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Ahimsa
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So now you’re asking, “Why do (some) liberals want to change the Church?” That’s a whole 'nother topic.
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sedonaman
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No, it isn’t. What they are constantly agitating for is change. That’s the definition of a liberal. We might note here that they now prefer to be called “progressives”, and how can you “progress” without change?So now you’re asking, “Why do (some) liberals want to change the Church?” That’s a whole 'nother topic.
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sedonaman
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So the brain has neurons?
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Ahimsa
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So says neuroscience.
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Ahimsa
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One can be liberal, without agitating for change within the Church.
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sedonaman
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How? These aren’t exactly conservative groups: ourladyswarriors.org/dissent/dissorg.htm
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Ahimsa
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Lots of liberal Catholics don’t join such organizations.
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PRmerger
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Reminds me of a quote by CS Lewis:
So, the sooner liberals turn back to the Church, they will be the most progressive.
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sedonaman
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So what do they do?
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sedonaman
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Reminds me of a quote by CS Lewis:
So, the sooner liberals turn back to the Church, they will be the most progressive.
P.S. They never told us what they want to progress toward.
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PRmerger
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What they want to progress toward is a god who conforms to *their *own image and likeness, rather than conforming their image and likeness to God’s.
P.S. They never told us what they want to progress toward.
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SalesianSDB
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I’d consider myself a moderate Catholic. Honestly, there are some things I struggle with. And I mean struggle. As a local priest once said, “It’s O.K. to doubt and question what the Church says as long as you are working towards understanding.” That’s where I would place myself sometimes.
Sure, I could leave the Church. Take the easy way out. But where else could I go? I believe in the Eucharist, in Mary, intersession of the saints, and the like. No one else would take me.
So I work it out.
For me, Rilke said it best, “Live the questions.”
Sure, I could leave the Church. Take the easy way out. But where else could I go? I believe in the Eucharist, in Mary, intersession of the saints, and the like. No one else would take me.
So I work it out.
For me, Rilke said it best, “Live the questions.”
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PRmerger
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Reminds me of a quote attributed by John Henry Cardinal Newman:
“Ten thousand difficulties do not make one doubt, for a man may be annoyed that he cannot work out a mathematical problem, without doubting that it admits an answer”.
Similarly, one can not understand a teaching of the CC, but have no doubt that what she states is true.
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Ahimsa
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They go to school, get a job, have kids, and live their lives.
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PRmerger
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And they dissent from the Church and profess that she needs to change to conform to their views.
The very idea of telling Jesus, “Well, I think you are wrong about . You really ought to re-consider, Lord.” As if!
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St_Francis
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It has been pretty thoroughly hashed out earlier in this thread that the OP referred to those who want to change the Church in ways which have already been made clear are impossible.
I find the National Catholic Reporter offers some good samples.
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sedonaman
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Being the good liberals that they are.
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Joe_5859
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Change is not inimical to the Church. Doctrine develops. Certainly, nothing new is added to the singular deposit of faith. But our understanding does change and grow.
Some people want the Church to move in a direction that She cannot move. They simply disagree that She cannot move in that direction.
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sedonaman
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Jesus commissioned his first apostles to “go into the world and preach the Gospel, teaching what I have taught you.” He did not tell them to “go into the world, find out what the current liberal ideas are and bring them back and incorporate them into my church.”
That would be practicing the Gospel in reverse.
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Joe_5859
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Certainly, but I doubt that is how “liberals” would articulate what they are doing/hoping for.
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