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Ahimsa
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Why do conservatives stay in the Catholic Church if there are so many liberals in it?
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babylonsfalling
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Because it’s not some social club where people go to meet like minded types…why else?Why do conservatives stay in the Catholic Church if there are so many liberals in it?
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MartyrForJesus
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I don’t understand this question at all.
The_Reginator
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As St. Peter said to our Lord,Why do conservatives stay in the Catholic Church if there are so many liberals in it?
The Catholic Church is The Church established by Jesus Christ. It would be utter nonsense to leave Her just because some in the Church have become too liberal, or because of the abuse scandals, or because we don’t like the priest’s sermons, or …
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Dale_M
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I think it is in response to this thread
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=556285
Perhaps it is also in response to the many other threads and comments of a similar nature which have cropped up here at CAF over the months and years. It does get old.
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Neildown
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No offense, but this is a ridiculous question with poor taste whether it’s sarcastic or not - people stay in the Church because they believe it is the truth.
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St_Francis
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I think it’s a sort of tongue-in-cheek response to the number of threads about dissident Catholics being called liberal Catholics and wondering why these people, who seem unhappy with the teachings of the Church, stay in.
And as to why faithful Catholics stay when there are so many dissident Catholics, there’s no reason for the conservatives to leave just because a bunch of people want to change the Church.
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Defender1
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Leaving the church because of the members in the congregation is completely wrong . I almost did that for a very dumb reason . About 5 years ago the pastor of my churchWhy do conservatives stay in the Catholic Church if there are so many liberals in it?
, during his homily particularly asked the congregation to stay for mass to end ,and not to hurry out the door right after communion . Apparently this is a problem with some Catholics. After they receive communion they bull rush out the door.Its not right , anyway after that mass on that day, it seemed almost twice as many people did exactly what he asked us not to do which is leave right after communion(most likely for prideful reasons . SO I got angry and I did not return until some time later . I almost left the church completely . I had baptist minister cousins who tried to get me to go to their church , I went on a journey through protestant churches and come back around to the Catholic church again. My point is we have many Catholics by name and not by faith , we simply cannot leave the church because of their lack of faith . I am a conservative and proud to be in the church . The Catechism is not liberal neither are we for the most part .
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babylonsfalling
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I don’t think the OP even understands what the Church is in the first place.
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MartyrForJesus
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It’s not in context though. Liberal Catholics are considered heterodox, with the opposite being orthodox Catholics. Never heard of a ‘conservative catholic’ unless we are talking politics.
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Swiss_Guy
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I don’t know. Because the Catholic Church is just as liberal as it is conservative…Why do conservatives stay in the Catholic Church if there are so many liberals in it?
It depends what you mean by conservative or liberal. I’m seen by many as a hard-core conservative at my school for being against gay “marriage” abortion, etc. But I’m actually not that conservative. Fiscally, I lean slightly to the left (American politics–I’m probably leaning right in Europe
). I just try to shape my views with what the Church teaches.So the real question is, why do dissenters stay in the Catholic Church?
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Swiss_Guy
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Liberal Catholics aren’t in communion with the Catholic Church.
But seriously, you’re right. liberal and conservative when describing a Catholic should be left to politics. Otherwise Catholics are either heterodox or orthodox.
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Swiss_Guy
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Yep. I don’t think anyone said this about liberal Catholics though…
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Seamus_L
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Traditionalists or what you might call Conservatives, support what the Catholic Church has taught for 2000 years. Liberals are Catholics in name only, when they support abortion, homosexuality, women’s ordination, divorce, contraception, etc.
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Jesus_123
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+Christ’s Apostolic Holy Roman Catholic Church has a distinct solid set of devout Christian beliefs and doctrines as its foundation. There is no allowance or teaching whatsoever within the Church of any sort of . . . “supremecy of personal opinion” . . . liberal or otherwise . . . anywhere in Apostolic Holy Roman Catholic Church doctrine . . . quite the opposite . . . below is a quote from . . . Catholic Answer’s Forum apologist **Peggy Frye ** . . . dealing precisely with this distinctly FALSE non-Catholic doctrine . . .
**. . . :coffeeread: . . . **
**Re:
Is it true that Catholics are free to choose,
with serious consideration,
which Church teachings to obey? **
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**To protect the faith of the Catholic Church against errors: **
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**Motu proprio **
vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/motu_proprio/documents/hf_jp-ii_motu-proprio_30061998_ad-tuendam-fidem_en.html
Catholics are not free to “choose which teachings to obey.”
