satisfy our sense of self. It just depends on who or what we feel our sense of self to be; somewhere between unloved, isolated, alone, unsatisfied, and Loved, included, Unified, Satisfied.

“Love thy neighbor as thyself.” Why? Ulitmately because thy neigbor is of the same stuff you are and I am. Goodness is the recognition of that and acting on it.
An excellent analysis! To sin against another person is to reject the principle of equality - which has no rational basis in a Godless universe…
 
I think you could say that all sin, even the original sin and even the most malicious of personal sins, have an element of ignorance about them.

Who would sin if they truly perceived or understood Gods existence, love, and goodness-of His godhood? If they truly believed in the existence of Love and that all of us will-and should- be judged according to it as the standard?

While ignorance may’ve been a consequence of OS, I think it was also already operative in the “original sinners” in some sense-and that our job in this life is to overcome that ignorance, to learn the value of love- the “value” of God-so that we’ll never choose against Him, i.e. we’ll never choose to sin, again.
 
Why do Christians who know Gods teachings deliberately disobey our Heavenly Father?
I feel that if I had some idea of the answer of this question I would be able to sin much less. Thanks in advance,

-Rob
Human beings are spiritually insane
 
There is always some perceived pleasure or benefit to be derived from sinning. That is the devil’s lie, told first to Eve and now to all of us. Because we are weak-willed, we are tempted to this pleasure or benefit and succumb to it. Generally speaking, when the pleasure has passed, we know we have done wrong. That is what we call conscience insisting on its rights after the sin, since it did not get them before the sin.

Also, Christians sin because they are not fully Christian as they might be. Saintliness is not achieved all at once and without strenuous and painstaking effort. The devil never sleeps … and those closest to God will be his nearest targets … as we have found out with the priest scandals down through history. This is why during the Mass all Christians join the celebrant in praying for the pope, the bishop, and the priests … because they are most in need of our prayers.
 
If you define insanity, 2, as immaturity and ignorance, then yes, we are spiritualy insane. But in practice I think that mostly we are misled by ignorance and our propensity to believe what we grow up with, including silly explanations about how the universe works and what God is.
 
If you define insanity, 2, as immaturity and ignorance, then yes, we are spiritualy insane. But in practice I think that mostly we are misled by ignorance and our propensity to believe what we grow up with, including silly explanations about how the universe works and what God is.
God is absolute sanity. Perfect ontological Sanity is perfect will and perfect being. We posses varying degrees of sanity in so far as we participate in the existence of that which is perfect will and perfect being. The more we participate, the closer we are to perfect sanity, and perfect sanity is perfect love.

There are two ways we can think of insanity. One is a mental illness in the clinical sense of the term, and this sense of insanity is not a matter of freedom although perhaps we can make bad choices which can lead to insanity. But there is a different kind of insanity, and this kind of insanity is a choice that deviates from the perfect sanity of ontological love for some selfish gratification.

While it is true that Christians sometimes do evil out of ignorance, we do know and accept the difference between good and evil and its consequences; and we often do evil in that knowledge in spite of the fact that we are aware of the possibility of eternal hell. That is insanity.

The story of Adam and eve speaks of deception but the deception doesn’t just come from only the devil; rather, Adam and Eve also deceive themselves. They placed there will above the ontological sanity of God. Why? Assuming that the story of Adam eve is literal history (and i am not inclined to think that it is) rather than allegorical history, it is evident that Adam and Eve had a much greater knowledge of God and had a greater degree of sanctification than we do. It is true she didn’t have perfect knowledge. But i think that Eve knew that she would truly die a moral death if she ate the apple. So why did she believe the snake? Rationally speaking she could not have believed what she knew to be opposed to Gods will. The reality is, she wanted to be her own God and thus was willing to entertain the irrational possibility that God was lying; but she knew deep down that she was lying to her self. In terms of ontological sanity Adam and Eve were insane and spiritually wounded as soon as they favored their own will above the rationality of Gods love.

You often hear human beings claim in different ways that it is better to rule in hell than be a slave in heaven.

Human beings are insane.

Sin is a mystery.
 
God is absolute sanity. Perfect ontological Sanity is perfect will and perfect being. We posses varying degrees of sanity in so far as we participate in the existence of that which is perfect will and perfect being. The more we participate, the closer we are to perfect sanity, and perfect sanity is perfect love.

There are two ways we can think of insanity. One is a mental illness in the clinical sense of the term, and this sense of insanity is not a matter of freedom although perhaps we can make bad choices which can lead to insanity. But there is a different kind of insanity, and this kind of insanity is a choice that deviates from the perfect sanity of ontological love for some selfish gratification.

While it is true that Christians sometimes do evil out of ignorance, we do know and accept the difference between good and evil and its consequences; and we often do evil in that knowledge in spite of the fact that we are aware of the possibility of eternal hell. That is insanity.

The story of Adam and eve speaks of deception but the deception doesn’t just come from only the devil; rather, Adam and Eve also deceive themselves. They placed there will above the ontological sanity of God. Why? Assuming that the story of Adam eve is literal history (and i am not inclined to think that it is) rather than allegorical history, it is evident that Adam and Eve had a much greater knowledge of God and had a greater degree of sanctification than we do. It is true she didn’t have perfect knowledge. But i think that Eve knew that she would truly die a moral death if she ate the apple. So why did she believe the snake? Rationally speaking she could not have believed what she knew to be opposed to Gods will. The reality is, she wanted to be her own God and thus was willing to entertain the irrational possibility that God was lying; but she knew deep down that she was lying to her self. In terms of ontological sanity Adam and Eve were insane and spiritually wounded as soon as they favored their own will above the rationality of Gods love.

You often hear human beings claim in different ways that it is better to rule in hell than be a slave in heaven.

Human beings are insane.

Sin is a mystery.
👍 This was great! Eve buys into the irrational lie of the serpent, apparently preferring irrationality if it might just get her something better than God offers. And we’ve been dealing with that insanity ever since.
 
Why do Christians who know Gods teachings deliberately disobey our Heavenly Father?
I feel that if I had some idea of the answer of this question I would be able to sin much less. Thanks in advance,

-Rob
Misplaced pride

God bless,
jd
 
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