Why do heretics go to hell?

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I mean,the leader/priests who are said to be heretics,if they just genuinly got confused,misguided and believed that what they were saying/believing was true-then why would they got to hell?
Some people might answer,because they should be humble and accept the Churches teaching.
But if they genuinly believed that what they were saying was true-then how could they do that?
For example those Sedevacantists,they, i think,in their minds believe that the Pope is a heretic,so how could they be expected to humbly submit to to Church belief out of humility when they dont believe in the Church?

I’d understand,God sending to hell a heretic person that believed that Catholic was the truth,but then from “wicked” cunning intentions purposely steered/led people away from the Church,but regarding heretcics that are misled/delude,.confused etc,for them i dont understand.

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music2 said:
I mean,the leader/priests who are said to be heretics,if they just genuinly got confused,misguided and believed that what they were saying/believing was true-then why would they got to hell?
Some people might answer,because they should be humble and accept the Churches teaching.
But if they genuinly believed that what they were saying was true-then how could they do that?
For example those Sedevacantists,they, i think,in their minds believe that the Pope is a heretic,so how could they be expected to humbly submit to to Church belief out of humility when they dont believe in the Church?

I’d understand,God sending to hell a heretic person that believed that Catholic was the truth,but then from “wicked” cunning intentions purposely steered/led people away from the Church,but regarding heretcics that are misled/delude,.confused etc,for them i dont understand.

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God does not send anyone to Hell. People choose to go there by rejecting God’s love.
 
Music2, if a person is genuinely confused and is trying to seek what is true, there is no heresy. We use that word to denote a specific, deliberate choice to defy the Church. God is very merciful and lenient, because He knows we are weak… but there’s a limit. He also knows our psychology very well, and only the Lord can tell who is truly confused and who is trying to mislead souls. Don’t paint everything with so wide a brush! 😃
 
Because they don’t go to confession and not in communion with the catholic church. 🙂
 
One word can send a heretic to hell: PRIDE.
In his pride, he says: “I, MYSELF, who have existed for so short a time, set MYSELF up over and against this Church which has existed for almost two thousand years [or whatever]; and declare that MY knowledge of the Truth is superior to its.”.
 
mariafransisca2 said:
Because they don’t go to confession and not in communion with the catholic church. 🙂
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That would mean that all people(Protestants, Jews, Muslims, Hundus etc) who don’t go to confession and receive communion will go to Hell.
That is not the case.
To the OP: How do you know they go to Hell? Nobody knows who goes to Hell but God.
 
Lui said:
That would mean that all people(Protestants, Jews, Muslims, Hundus etc) who don’t go to confession and receive communion will go to Hell.
That is not the case.
To the OP: How do you know they go to Hell? Nobody knows who goes to Hell but God.
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Do you not see the irony in making those statements? How do you know that they will not go to hell? Nobody knows who goes to Hell but God.

(I am not disagreeing with you in principle, only pointing out that this knife cuts both ways.)
 
TuAutem said:
Do you not see the irony in making those statements? How do you know that they will not go to hell? Nobody knows who goes to Hell but God.

(I am not disagreeing with you in principle, only pointing out that this knife cuts both ways.)
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You misunderstood me. I didn’t mean they will definitely NOT go to Hell. I meant it is not the case that anybody who isn’t a Catholic who confesses and receives communion(like Protestants, Muslims, Jews etc) will definitely go to Hell. The case is that no one knows who will go to Hell but God. I’m pretty sure that the Church does not teach that all non-Catholics will go straight to Hell.
Btw, I personally feel people should stop judging or guessing who will go to Hell or not. I’ve noticed that a lot around here. I’ve asked both confession priests at my last two confessions if anybody knows who will go to Hell and both said NO. So how do people on here think they have this divine knowledge:rolleyes:
 
I just wanted to add why this upsets me. Most of my family(especially my father) are atheists, I have many friends who are atheists or religious but non-Catholics. Many of them are still good and moral people. To read that they all will go to Hell because they don’t happen to be Catholic is really upsetting. 😦
Just the other day there was a thread of a person about to convert who was originally a Hindu and was upset because he thought that the rest of his family will go to Hell because they are Hindus and was thinking of not converting if that were the case because he didn’t want to go to Heaven if the rest of his family rots in Hell.
I asked my confession priests about this because I find it really scary to think that my dad, my other family members and very dear friends will all go to Hell. Both denied that that is necessarily the case.
 
