I have already told you carbon dating is not used to date the earth, this has nothing to do with calibration, but to do with the duration of the half life.If its the M31 question I won’t answer it I am happy to admit I have never considered it before. I did not pretend I had all the answers or that I was going to disprove the millions of years theory on the contrary I am asking you to prove this theory to me been as it is the new theory.
I presume AlbertBall m31 is a star supposedly millions of years away? Well the answer has two answers, one by faith one by science. The Scriptures tell us God showed man starlight on the day he created Adam and Eve less that 10,000 years ago. We are also told, man still alive will see the stars in chaos on the last day.carbon dating is not used to date the earth. Again how can it be we can see m31?
We are discussing the date of the earth, Rossum bases his belief on the date of the earth on carbon dating are you suggesting he is wrong to do so?I have already told you carbon dating is not used to date the earth, this has nothing to do with calibration, but to do with the duration of the half life.
No he didn’t, he said Carbon dating falsifies your claim the earth is around 10000 years old.We are discussing the date of the earth, Rossum bases his belief on the date of the earth on carbon dating are you suggesting he is wrong to do so?
No m31 is not a star, the rest of you post is very painful to read. Believe me the size of the universe is very much “a science”, a science you clearly know little about given you don’t even know what m31 is.I presume AlbertBall m31 is a star supposedly millions of years away? Well the answer has two answers, one by faith one by science. The Scriptures tell us God showed man starlight on the day he created Adam and Eve less that 10,000 years ago. We are also told, man still alive will see the stars in chaos on the last day.
From a scientific view I presume you know that measuring the distance of starlight is an assumed science, which of course is not a science. Why science doesnt even know a far star from a near star. So the true distance of stars could well be only a day away, a week away, a year away, 5,000 years away, 10,000 years away. Who knows?
What is the science of your dating method? Why do you trust this method?Rossum is correct, in my opinion. I am a Catholic. I am a religionist. Everyone on CAF knows these things about me. But, I work with fossils. I have been to where the layers of earth have been dug up. I have used a hammer and a chisel. I have separated the layers and found extinct creatures, particularly fish. I know those layers are much, much older than 10,000 years. If we wouldn’t try so hard to work the earth into our own peculiar schemes of things, we wouldn’t have this problem.
Merry Christmas and God bless,
jd
Oh big deal Albert, less of the rhetoric and just tell me what M31 is then. I probably know as much ABOUT science as you do and I never heard of M31. - Unless it is a highway somewhere. Oh, I just googled it in and found it is not a star, but a group of stars known by me as the Andromeda Galaxy.No m31 is not a star, the rest of you post is very painful to read. Believe me the size of the universe is very much “a science”, a science you clearly know little about given you don’t even know what m31 is.
There is a lot of Greenland. The annual layers are a long way from where the planes were.The airplanes landed near the shore of Greenland, where snow accumulation is rapid, at about 2 m per year. Allowing for some compaction due to the weight of the snow, that accounts for the depth of snow under which they are buried. The planes are also on an active glacier and have moved about 2 km since landing. Ice core dating takes place on stable ice fields, not active glaciers. The interior of Greenland, where ice cores were taken, receives much less snow.Greenland - The ice is around 12000 feet at the thickest. In the 80’s they went to recover a WWII plane that crashed. There was over 200 feet of ice over the top.
That’s around 5 feet per year give or take.
10000 feet / 5 feet per year = 2000 years. Just sayin…
Correct, which is why scientists have measured radioactive decay rates in the past and have found that they are constant.Indeed but for that to be reliable the actual rate of decay of the thing you apply it to has to be constant and always uniform.
Creationist source?There is a lot of Greenland. The annual layers are a long way from where the planes were.The airplanes landed near the shore of Greenland, where snow accumulation is rapid, at about 2 m per year. Allowing for some compaction due to the weight of the snow, that accounts for the depth of snow under which they are buried. The planes are also on an active glacier and have moved about 2 km since landing. Ice core dating takes place on stable ice fields, not active glaciers. The interior of Greenland, where ice cores were taken, receives much less snow.
