Why do Evangelicals christians and Catholics vote Republican?

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Now the Republicans are drug addicts and adulterer and the democrats have spotless lives.

Are Republicans the only ones with sin? According to you they are.

The life issues are very important to people because 50 million children are missing from this nation.
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse form the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years. "
Alexander Tyler, Historian
 
Donto want to show my ignorance but as a UK Catholic, I have not a clue what the USA Democrats or Republicans believe, stand for or the differences between them:confused:

Could someone kindly private post me, and tell me what the differences are?

Are there any more parties other than Democrat and Republican?

Is there a Christian Party in the USA?

Besides the President, do you also have a Prime Minister?

Is the House of Senate the same as the House of Lords in UK?

If you want to contact your local Member of Parliament, how do you go about contacting an MP?

Do your lower house sit in a Commons?

If we do not like a UK law, we can appeal to Europe. Who do you appeal to above the Senate?

Would appreciate some info to unravel my questions…and ignorance :rolleyes:
 
Frankly I am delighted with the results of the recent election, and I remind you that the Democrats could not have taken both houses of Congress without a number of Catholic votes.

Don’t make me laugh claiming the Repubs are “Pro-life” if they were pro life they would not have embroiled us in a war that has taken THOUSANDS OF LIFES, based on lies about non-existent weapons of mass destruction.

If Bush and the Repubs had intended to do anything to stop abortion they would have during the past six years when they had complete control of every branch of the government, executive, legislative, and judiciary, but the fact is they did absolutely nothing, just paying lip service and nothing else, they did not even try.

The Repubs ignore church teachings on a number of issues, besides the War in Iraq, they basically tell the poor to drop dead, not church teaching I am sorry.

And the GOP standing on legalised murder, IE the death penalty, they never met a person condemend to die they weren’t for it.

And while I am at it, it does not help a thing using all of the propaganda. People know exactly what abortion is and does even if you don’t going around screaming “baby killer” at them, and insisting that every fertilised egg is exactly the same as a “child”, a “toddler” or a “graduate student”. In common English usage a “child, toddler, or graduate student” is at least old enough to walk and talk on their own.
 
Now the Republicans are drug addicts and adulterer and the democrats have spotless lives.

Are Republicans the only ones with sin? According to you they are.

The life issues are very important to people because 50 million children are missing from this nation.
You missed the point. I was giving an extreme example of two potential candidates showing that giving the two candidates, most would vote for the Republican solely because he was pro-life.
 
Here is a dramantizaton of TUNNEL VISION:

Here is the mentalilty if you have two candidates:

The Republican: Pro-Life, Pro-Death-Penalty, An adulterer, Been caught doing drugs, He has history of throwing his vote toward those bills that help the upperclass more than the other classes.
The Democrat: Pro-choice, Anti-Death-Penalty, and has a spotless record and public life.

TUNNEL VISIONERS ONLY SEES WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE.
 
Nice conscience there, bud. So in your worldview, a teenageer has more innate value than a preschooler huh? Preschooler is worth more than a toddler? Toddler worth more than a newborn?

No? I misrepresent your view? Then praytell, why is the newborn worth more 15 seconds AFTER he is born than 15 seconds before? Where can you point to with the backing of science, philosophy or religion to say is the point where the ‘blob of cells’ becomes a human? You have nothing to point to. And I daresay you see nothing wrong with invitro fertilization and embryonic stem cell experiementation as a result.

Say for the sake of argument that the Republicans Congress WERE totally committed to the pro-life cause. What should they have gotten done? Anybody who can count can see that they didn’t have the votes for a constitutional amendment. Anybody who has read the Constitution ought to know that there is NOTHING you can do to overrule the Supreme Court except pass an amendment or slowly replace the justices with better ones. The Republicans haven’t managed to win enough seats to do an amendment (hardly their fault - much more YOURS, I’d say) and during most o Reagan and the firt Bush years, they had to get candidates past fanatically pro-abortion DEMOCRAT senators to get on the SC. Democrats in case you forgot, killed off the nomination of Robert Bork, perhaps the finest candidate nominated to the SC in my lifetime SOLEY because of his stated opposition to Roe v Wade. Opposition that was NOT ideological, but rooted soundly in the FACT (even Ginsburg has admitted this) that Roe was an abominably badly reasoned decision.

So get over this idea that the republicans have done nothing. They’ve done everything that they could reasonably be expected to under the Roe decision. The ONLY reason Roe still stand is because DEMOCRATS have made it their FIRST priority to defend it.