The Code of Canon Law no 750 clearly states:
**. . . :coffeeread: . . . **
**Re:
Is it true that Catholics are free to choose,
with serious consideration,
which Church teachings to obey? **
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**To protect the faith of the Catholic Church against errors: **
:compcoff:
**Motu proprio **
vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/motu_proprio/documents/hf_jp-ii_motu-proprio_30061998_ad-tuendam-fidem_en.html
Catholics are not free to “choose which teachings to obey.”
The Code of Canon Law no 750 clearly states:
Can. 750
§1. A person must believe with divine and Catholic faith all those things contained in the word of God, written or handed on, that is, in the one deposit of faith entrusted to the Church, and at the same time proposed as divinely revealed either by the solemn magisterium of the Church or by its ordinary and universal magisterium which is manifested by the common adherence of the Christian faithful under the leadership of the sacred magisterium; therefore all are bound to avoid any doctrines whatsoever contrary to them.
**§2. **Each and every thing which is proposed definitively by the magisterium of the Church concerning the doctrine of faith and morals, that is, each and every thing which is required to safeguard reverently and to expound faithfully the same deposit of faith, is also to be firm-ly embraced and retained; therefore, one who rejects those propositions which are to be held definitively is opposed to the doctrine of the Catholic Church.
Submission of mind and will to the teachings of the Church even when not speaking ex cathedra must be shown (e.g., truths contained in the Catechism, and that artificial contraception is sinful).Lumen Gentium no 25:
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Dignitatis Humanae
vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651207_dignitatis-humanae_en.html
§1. A person must believe with divine and Catholic faith all those things contained in the word of God, written or handed on, that is, in the one deposit of faith entrusted to the Church, and at the same time proposed as divinely revealed either by the solemn magisterium of the Church or by its ordinary and universal magisterium which is manifested by the common adherence of the Christian faithful under the leadership of the sacred magisterium; therefore all are bound to avoid any doctrines whatsoever contrary to them.
**§2. **Each and every thing which is proposed definitively by the magisterium of the Church concerning the doctrine of faith and morals, that is, each and every thing which is required to safeguard reverently and to expound faithfully the same deposit of faith, is also to be firm-ly embraced and retained; therefore, one who rejects those propositions which are to be held definitively is opposed to the doctrine of the Catholic Church.
Submission of mind and will to the teachings of the Church even when not speaking ex cathedra must be shown (e.g., truths contained in the Catechism, and that artificial contraception is sinful).
“This religious submission of mind and will must be shown in a special way to the authentic magisterium of the Roman Pontiff, even when he is not speaking ex cathedra; that is, it must be shown in such a way that his supreme magisterium is acknowledged with reverence, the judgments made by him are sincerely adhered to, according to his manifest mind and will.”
And Vatican II in Gaudium et Spes no. 50 makes it clear that“The teaching Church does not invent her doctrines; she is a witness, a custodian, an interpreter, a transmitter. As regards the truths of Christian marriage, she can be called conservative, uncompromising. To those who would urge her to make her faith easier, more in keeping with the tastes of the changing mentality of the times, she answers with the apostles, we cannot.” (Acts. 4:20)
Is it o.k. to be a cafeteria Catholic? Pope John Paul II says,“It is sometimes reported that a large number of Catholics today do not adhere to the teaching of the Catholic Church on a number of questions, notably sexual and conjugal morality, divorce and remarriage. Some are reported as not accepting the clear position on abortion. It has to be noted that there is a tendency on the part of some Catholics to be selective in their adherence to the Church’s moral teaching. It is sometimes claimed that dissent from the magisterium is totally compatible with being a “good Catholic,” and poses no obstacle to the reception of the Sacraments. This is a grave error that challenges the teaching of the Bishops in the United States and elsewhere.” (Pope John Paul II in his speech to the Bishops in 1987)
Can the faithful form their own consciences when it comes to the teachings of the Church? No.“In the formation of their consciences, the Christian faithful ought carefully to attend to the sacred and certain doctrine of the Church.(35) For the Church is, by the will of Christ, the teacher of the truth. It is her duty to give utterance to, and authoritatively to teach, that truth which is** Christ Himself**, and also to declare and confirm by her authority those principles of the moral order which have their origins in human nature itself.”
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Dignitatis Humanae
vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651207_dignitatis-humanae_en.html
. . . all for Jesus+
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A_Catholic
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I think you hit that nail on the head. No one who understands the Catholic Church and what it really is would ever ask such a question. But the OP is not Catholic, so I would not expect her to understand.
