Why do Jews succeed?

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In my opinion the success of Jews is primarily cultural. At least that’s the way it seems in South Florida. Here there seems to be a strong expectation that a Jewish child will become a successful business owner or some kind of professional, i.e. M.D., lawyer, accountant, dentist, etc. I can strongly relate to this aspect of the Jewish culture because it is also found in the Cuban culture (mine). Growing up, most of my non-Jewish and non-Cuban friends did not seem to have those cultural expectations placed on them. Their families just wanted them to be employed or have some technical trade. *(This is a generalization of course.)
*The fact is that if you go see a Medical Doctor or a lawyer in South Florida they will most likely be a Jew or a Cuban.

Another example of why I think it’s cultural can be found in the New York Mob history. In the early days of Meyer Lansky’s “career” he had his own Jewish troops/enforcers. However, there came a time where he could no longer find any Jewish thugs to recruit. Many Jews were making their kids become Doctors, lawyers, businessman, etc. He was forced to make an alliance with the Italian mobsters.

On the other hand, is that really success. There are many unhappy lawyers and doctors that did not really have a vocation for those professions. That includes me. In my heart I am a guitarist. I guess I became a lawyer because there are so few and the country was in dire need of more lawyers.😃

What I find most disturbing about Jews is the fact they are so disproportionally successful
in stand-up comedy. This is an embarrassment! More gentile families need to encourage their children to become stand-up comedians. We can all use more laughter.😃
Of course most doctors and lawyers in South Florida are Jews and Cubans: who else lives in South Florida?! I think the Jewish cultural striving for success is still there to a degree, but nowadays most Jewish parents are content if their children are employed and themselves happy with the choices they made in their lives. One need no longer be only a doctor or a lawyer. You are right about stand-up comics, however; Jews see the humor in every situation.
 
Of course most doctors and lawyers in South Florida are Jews and Cubans: who else lives in South Florida?! I think the Jewish cultural striving for success is still there to a degree, but nowadays most Jewish parents are content if their children are employed and themselves happy with the choices they made in their lives. One need no longer be only a doctor or a lawyer. You are right about stand-up comics, however; Jews see the humor in every situation.
Meltzerboy, what about emphasis on education? I think this is something common to Jewish families—and more recently Asian families. We all know that without an education, you are unlikely to succeed at least on a financial basis. Certainly in some ethnic groups, education is just not a priority. You can see this in dropout rates and unwed motherhood among certain ethnic minorities. Neither is conducive to getting an education!

I certainly know that my family’s support for education and assumption that my sister and I would go to college had a lot to do with my interest in getting good grades and taking the tougher classes in middle and high school versus cruising through as did some of my friends whose parents were just not focused on education for their kids.

Lisa
 
Meltzerboy, what about emphasis on education? I think this is something common to Jewish families—and more recently Asian families. We all know that without an education, you are unlikely to succeed at least on a financial basis. Certainly in some ethnic groups, education is just not a priority. You can see this in dropout rates and unwed motherhood among certain ethnic minorities. Neither is conducive to getting an education!

I certainly know that my family’s support for education and assumption that my sister and I would go to college had a lot to do with my interest in getting good grades and taking the tougher classes in middle and high school versus cruising through as did some of my friends whose parents were just not focused on education for their kids.

Lisa
As I pointed out in a prior thread, Lisa, not all Hasidic Orthodox Jewish families prioritize education, especially for their daughters. Instead, they tend to foster traditional female roles of wife and mother. Traditional, non-Hasidic Orthodox Jewish families are somewhat different, however, in that they do favor bright women who compete in the workplace environment. But even this statement is a generalization, which no doubt varies from one family to another. By and large, I would say a certain level of academic competence and reading and writing literacy among all family members is encouraged by Jewish parents. In my own case, my parents were happy if I was happy with the choices I made. I don’t recall their ever pushing me in a particular direction. I don’t know if this is typical of most Jewish families today but several of my friends had similar experiences. Jews are a heterogeneous group, as I imagine other ethnic groups are as well, and I hesitate to generalize too broadly on matters such as educational values. Nonetheless, I myself do generalize, as an outside observer, in the instance of other groups of people, such as Asians, and particularly Japanese, Chinese, and Koreans, who seem to me very hard-working as students (and usually successful), have respect for their elders, and endeavor to avoid bringing shame to their families. However, as younger Asians are becoming more Americanized, I’ve noticed these traditional family values are deteriorating somewhat. I guess the Protestant small-town ethic is not all that it used to be in this great country of ours!
 
SavingGrace,

True the Jews are / were the chosen people and God will not forget to draft them back into the fold.

However, are the Jews truly, truly successful in the eyes of God? No not at all, the Jews lost for the time being Jesus Christ as their Savior.

What profit a man if he gains the whole world, but then looses his soul… by not obeying / following Jesus Christ and His Church.

A poor man / woman having Jesus Christ in his / her heart and hears the Church Jesus Christ established are truly the ones succeeding in God’s eyes.

Ufam Tobie
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SavingGrace,

True the Jews are / were the chosen people and God will not forget to draft them back into the fold.

**However, are the Jews truly, truly successful in the eyes of God? No not at all, the Jews lost for the time being Jesus Christ as their Savior. **

What profit a man if he gains the whole world, but then looses his soul… by not obeying / following Jesus Christ and His Church.