Lui said:
I just wanted to add why this upsets me. Most of my family(especially my father) are atheists, I have many friends who are atheists or religious but non-Catholics. Many of them are still good and moral people. To read that they all will go to Hell because they don’t happen to be Catholic is really upsetting. 😦
Just the other day there was a thread of a person about to convert who was originally a Hindu and was upset because he thought that the rest of his family will go to Hell because they are Hindus and was thinking of not converting if that were the case because he didn’t want to go to Heaven if the rest of his family rots in Hell.
I asked my confession priests about this because I find it really scary to think that my dad, my other family members and very dear friends will all go to Hell. Both denied that that is necessarily the case.
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I know how you feel.
I stated the question that way because i was under the impression that that was what the Chrich taught although i could wrong.
 
GloriousOrder said:
Music2, if a person is genuinely confused and is trying to seek what is true, there is no heresy. We use that word to denote a specific, deliberate choice to defy the Church. God is very merciful and lenient, because He knows we are weak… but there’s a limit. He also knows our psychology very well, and only the Lord can tell who is truly confused and who is trying to mislead souls. Don’t paint everything with so wide a brush! 😃
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What does the saying “wide brush” mean please?
Is that the same as don’t think so black and white?
 
Lui said:
I just wanted to add why this upsets me. Most of my family(especially my father) are atheists, I have many friends who are atheists or religious but non-Catholics. Many of them are still good and moral people. To read that they all will go to Hell because they don’t happen to be Catholic is really upsetting. 😦
Just the other day there was a thread of a person about to convert who was originally a Hindu and was upset because he thought that the rest of his family will go to Hell because they are Hindus and was thinking of not converting if that were the case because he didn’t want to go to Heaven if the rest of his family rots in Hell.
I asked my confession priests about this because I find it really scary to think that my dad, my other family members and very dear friends will all go to Hell. Both denied that that is necessarily the case.
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There is nothing impossible in prayers. We can lose our salvation ourselves (Catholics) if we commit mortal sin. Missing a Mass on Sundays and do not confess about it is a mortal sin. It is very important to observe the teachings of the Catholic Church especially the Holy Eucharist. Many in the Catholic church I know receive Jesus sacrilegiously, though they would be informed to go to confession, still won’t listen. For other non-Catholics that I know, won’t open up to the truth, but closed their minds that Catholic faith is a dead religion, even though they would be informed about the truthfulness of the Catholic faith…speaking of pride.
 
FCEGM said:
The Church’s doctrine extra ecclesia nulla salus (outside of the Church there is no salvation) is what the Church teaches and has always taught; it must, however, be properly understood. This might be helpful to you:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=5003231&postcount=11
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Yes that but that addresses invincible ignorance. Heretics, who willfully reject the truth, are not invincibly ignorant by definition. They know the teachings but willfully reject and preach otherwise.
 
I would never presume or want to judge, or even conceive how to judge, another person except my myself…

BP
 
MartyrForJesus said:
Yes that but that addresses invincible ignorance. Heretics, who willfully reject the truth, are not invincibly ignorant by definition. They know the teachings but willfully reject and preach otherwise.
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That is true. By definition a heretic is a Catholic who knows the Church teachings and has rejected one or more of the Church teachings. Dying unrepentant such a person condemns themselves to Hell.
 
thistle said:
That is true. By definition a heretic is a Catholic who knows the Church teachings and has rejected one or more of the Church teachings. Dying unrepentant such a person condemns themselves to Hell.
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But this is a logical impossibility. One that I simply cannot get a grip on.

