You seem to imply (in your comments) that the Church should be doing something different – something other than teach that divorce is wrong and that SSM is illegitimate. Why not ask: What forces in society are leading people away from God’s truth?
You are the Church. Do you seek to evangelize your gay friends? I think you are in a unique position to offer a great ministry.
This is highly commendable, Seeker, and I respect your commitment to God. Turning from sexual immorality (or any “pleasure” sin) is a very difficult thing to do. Perhaps God is calling you to minister to those who can identify with the cross you bear…
Like I said, the LGBT is a blanket term. There is no organisation that is the LGBT community - the term covers every single person that considers themselves gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender. You can’t tell me that every single one of these people only wants marriage so people accept homosexuality. That’s absurd. Besides, I’d imagine most of them would be more rational minded, and would know that SSM wouldn’t make that happen.
Whatever you say, dear.
Are you joking? Maybe that should be part of a new pro-gay campaign. “Satan supports same-sex marriage. Do you?”
You didn’t really directly answer the question, you just stated that it was evil, but I noticed that you implied that homosexuals want marriage so people accept homosexuality. Once again, I’ll claim this is an absurd thing to say, and an extremely broad statement, and isn’t a claim you can ever prove.
I answered the original question, from a moral theological standpoint. You don’t believe in absolute morality or in God, which means we have no common ground for discussion in moral theology- a subject which you clearly do not understand or seek to understand. Having no background, you can only result to mockery.
Yes, these heterodox “friends” clearly do not understand the Creed, which is deeply theological. Implicit in this deeply theological Creed is an acceptance of the teachings of the Magisterium- which absolutely condemns same sex “marriage.”
I hope that you are right about the courts, but I doubt you are. There will surely be a new court in the coming years. If the President is reelected, it is highly likely that the court will be more liberal in its interpretation of the Constitution. From that anything will be possible.
Still relevant
It doesn’t mean “Catholic,” like Roman Catholic; it means “universal.” And a lot of Christians use the creed, not just Catholics. And some of those churches marry same sex couples.
I don’t care how liberal they are, church and state is an inviolable concept.
No, I don’t have a problem with it and don’t want it struck down.
The Catholic Church cannot prevent other churches from using the Nicene Creed- or from “marrying” same sex couples. If other churches want to “marry” same sex couples, it only proves that those other churches are in error. So what, is that news?
That should read: *most *Catholics…
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
Nope, because it doesn’t violate it. But explaining would get us way off-topic in this thread. Go post in a thread about HHS and send me a link in PM if you want to discuss it with me and I’ll post there.Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
So you disregard the “inviolable concept of church and state” regarding HHS?
Ok, let’s say this another way. My friends believe in the Trinity, they believe in the life, death and resurrection of Jesus, they believe in baptism…their problems come in with birth control, divorce and gay marriage. It doesn’t mean they think it’s an error, they struggle with the understanding. It’s what has led many of them to Protestant churches or out of church altogether.
I think the Church should be doing something different because we are clearly not communicating the link between the Gospel of Jesus and the social issues of today. People aren’t seeing the big picture. And yes, it’s easy to blame “Satan” because then it’s no longer our fault. We can wash our hands of all those souls and continue to bask in our moral superiority.
I think the Church is doing a great job here: artificial contraception, abortion, euthanasia, embryonic stem-cell research, and same-sex marriage are all terrible things, great wrongs. The Church is right about them all. This should be a clear sign to the faithful that their Church is a much surer guide in moral matters than opinion polls and sentiment.
Why are these things terrible things?
What is terrible about abortion, embryonic stem cell research, and euthanasia should be obvious: they are the deliberate destruction of human beings. (Thou shalt not kill and all that.) Advocacy for same-sex marriage stems from a confusion about marriage and sexuality. (Same-sex couples cannot make a marriage and homosexual acts are depraved and harm those who perform them.) The use of artificial contraception is wrong in itself and the widespread use of it has so decayed normal moral thinking----the only reason many people NOW think same-sex marriage is fine is that they’ve been using contraceptives all their lives and think sex has nothing to do with children (-unless, you know, you happen to be into the whole biological family thing)— that people a) think abortion, embryonic stem-cell research and euthanasia are fine and b) that they know this because they’re so morally astute, not like that backward old Church.
No, it doesn’t. I’m sorry, but just because you believe this with all your heart, it’s just totally untrue and all you have to do is look at the reasons people do advocate for it.
What parts of ‘marriage is a Holy Sacrament’ and ‘sex between two people of the same gender is gravely disordered’ don’t you get?