I’m with you on the death penalty. Once the million innocents killed per year in abortion are dealt with, we can address the few hundred guilty murders that are executed in an era where it no longer makes sense.

I’m still torn on the war, but even if you are 100% right, proportionality still says that it pales in comparison to the bloodbath of abortion.

It’s really quite simple. As voters, we are like cops seeing at the same time a guy with a knife committing a murder and another guy with an AK47 machine gunning kids in a park. To me, it’s really not that hard to decide which crime merits my attention FIRST! That would STILL be my duty as a cop even if the knife vistim were somebody I knew and the kids getting gunned down were strangers.
 
Now here is the dramatization of Catholic View vs Anti-Catholic view

Catholic view: Asking Mary to pray for us, Venerating Mary the Mother of God, etc

Anti-Catholic view: Worshiping Mary via prayer, Worshiping Mary via kneeling before an image of her.

Do you get the TUNNEL VISION analogy yet?
 
There was a time not that many decades ago, until the 1960’s almost, when in many Catholic countries, the Church wielded enormous power over people’s lives. They controlled what the government did, they controlled the schools, the hospitals, and almost all institutions of any significance. They also told the people who to vote for. When the general population gradually became more educated, and with the advent of broadcast communications, the people gradually moved away from letting the Church control every aspect of their lives. This doesn’t mean they necessarily abandoned their Faith, just their absolute deference to the men who run the Church.

Today, none of these countries, not even Italy, are still under that kind of control. Nobody would ever want to go back to that. The one exception among modern western countries is the U.S., but the U.S. was never a Catholic country, so the people have not had the opportunity to live through a Church-controlled country as other societies have. Let me tell you, it’s not a pleasant prospect. It won’t be a Catholic country in the case of the U.S., but there’s no equivalent anywhere else in the entire world to the mindless conformity of the right-wing fundamentalist movement, except what we see in fundamentalist Islamic countries. Look there, and see a reflection of yourselves.

Just keep in mind that almost all the Catholic websites who produce “voting guides”, including Catholic Answers, are way on the right wing of the spectrum. They are not providing people with a balanced view. They are cloaking a partisan view with the authority of religion. Luckily, yesterday, not enough people listened to them! To accept that voting is obligatory, but then to turn around and just vote the way some religious partisans tell you to vote is making a mockery of democracy. Don’t let any Church tell you how to vote. The priests and the imams are just people like you and me. You are all mostly Bible-only Catholics on here, as strange as that sounds, so read it. Show me where it says anywhere in the Bible that you should vote a certain way.
Oh, please. Of course it doesn’t say in the Bible how to vote. The voter guides are meant to inform of what various candidates believe and what the Catholic Church teaches. I looked at several of them and I did not see a particular candidate endorsed. And Bible only Catholics on the forum, I think not.
 
Nice conscience there, bud. So in your worldview, a teenageer has more innate value than a preschooler huh? Preschooler is worth more than a toddler? Toddler worth more than a newborn?

No? I misrepresent your view? Then praytell, why is the newborn worth more 15 seconds AFTER he is born than 15 seconds before? Where can you point to with the backing of science, philosophy or religion to say is the point where the ‘blob of cells’ becomes a human? You have nothing to point to. And I daresay you see nothing wrong with invitro fertilization and embryonic stem cell experiementation as a result.

Say for the sake of argument that the Republicans Congress WERE totally committed to the pro-life cause. What should they have gotten done? Anybody who can count can see that they didn’t have the votes for a constitutional amendment. Anybody who has read the Constitution ought to know that there is NOTHING you can do to overrule the Supreme Court except pass an amendment or slowly replace the justices with better ones. The Republicans haven’t managed to win enough seats to do an amendment (hardly their fault - much more YOURS, I’d say) and during most o Reagan and the firt Bush years, they had to get candidates past fanatically pro-abortion DEMOCRAT senators to get on the SC. Democrats in case you forgot, killed off the nomination of Robert Bork, perhaps the finest candidate nominated to the SC in my lifetime SOLEY because of his stated opposition to Roe v Wade. Opposition that was NOT ideological, but rooted soundly in the FACT (even Ginsburg has admitted this) that Roe was an abominably badly reasoned decision.

So get over this idea that the republicans have done nothing. They’ve done everything that they could reasonably be expected to under the Roe decision. The ONLY reason Roe still stand is because DEMOCRATS have made it their FIRST priority to defend it.

