Why do Evangelicals christians and Catholics vote Republican?

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I read the “voters guide for serious Catholics” and soon realized with was basically telling you to vote Republican. Part of what made me realize that was the ommission of capital punishment from the list of things you can not vote for.

Also from talking to my evangelical friends, it seems they are blindly in support of republicans.

My question is, what has the republican party done for the cause of christ? Are there more strict abortion laws? Has Gay marriage been stopped? What about the quality of life of the average american?
 
I read the “voters guide for serious Catholics” and soon realized with was basically telling you to vote Republican. Part of what made me realize that was the ommission of capital punishment from the list of things you can not vote for.

Also from talking to my evangelical friends, it seems they are blindly in support of republicans.

My question is, what has the republican party done for the cause of christ? Are there more strict abortion laws? Has Gay marriage been stopped? What about the quality of life of the average american?
What have the Democrats done is support of Christ???

Absolutely nothing.

Democrats are the biggest supporters of the culture of death.
 
I read the “voters guide for serious Catholics” and soon realized with was basically telling you to vote Republican. Part of what made me realize that was the ommission of capital punishment from the list of things you can not vote for.

Also from talking to my evangelical friends, it seems they are blindly in support of republicans.

My question is, what has the republican party done for the cause of christ? Are there more strict abortion laws? Has Gay marriage been stopped? What about the quality of life of the average american?
Well, I tend to mistrust “Voter’s Guides for [insert name here]” in general: ulterior motives abound, as you appear to intuit already. Nevertheless, a man votes his conscience as best he can, and on various “culture of life” issues–rightly a priority for many Christians–the Republicans are the least bad choice. Like you, I’m don’t see many substantive reversals on abortion, gay marriage, &c., but at least the Rs. aren’t greasing the skids, not to the extent that people believe the Democrats would. And as has been hashed out many times before, although many serious Catholics can and do oppose the death penalty, they are not required to; and relatively few serious Evangelicals oppose it.

I doubt that serious Catholics and Protestants are thrilled with the Republicans, and contra your statement above, those groups are far from blind about that party’s shortcomings. The support of Christians could easily be lured away from the GOP. But to do that, it’ll take a party far different from what the Democrats have become, methinks. Stay tuned.
 
I am unhappy with the republicans. But the democrates are just not a good alternative. I find abortion abhorent and so I can not, in good conscious, vote for a party that is proabortion.

It isn’t blindness that keeps me voting for the Republicans, its the fact that the Democrates stand for very little that I can support. I wish that we had better choices.😦
 
There was a time not that many decades ago, until the 1960’s almost, when in many Catholic countries, the Church wielded enormous power over people’s lives. They controlled what the government did, they controlled the schools, the hospitals, and almost all institutions of any significance. They also told the people who to vote for. When the general population gradually became more educated, and with the advent of broadcast communications, the people gradually moved away from letting the Church control every aspect of their lives. This doesn’t mean they necessarily abandoned their Faith, just their absolute deference to the men who run the Church.

Today, none of these countries, not even Italy, are still under that kind of control. Nobody would ever want to go back to that. The one exception among modern western countries is the U.S., but the U.S. was never a Catholic country, so the people have not had the opportunity to live through a Church-controlled country as other societies have. Let me tell you, it’s not a pleasant prospect. It won’t be a Catholic country in the case of the U.S., but there’s no equivalent anywhere else in the entire world to the mindless conformity of the right-wing fundamentalist movement, except what we see in fundamentalist Islamic countries. Look there, and see a reflection of yourselves.

Just keep in mind that almost all the Catholic websites who produce “voting guides”, including Catholic Answers, are way on the right wing of the spectrum. They are not providing people with a balanced view. They are cloaking a partisan view with the authority of religion. Luckily, yesterday, not enough people listened to them! To accept that voting is obligatory, but then to turn around and just vote the way some religious partisans tell you to vote is making a mockery of democracy. Don’t let any Church tell you how to vote. The priests and the imams are just people like you and me. You are all mostly Bible-only Catholics on here, as strange as that sounds, so read it. Show me where it says anywhere in the Bible that you should vote a certain way.
 