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Samuel63
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It is the duty of conservatives, faithful to the magisterium of the Church, to protect the Bride of Christ to the best of our ability. This means, we do not just walk away or “chruch hop” when modernism and liberalism rears its ugly head in our very own parish.
We stay to do as Jesus Christ told us. “Pick up your cross and follow me.”
We stay to convince to pastor to say the words of the mass properly and with reverence. We stay to hold our ground and advance against that insufferable “creative liturgist.”
We stay to provide an example: of genuflecting to the tabernacle, receiving the eucharist with reverence, of frequenting the sacrament of penance.
We stay to grown in holiness and help our brothers and sisters along the way, the way to heaven.
We stay to do as Jesus Christ told us. “Pick up your cross and follow me.”
We stay to convince to pastor to say the words of the mass properly and with reverence. We stay to hold our ground and advance against that insufferable “creative liturgist.”
We stay to provide an example: of genuflecting to the tabernacle, receiving the eucharist with reverence, of frequenting the sacrament of penance.
We stay to grown in holiness and help our brothers and sisters along the way, the way to heaven.
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saveusfromhell
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why do people keep feeding the troll
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estesbob
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. There is absolutely nothing in my conservative beliefs that conflict in any way with the teachings of the Catholic Church. . I don’t have to rationalize why it’s okay reject church teachings when they conflict with my political views, nor do I have make excuses as to why supporting abortion can be justified the greater good.Why do conservatives stay in the Catholic Church if there are so many liberals in it?
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Swiss_Guy
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+Christ’s Apostolic Holy Roman Catholic Church has a distinct solid set of devout Christian beliefs and doctrines as its foundation. There is no allowance or teaching whatsoever within the Church of any sort of . . . “supremecy of personal opinion” . . . liberal or otherwise . . . anywhere in Apostolic Holy Roman Catholic Church doctrine . . . quite the opposite . . . below is a quote from . . . Catholic Answer’s Forum apologist **Peggy Frye ** . . . dealing precisely with this distinctly FALSE non-Catholic doctrine . . .
**. . . :coffeeread: . . . **
**Re:
Is it true that Catholics are free to choose,
with serious consideration,
which Church teachings to obey? **
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**To protect the faith of the Catholic Church against errors: **
:compcoff:
**Motu proprio **
vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/motu_proprio/documents/hf_jp-ii_motu-proprio_30061998_ad-tuendam-fidem_en.html
Catholics are not free to “choose which teachings to obey.”
The Code of Canon Law no 750 clearly states:
Can. 750Lumen Gentium no 25:
§1. A person must believe with divine and Catholic faith all those things contained in the word of God, written or handed on, that is, in the one deposit of faith entrusted to the Church, and at the same time proposed as divinely revealed either by the solemn magisterium of the Church or by its ordinary and universal magisterium which is manifested by the common adherence of the Christian faithful under the leadership of the sacred magisterium; therefore all are bound to avoid any doctrines whatsoever contrary to them.
**§2. **Each and every thing which is proposed definitively by the magisterium of the Church concerning the doctrine of faith and morals, that is, each and every thing which is required to safeguard reverently and to expound faithfully the same deposit of faith, is also to be firm-ly embraced and retained; therefore, one who rejects those propositions which are to be held definitively is opposed to the doctrine of the Catholic Church.
Submission of mind and will to the teachings of the Church even when not speaking ex cathedra must be shown (e.g., truths contained in the Catechism, and that artificial contraception is sinful).
“This religious submission of mind and will must be shown in a special way to the authentic magisterium of the Roman Pontiff, even when he is not speaking ex cathedra; that is, it must be shown in such a way that his supreme magisterium is acknowledged with reverence, the judgments made by him are sincerely adhered to, according to his manifest mind and will.”And Vatican II in Gaudium et Spes no. 50 makes it clear that
“The teaching Church does not invent her doctrines; she is a witness, a custodian, an interpreter, a transmitter. As regards the truths of Christian marriage, she can be called conservative, uncompromising. To those who would urge her to make her faith easier, more in keeping with the tastes of the changing mentality of the times, she answers with the apostles, we cannot.” (Acts. 4:20) /]
In Lumen Gentium, you could’ve bolded conservative instead of uncompromising (it’s right next to uncompromising) because it answers the question a little more clearly.
As I’ve said before, the Church is liberal and conservative, just as God is (liberal in giving grace and his love, conservative in that he never changes).
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