Source: Claim CD410: Airplanes Buried in Ice.Your creationist sources are lying by omission. Why are you following sources thet ignore one of the Ten Commandments?
rossum
Are you saying that Adam and Eve lived in Heaven before they lived on earth? If so, that is the false doctrine of the preexistence and it contradicts scripture which clearly shows that they were created on the earth.For the problem of the age of Earth (according to the Bible) and the dinosaurs. The Bible says nothing about how much time Adam & Eve spent in heaven. They were immortal (but the other animals weren’t) and if, for example, they were created 8 million years ago (along with dinosaurs and such) Adam & Eve lived but the dinosaurs died and became fossils. And then 7.9 million years later they would eat the forbidden fruit.
Anyway, I can’t say whether this is true or not, since it is just a theory I came up right now.
I found that to be a strange post. One of the things about this thread comes back to the idea that Church teaching does not require a believe in creationism. A God guided evolution is fine by Church teaching. Think of the incredible awesome power of God shown in billions of years of creation. Since he is outside of time…what is so hard to accept about it? BTW…can you imagine God trying to explain to Moses the theory of relativity in Scripture?Are you saying that Adam and Eve lived in Heaven before they lived on earth? If so, that is the false doctrine of the preexistence and it contradicts scripture which clearly shows that they were created on the earth.
It is very relevant since the Church has and will continue to comment about any claims made by science regarding man’s true origin. The Church has declared the universe has a finite age.The question of the age of the universe is irrelevant to the task of religion
This is a point I think both sides can agree upon.
Just as we, as individuals, may be the only ‘Bible’ some will ever read, the Earth is a ‘book’ with as many mysteries as God Himself. God gave man the ability to reason in an effort to understand the many complicities of our Earth, to attempt, as it were, to ‘read’ the hidden messages beneath its surface and beyond its sky. In this regard, I am willing to accept the vast scientific evidence that supports the age of the Earth to be be between 13.65 billion years and 13.7 billion years old.
I am still somewhat sleep deprived, but I hope there was something rational to my above thoughts!
Merry Christmas!
Peace, good will…
I find nothing awesome about billions of years of creation. What I do find awesome is Jesus giving sight to the blind instantly, cleansing the lepers instantly and raising the dead instantly. These are things God can do.I found that to be a strange post. One of the things about this thread comes back to the idea that Church teaching does not require a believe in creationism. A God guided evolution is fine by Church teaching. Think of the incredible awesome power of God shown in billions of years of creation. Since he is outside of time…what is so hard to accept about it? BTW…can you imagine God trying to explain to Moses the theory of relativity in Scripture?
Humans die because of sin. I think animals die because it’s a different way of life for them. I’ve heard that animals have material souls or something like thatHere is a problem I have run into:
Thanks.
- As Christians we are taught that death entered creation through man’s sin.
- The earth is billions of years old, and countless speices had gone extinct before the evotution of man.
I am not able to reconcile the two statements.
I have submited this to different appologist, and no one has replied.
Any thoughts? Is this bad theology?
Phil
It’s 2.5 million light years away- this means the light that enters our eyes and is processed by our brains left that galaxy 2.5 million years ago.Oh big deal Albert, less of the rhetoric and just tell me what M31 is then. I probably know as much ABOUT science as you do and I never heard of M31. - Unless it is a highway somewhere. Oh, I just googled it in and found it is not a star, but a group of stars known by me as the Andromeda Galaxy.
Now don’t you think what is good enough for a star is applicable to a group of stars Albert?
I assume that you are thinking about Romans 5:12 “Therefore as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all men sinned.”Here is a problem I have run into:
- As Christians we are taught that death entered creation through man’s sin.
- The earth is billions of years old, and countless speices had gone extinct before the evotution of man.
I am not able to reconcile the two statements.
I have submited this to different appologist, and no one has replied.
Any thoughts? Is this bad theology?
believe it or not the answer can only be found in Catholic bibles which contain the Book of Wisdom.God and death do not go together for God is life.So how and why and when did death of humans and animals[see Wisdom 1:13-14].When Adam fell the whole of creation fell with him.It is a mistake to think this was millions of years after animals were created and were dying before Adams sin for humans and animals were created together.God did not see the millions of skeletons of dead things torn about and savaged to death and then create Adam and say to him,look at the “very good” world I have created for you - twincHumans die because of sin. I think animals die because it’s a different way of life for them. I’ve heard that animals have material souls or something like that