As a middle class working Catholic, and an airline pilot (union worker) i believe the democrats have my interests much more in mind than the republicans. I believe the republicans are christian in words only to court the christian vote. anti christs.

Christs love and truth will be spread by how I live my life not by a corrupt political party with false pretenses and ulterior motives.
 
I read the “voters guide for serious Catholics” and soon realized with was basically telling you to vote Republican. Part of what made me realize that was the ommission of capital punishment from the list of things you can not vote for.

Also from talking to my evangelical friends, it seems they are blindly in support of republicans.

My question is, what has the republican party done for the cause of christ? Are there more strict abortion laws? Has Gay marriage been stopped? What about the quality of life of the average american?
I find with politics, you are always choosing a lesser of 2 evils. If you are looking for results in a world heading towards the same path as in the time of Noah, you will not find much help.

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Mat 24

36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

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I choose a candidate based on their claims being most in line with the God’s standards. I cannot know what there real thoughts are or what life style they live in most cases, so I leave it in the Lord’s hand.

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1 Peter 2

13 Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake, whether to the king as supreme, 14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good. 15 For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men— 16 as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God. 17 Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.

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I have to disagree with you starling.

The Church has traditionally (little t) been against democracies and for monarchies. It seems strange that with this in mind the Church would be telling people how to vote. In fact, one of the Pope’s urged Catholics in Italy not to vote.

In America on the other hand, many people thought that the Catholics (read as Irish) would only vote the way that the Bishop told them to. And so they tried to win over the bishop. They soon realized that was not going to work near as well as they had hoped so they started going directly to the source. This is one of the origins of “bossism”. The political bosses would promise the poor predominately Catholic masses something, and give them a taste of it, like by giving shoes, and soon the whole poor Catholic vote would be for that person, and sometimes would be two or three times for that person. It really happened, it has nothing to do with them being Catholic, and everything to do with them being poor.

The Catholic Church stands on principles, and now asks people to vote on principles. It doesn’t stand at the booth and enforce it, heck, most priest do not even speak on it, probably due to primacy of conscience, or some ideology like that. I would say the Catholic church is not doing too much to influence voting, but rather doing too little. It is not doing a good enough job of educating voters on what really matters and what the people should and should not stand for.

A lone Raven

p.s. If you think that most Catholics on here are Bible only Catholics, you need to take a dip in the non-Catholic Religions forum, We strongly believe in BOTH Scripture and Tradition (big T)
 
I am unhappy with the republicans. But the democrates are just not a good alternative. I find abortion abhorent and so I can not, in good conscious, vote for a party that is proabortion.

It isn’t blindness that keeps me voting for the Republicans, its the fact that the Democrates stand for very little that I can support. I wish that we had better choices.😦
My thoughts exactaly! Well said!
 
I know in my state that all Catholics voted Democratic, and all protestants voted Republican…The Democrat won, and he casted his vote at St. Marys church here in Massachusetts.
I honestly saw this in our news today…so it isn’t true.
 
Does anyone have any good info on how having Republican power in Washington has affected christian agendas in terms of gay marriage and abortion?
 
The GOP has hoodwinked the “Christian Right” (i.e. socially conservative Christians, including Catholics) with postures and promises that they will work to end abortion, prohibit euthanasia, oppose stem cell research, etc.

In actual practice they’ve done very little.

We’ve had six years of a single party running just about everything and except for passing the PBA ban (which will stop less than one per cent of all abortions) they’ve done about, oh, diddly-squat.

On the other hand, the Democrats are more honest. They like the PAC and Lobby money so they don’t even pretend to be pro-life and the ones who do (Joe Lieberman) that are pegged for ticket spots (as he was with Gore in '00) quickly show that their commitment to the pro-life perspective is pretty thin. Bill Casey Sr. is dead and gone and he won’t be back 'til the resurrection.