I’m with you on the death penalty. Once the million innocents killed per year in abortion are dealt with, we can address the few hundred guilty murders that are executed in an era where it no longer makes sense.

I’m still torn on the war, but even if you are 100% right, proportionality still says that it pales in comparison to the bloodbath of abortion.

It’s really quite simple. As voters, we are like cops seeing at the same time a guy with a knife committing a murder and another guy with an AK47 machine gunning kids in a park. To me, it’s really not that hard to decide which crime merits my attention FIRST! That would STILL be my duty as a cop even if the knife vistim were somebody I knew and the kids getting gunned down were strangers.
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Except, I’m not so torn about the war since our country has an all volunteer military. Or did I miss the draft somehow???
 
The Democratic party is more interested in governing for the benefit of the ENTIRE populace equally, whether they be hardworking or lazy bums waiting for their welfare check.

The Republican party has had the mentality that if you work to earn more, then you should be able to keep what you earn.

FDR’s grand Social Security scheme? The idiocity of it is coming to fruition. Stupid!! If I were able, I’d opt out in a heartbeat.
 
Actually there are a broad spectrum of issues about which conservative Evangelicals and conservative Catholics find more appealing about Republicans than about Democrats:
  1. Life issues: Republicans, on balance, are more often and more consistently in favor of restrictions on abortion, euthanasia, and similar issues. Democrats almost universally support the legalization of abortion and usually support some sort of euthanasia (so called “right-to-die” or “death with dignity”).
  2. Morality: Republicans are more consistently in favor of laws which encourage traditional, heterosexual marriage, chastity outside of heterosexual marriage, and so forth. Moreover, Republicans are in favor of teaching moral values even if those moral values have a clearly-Christian basis (i.e., they will support some sort of arrangement for prayer and Bible study within the context of public schools, prisons, and other public institutions). Democrats often clearly wish to redefine marriage and morality and tend to be militantly secularist: they want to exclude much or all public expression of religious values in public institutions.
  3. Property rights/taxation: Republicans clearly support the right of private ownership of property, including limits on forcible confiscation of such property by means of taxation. Democrats tend on-balance to advocate confiscatory policies and have clearly favored socialization of such things as medicine and education. Some of the more leftward-leaning Democrats clearly identify with some elements of social-democracy or with some sort of liberal vision of democratic socialism.
  4. Limited roles for government/shared roles with other social institutions, including but not limited to churches: Republicans believe in a limited role for government and that many of the things presently done by government are better and more effectively accomplished by private bodies such as churches. (Hence the ‘faith-based organizations’ program of President Bush, for example).
This does not mean that the American Democratic Party does not offer anything for Christians:
  1. Concern for the working poor and the poor: Democrats have long favored public policies which protect these groups. Republicans have tended to favor policies which allow the very-wealthy and large corporations to prosper at the expense of the welfare of the least-advantaged.
  2. Opposition to racism and bigotry: while the Democrats have been spotty in how they actually legislate on such issues–it has been largely Republicans who have sponsored and passed civil rights legislation–the fact is that Democrats bring this issue to the table for discussion more consistently than have Republicans.
In a hierarchy of values, Republicans tend to favor issues more central to the Christian faith than do the Democrats. Having said this, the Republic Party is not the Party of Jesus, nor the Democrats the Enemies of Christ.

This, IMHO, is why religious people in the USA favor Republicans over Democrats.
 
The Democratic party is more interested in governing for the benefit of the ENTIRE populace equally, whether they be hardworking or lazy bums waiting for their welfare check.

The Republican party has had the mentality that if you work to earn more, then you should be able to keep what you earn.

And in so doing of late, charitable donations are up by quite a bit.

FDR’s grand Social Security scheme? The idiocity of it is coming to fruition. Stupid!! If I were able, I’d opt out in a heartbeat.
 
You missed the point. I was giving an extreme example of two potential candidates showing that giving the two candidates, most would vote for the Republican solely because he was pro-life
Last I checked Barney Frank, democrat, in still in office after having a male prostitute ring at his office, and Garry studds, democrat, stayed in office after having sex with a 17 year old page and Ted Kennedy, democrat, is still ifn office after drowning a girl at Chappaquidik and Marion Barry, drug addict, etc., democrat, still got re-elected.The list go on and on. If a choice is made between a democrat or republican, I am voting for the pro-life one. There are 50 million dead babies.
 