A poor man / woman having Jesus Christ in his / her heart and hears the Church Jesus Christ established are truly the ones succeeding in God’s eyes.

Ufam Tobie
I won’t judge another persons soul or presume to speak for God. The Church has long held the view that non-Catholics may enter Heaven because it is God’s position and his alone to judge who is worthy of Heaven.

Whether you like it or not, there will be non-Catholics and non-Christians in Heaven.
 
I won’t judge another persons soul or presume to speak for God. The Church has long held the view that non-Catholics may enter Heaven because it is God’s position and his alone to judge who is worthy of Heaven.

Whether you like it or not, there will be non-Catholics and non-Christians in Heaven.
SavingGrace,

I will repost what I posted below and please tell me were do you see me Judging another soul?

"True the Jews are / were the chosen people and God will not forget to draft them back into the fold.

However, are the Jews truly, truly successful in the eyes of God? No not at all, the Jews lost for the time being Jesus Christ as their Savior.

What profit a man if he gains the whole world, but then looses his soul… by not obeying / following Jesus Christ and His Church.

A poor man / woman having Jesus Christ in his / her heart and hears the Church Jesus Christ established are truly the ones succeeding in God’s eyes".

Tell me, were exactly did I judge another soul in the above post in red?

Savinggrace, you read my post to you, incorrectly. and for your information wether you like it or not, I would like to see all in Heaven.

Ufam Tobie

Ufam Tobie
 
With regard to the education of family among more Orthodox Jews, the stereotype does not always fit. While some traditionally Orthodox Jews place a high priority on education, others (some streams of Hasidism, for example) do not, particularly for their daughters. There is the idea among these groups that women should not have too much education and should fulfill their roles as stay-at-home mothers who raise the children. OTOH, in some Orthodox families, women must work to support their husbands, who devote much of their time to studying the Torah.

I would also like to take exception to the notion that most Jews are successful. While this sounds complimentary, it is also a stereotype. In New York City, there is a sub-class called the Jewish poor. They are not discussed much because most of them keep to themselves and do not go on welfare, but they do exist. Further, many Jews–similar to those people of other ethnicities–work long hours in low-paying jobs and are hardly financially successful. Some just manage to stay afloat economically. Yes, Jews are noted for being entrepreneurs, physicians, lawyers, professors, accountants, involved in the arts, and so on; however, an equal or larger number are no doubt struggling, especially those with larger families.
Good stuff.

My opinion, and that is all it is, is that persecution has made the Jews tough, resilient, resourceful, focused, driven. These are characteristics that help anyone succeed in the rough-and-tumble of the marketplace.

Unfortunately for the poor, not everyone has these “qualities” in sufficient quantity, and this holds true regardless of one’s ethnicity.

Am I right?
 
Whether you like it or not, there will be non-Catholics and non-Christians in Heaven.
Well, yes and no.

There will be folks in heaven who were not Catholic or Christian in *this *life. However, on the other side, *everyone *will be both - though it won’t seem like a very big deal at that point. 😛
 
3 secular rules for success:


  1. *]Devotion to family life.
    *]Devotion to education for both self and family.
    *]Dedication to the free enterprise system.

  1. I believe that second one is probably the biggest reason. Education is empowering, and if we educated a lot of our rural Christians who believe the Genesis story is actually true, we could probably be thought of as ridiculously successful.
 
I believe that second one is probably the biggest reason. Education is empowering, and if we educated a lot of our rural Christians who believe the Genesis story is actually true, we could probably be thought of as ridiculously successful.
Those hillbillies probably believe in the real presence too /sarc.

But talk to the Ukrainians, Russians and Belarusians about university education. Most of the rocket scientists there drive taxis. Serbian society did a reversal of roles in the late 90’s. Farmers and tradesmen became the winners, and desk jockeys had no trade to market. Could happen here next.
 
Yes, and some people survive head-on collisions without seat belts too. :yup:
Are you comparing God’s choice to save someone with someone surviving a head on collision?

Sounds like you resent God’s choices, as if you are questioning, how dare God have the temerity to save someone who was not Catholic on earth.

Good luck with that attitude.
 
Those hillbillies probably believe in the real presence too /sarc.

But talk to the Ukrainians, Russians and Belarusians about university education. Most of the rocket scientists there drive taxis. Serbian society did a reversal of roles in the late 90’s. Farmers and tradesmen became the winners, and desk jockeys had no trade to market. Could happen here next.
Please don’t tell me you’re implying our hillbillies will become the top of our society without changing their ludicrous views.

Please don’t say that. That’s a scary thought right there.

It’s just… it’s just really difficult to take anyone who believes in Creationism seriously. It’d be terrifying to have them as the winners.
 
Please don’t tell me you’re implying our hillbillies will become the top of our society without changing their ludicrous views.

Please don’t say that. That’s a scary thought right there.

It’s just… it’s just really difficult to take anyone who believes in Creationism seriously. It’d be terrifying to have them as the winners.
thanks,RR .this post tells me all i need to know .
 
A few posts have discussed the relevancy of this topic to Hasidic Jews. I would point out that despite not having much of a secular education, there is certainly a number of people in that community whom we would consider mega-rich, and who own large companies. Stereotypically, in the diamond and nursing home business, but there are many ingenious businesses Hasidic Jews have come up with. Also, the giant electronics store B&H comes to mind (largest non-chain photo and video equipment store in the US). Google “electronics store manhattan” and it’s the fourth result.
 
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