What has happened is that the GOP has seized on the fact that the vast majority of Americans oppose gay marriage, and that at least half of all Americans could be reliably described as “pro-life” and have found a way to stir these people up with jargon and jingoism such that they have become a faithful base.

If the Democrats could be trusted and they really backed away from their social platform of death I think they’d run things for the foreseeable future.

The vast, vast majority of Americans are Roosevelt/Truman Democrats by default. It’s in our nature to make provision, to give second chances, to provide safety nets, to give a hand up and, when necessary even a hand out, to support jobs at a fair wage and so on.

These are, or should be the bedrock of the Democratic Party, but they’ve become so fragmented by the special interest groups that they’re just terrified to cut the strings to their radical fringe even though their radical fringe has demonstrated that it has no real loyalty to them (note the defections to Nader in '04 and especially in '00).

In short, it’s becoming more and more difficult to discern which is really the lesser of two evils.
 
Abortion.
Pure and simple.
The Dems are Pro-Murder all the way and the Repubs are lukewarm at very best.
WP
 
Also from talking to my evangelical friends, it seems they are blindly in support of republicans.

My question is, what has the republican party done for the cause of christ? Are there more strict abortion laws? Has Gay marriage been stopped? What about the quality of life of the average american?
You’re right of course. Republicans have failed to deliver on their promises and have done a bad job of running things too. But by voting for them, the “values voters” have broken the culture of death stranglehold on the Democratic party.

christianitytoday.com/ct/2006/novemberweb-only/145-32.0.html
In Pennsylvania, pro-life Democrat Bob Casey Jr. beat out Republican Sen. Rick Santorum, a conservative Catholic known for his social conscience. **Casey was actively recruited by the Party leadership—more or less the same political elite that once banned his pro-life father **from addressing the Democratic National Convention.

See? Now that the pro-life Democrats aren’t banned, we can vote for them. [SIGN]Huzzah! Our plan worked!
Never again will we have to vote 4 Bush![/SIGN]
 
As a middle class working Catholic, and an airline pilot (union worker) i believe the democrats have my interests much more in mind than the republicans. I believe the republicans are christian in words only to court the christian vote. anti christs.
That’s a very unfair comment. Have you have brought up your problems to the Republicans to ask them to solve it for you?

In Spain, there were working class who claimed to be Catholics yet prefered pro-gay, pro-rich Zapastero over anti-gay, pro-poor Aznar because the former offered to force poor businesses pay rich and lazy workers high salary and offer a 5-day working week as well as horribly high taxation.

These radical Marxist policies create a lazy workforce who is money-minded and cause many businesses owned by poor folk to close shop. Marxism is worker capitalism.

Christians are exorted by the CCC to oppose capitalism and thus, we have got to reject Marxism, which is worker capitalism. Marxism creates rich and lazy work force at the expense of poor businessmen.

Marxism robs the hardworking poor by giving free money to the lazy rich.
Christs love and truth will be spread by how I live my life not by a corrupt political party with false pretenses and ulterior motives.
Can you define “corrupt”? What do you mean by “corrupt political party”? Can you tell us what are the false pretenses and ulterior motives? I am sure even Democrats and other leftists throughout the world also engage in “false pretenses” and “ulterior motives”.
 
I find with politics, you are always choosing a lesser of 2 evils.
That’s correct.
I choose a candidate based on their claims being most in line with the God’s standards. I cannot know what there real thoughts are or what life style they live in most cases, so I leave it in the Lord’s hand.
I believe we can know an individual’s personality/character from his/her writings even if we have never met him/her face-to-face. If you evaluated the writings (aka comments) of the posters here, you can roughly know their character/personality. Is anyone able to guess what kind of personality/character I have?
 