If one truly KNOWS Catholic teaching, then one KNOWS that rejecting it results in damnation. To truly KNOW this, in other words to be under the complete understanding and acceptance that this is in fact the case, one would have to be truly insane to willfully and with full consent, deny this teaching. (Knowing what the alternative is). No such person could possibly exist.

This hypethetical person could not be held responsible either because they could not be in complete control of thier facilties to behave this way.

I submit that to KNOW (meaning fully underrstand and BELIEVE this to be so) and to not submit, is incomprehensible. It’s like arguing 1 + 1 = 3.

I guess there is something I am not understanding with this doctrine. It defies logic.
 
Lui said:
Btw, I personally feel people should stop judging or guessing who will go to Hell or not. I’ve noticed that a lot around here. I’ve asked both confession priests at my last two confessions if anybody knows who will go to Hell and both said NO. So how do people on here think they have this divine knowledge:rolleyes:
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The Bible says that the unrepentant will go to hell. If a person persists in their sin until death and does not repent, then according to the Bible they are going to suffer in hell.

“9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.”
1 Corinthians 6:9-10

“Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.”
Mark 16:16

“Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins.”
Acts 2:38
 
Mijoy2 said:
But this is a logical impossibility. One that I simply cannot get a grip on.

If one truly KNOWS Catholic teaching, then one KNOWS that rejecting it results in damnation. To truly KNOW this, in other words to be under the complete understanding and acceptance that this is in fact the case, one would have to be truly insane to willfully and with full consent, deny this teaching. (Knowing what the alternative is). No such person could possibly exist.

This hypethetical person could not be held responsible either because they could not be in complete control of thier facilties to behave this way.

I submit that to KNOW (meaning fully underrstand and BELIEVE this to be so) and to not submit, is incomprehensible. It’s like arguing 1 + 1 = 3.

I guess there is something I am not understanding with this doctrine. It defies logic.
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You are wrong.

Catholics are not bound by the Church teachings only if they fully understand them. They are bound by them if they know the Church teaches them. Of course Catholics should then make every effort to understand them but that is not a requirement for the obligation to accept the teachings.
If a Catholic does not know the Church teaches a particular thing then that is vincible ignorance. For example, let’s suppose a Catholic did not know the Church teaches that using artificial birth control (ABC) was a sin of grave matter then by using ABC such a person would not have committed a mortal sin. However, if that person is told by a priest or anyone that it is a Church teaching and shown the teaching in the CCC then that person is BOUND upon pain of mortal sin to accept that teaching. He cannot say that may be what the Church teaches but because he does not understand why then he is not bound by the teaching.
If a Catholic is the age of reason and of sound mind and he knows the Church teaches this and that are sins of grave matter then that person is BOUND by the teachings upon pain of mortal sin.
 
thistle said:
You are wrong.

Catholics are not bound by the Church teachings only if they fully understand them. They are bound by them if they know the Church teaches them. Of course Catholics should then make every effort to understand them but that is not a requirement for the obligation to accept the teachings.
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See this is were I get confused, perhaps I should start a thread.

Based on what you suggest in the above quote then:

A nominal Catholic, who knows (I believe most do) that the CC claims that missing Mass on Sunday is a grave sin, yet does not know and believe that the CC has the authority to make such a claim is still committing a mortal sin (for the reason you state above). However, the nominal Protestant who knows that the CC claims that missing Mass is a grave sin, but by virtue of the fact that he is not catholic, is not necassarily committing a mortal sin.

Then one would conclude it would be better for the nominal catholic to rebuke his catholicism and become protestant. Which of course he will not do because he is obviously unaware that the CC has the authority (or does not accept that the CC has the authority, to pass judgement on what is grave sin and what is not).

See the hole in the logic? By this logic, 80% (based on what I have read on the internet) of catholics are in a state of mortal sin for this reason alone, never mind any others. Most the entire flock is damned.
 
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