FDR was responsible for “Interest Group Bargaining” which pushed forth lobbyists; prior to this there were approximate 200 lobbyists in Washington. Over a short period, it went to 2000 lobbyists. An example would be the pharmaceutical company who sends people to promote pills and potions to make a buck. We cannot fight these paid lawyer-lobbyists.
 
I read the “voters guide for serious Catholics” and soon realized with was basically telling you to vote Republican. Part of what made me realize that was the ommission of capital punishment from the list of things you can not vote for.

Also from talking to my evangelical friends, it seems they are blindly in support of republicans.

My question is, what has the republican party done for the cause of christ? Are there more strict abortion laws? Has Gay marriage been stopped? What about the quality of life of the average american?
I heard an interview with an (the?) Evangelical leader, and boy was he displeased with results of 18 out of 26 years of loyalty Evangelicals have given to Republicans.
 
Name FIVE Democrats currently in office that 1) Support Adult Stems 2) Believe women deserve better than abortion 3) Don’t support gay “marriage” 4) Voted for the Partial Birth Abortion BAN 5) Voted against the amendment that would weaken the Mexico City Policy 6) Voted FOR Laci and Connor’s Law and 7) Voted FOR the Born Alive Victims act that protects babies born alive during abortions from being left to die. Yes, the Republican party is corrupt. However, in my state - in my congressional district, a Republican was just reelected. He’s prolife, a devout Catholic and a strong voice for the unborn. How many Democrats are willing to not only VOTE ProLife, but to ACT Pro life? And by ACTING ProLife, I mean not donating money to people like HIlary “NO Abortion Restrictions” Clinton.
 
The Republican dominated Supreme Court could have instantly reversed Roe vs. Wade had they cared to, yet they did nothing. The Republican (formerly) dominated Congress would have done nothing to reverse the reversal. The FAR RIGHT takes Catholic votes for granted.

For six years Republicans had exclusive control of every single branch of the federal government, they could have changed things had they really wanted to, yet we still have abortion, what have they changed?

Yet the Republicans take downright anti-Christian laws to fruition, which no-one has said a single word about. The Republicans basically tell the poor to drop dead, it seems like Jesus said something about it being easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich person to enter heaven. Yet the Repubs continue to slash taxes for the rich, it is easy to see who’s side they are on, the rich.

The Republicans and their President lied about non-existent weapons of mass destruction to get us in a war that is taking thousands of American lives. How is taking thousands of lives to be construed in any way as “pro-life”?
 
Any law restricting abortion is immediately challenged by Planned Parenthood. Proof? The Partial Birth Abortion Ban that was SIGNED INTO LAW. Any time lawmakers try to restrict abortion at all - Planned Parenthood SUES. They sue because they think that women’s health will be at risk. They sue because they think that protecting WANTED children (Laci and Connor’s law, which luckily is the law of the land) will prevent abortion. It’d be nice if there was someone out there with a backbone that cared about life issues (against abortion, against embryonic stem cell research, against assisted suicide) and the poor (job skills, good day care help) and could help people get OFF welfare. It’d be nice if there was someone who could come up with a way to save Social Security so that when my nieces and nephews are elderly, they can have $ to help them out. But I don’t know anyone out there. Maybe he/she hasn’t been born? Maybe he/she was aborted today? THe SUpreme Court still is 5-4 in favor of Roe vs. Wade. But Someday it WILL be overturned. It took a Civil War to stop slavery (and other things that the North and South couldn’t agree on). I hope it doesn’t take another to make America wake up. BTW, 3000 babies die every day from abortion.
 
originally posted by boppsybud
The Republican dominated Supreme Court could have instantly reversed Roe vs. Wade had they cared to, yet they did nothing.
Let’s not rewrite history. Reagen could not get a true conservative on the courts. It was brutal even to nominate a candidate for the courts. It was much more difficult than under Bush. Do we not remember Bork and Douglas Ginsburg(he admitted that he had smoked pot in the past)? When asked if Bork was in favor of abortion he made a simple one line statement “He couldn’t even understand Griswold vs. Connecticut”(contraception law)

That was it. Bork was attack as an radical extremist. Hollywood blasted Bork with an AD featuring Gregory Peck stating “Our right to privacy will be taken away” which ran on all major TV stations.
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse form the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years. "
Alexander Tyler, Historian
 
Democrats = social libertarianism + economic statism

Republicans = social statism + economic libertarianism

This, anyway is the ideal, there is considerable overlap.
 
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