The Democratic party has historically been more interested in governing for the benefit of the ENTIRE populace, instead of the philosophy of ‘take care of the rich and they’ll make more money for all of us’ that summarizes the beliefs of many Republicans.

BUT the Democratic Party has become unmoored from its foundational principles. It no longer believes in human rights grounded in natural law. Instead, it has embraced a utilitarian philosophy of human rights. What remains of the splendid Democratic commitment to civil and human rights is nothing but a grand mansion resting on beach sand - unstable and easily toppled.

The Republicans, on the other hand, are becoming increasingly influenced by the bedrock principle many of them have embraced that the most basic human right of all is the right to life. All other rights flow from that one and are fragile and vulnerable without it. Much of the rest of the Republican platform may be a hillbilly shack, but at least it is built on a rock solid foundation. It has a future of promise, not foreboding.

This is why Democrats are almost universally embryonic pro-stem cell and many R’s are not. Why Dems are mostly hyper-proabortion and most R’s are not. Why euthanasia backers are almost always D’s, not R’s. and so on.

Why has there been little progress? Partly because of insincere nominal prolife R’s like Bush Sr. But MORE because you CAN’T do anything about it until you change the court. And you CAN’T change the court while D’s like Clinton Ted Kennedy are in the majority party and can nominate abortion backers or block pro-lifers respectively. Watch and see how Alito and Roberts turn out. If they end up being Souters and O’Connors, then you have a point. If they end up being Scalia and Thomas types, then you are proven wrong. R’s HAVE made faltering but positive progress towards putting abortion back in the hands of the simple majority electorate. But the D’s have done NOTHING but obstruct that progress EVERY step of the way.

I hope the Democrats notice how much more successful their conservative candidates did in this election than their flaming liberal ones did. Maybe there is hope that the D’s can rebuild their moral foundation and salvage the party before it declines further. Don’t fool yourself that this election was a victory for Democrats. It was a defeat for Bush and a certain kind of Republican - that’s a big difference in meaning!
 
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse form the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years. "
Alexander Tyler, Historian
“If men were angels, no government would be necessary.”
James Madison
Twenty-five years ago we could not even find a pro-life candidate in any election,I repeat any election until the republican party gave us hope. We owe them a debt of gratutide for taking on the issue. The democratic party will give us canditate such as Casey in Pennsylvania who won over Santorum but he is only mildly pro-life.He is in favor of the morning after pill, etc. Santorium has defended life when no one else would and he stands firm on all pro-life issues.

I was once a democrat but then I saw the killing of babies and was horrified. This hope that the democrat party will come back as a strong pro-life party is not going to happen. The women took it over in the 1960’s and it is not coming back.
 
I read the “voters guide for serious Catholics” and soon realized with was basically telling you to vote Republican. Part of what made me realize that was the ommission of capital punishment from the list of things you can not vote for
Also from talking to my evangelical friends, it seems they are blindly in support of republicans.
It’s called Tunnel Vision. The majority of those that vote Republican vote solely on the issue of Abortion.

Here is the mentalilty if you have two candidates:

The Republican: Pro-Life, Pro-Death-Penalty, An adulterer, Been caught doing drugs, He has history of throwing his vote toward those bills that help the upperclass more than the other classes.

The Democrat: Pro-choice, Anti-Death-Penalty, and has a spotless record and public life.

They will vote the loser Republican because he is Pro-life and all other considerations are thrown out the window.

This mentality is identical to the Anti-Catholicism vs Catholicism. Anti-Catholics have Tunnel Vision. They can’t see the history that’s located on the periphery. They can’t see beyond what they have been taught.
My question is, what has the republican party done for the cause of christ?
You would have to be specific as to what is the “Cause of Christ”.
Are there more strict abortion laws?
Yes, but only as a lure to garner more christian votes.
Has Gay marriage been stopped?
Only enough to try an garner the Christian vote.
What about the quality of life of the average american?
Not much as I can tell.
 
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