Why do liberals act like they can't live without contraception and abortions?

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AngryAtheist8 said:
Conservatives lost when slavery was abolished.
Conservatives lost when women got the vote.
Conservatives lost when lynching became unacceptable.
Conservatives lost when laws against interracial marriage were overturned.
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Never mind, if I’d seen this first I’d know not to bother. It’s not like there’s any danger of people taking you seriously.
 
AngryAtheist8 said:
So you’re pro-corporate welfare but against welfare for the poor…
Okay.
Its pretty clear what your priorities are:rolleyes:
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So you’re against improving the economy…
Okay.
Its pretty clear what your priorities are.
 
So, would you want contraception to be illegal? I can understand your beef with abortion, but not contraception.
 
AngryAtheist8 said:
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neophyte:
That’s like laying your hand down on a table and swinging an ax at it, and saying that you accidentally cut your fingers off. Or putting sperm and an egg together in a petri dish and saying you accidentally ended up with a zygote.

It’s not an accident. It’s of the substance of the act. The purpose of sex is babies and bonding. By definition, a pregnancy that results from sexual intercourse is not an accident.
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Not true when there’s force involved and/or the people having sex are under the influence.
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The fact that a faculty might be abused doesn’t change the purpose of that faculty.

But whether or no, that doesn’t change the fact that pregnancy is a natural result of sexual relations. A pregnancy that results from sexual relations is not an accident: it’s a natural result of the act, and no amount of rationalization will change that. Anyone who says otherwise is merely trying to fool themselves.
 
Regular_Atheist said:
So, would you want contraception to be illegal? I can understand your beef with abortion, but not contraception.
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Who said that they want to make contraception, in general, illegal?

As for pharmaceutical contraceptive or IUDs, the problem is that they act as abortifacients. It is abortion, which is an intrinsically evil act.
 
neophyte said:
The fact that a faculty might be abused doesn’t change the purpose of that faculty.

But whether or no, that doesn’t change the fact that pregnancy is a natural result of sexual relations. A pregnancy that results from sexual relations is not an accident: it’s a natural result of the act, and no amount of rationalization will change that. Anyone who says otherwise is merely trying to fool themselves.
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So, everything that is natural is good, and must therefore be allowed to go ahead and happen?

Sorry, guys, no treatment for cancer. God wanted you to die, so you better go ahead and do it. It’s a natural result and no amount of rationalization will change that. Anyone who says otherwise is merely trying to fool themselves.

Seriously, though, since when does something being natural make it good? If it doesn’t work for homosexuality, it isn’t going to work for abortion.

For the record, I’m not pro-choice, but this was a terrible, terrible argument.
 
AngryAtheist8 said:
Based on what?:rolleyes:
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Given the easy availability of contraceptives, the large number of abortions, including multiple abortions in a place like NYC suggests that abortion has become just the ultimate form of birth control, since infanticide is not allowed.

The trouble with the Planned Parenthood view of mankind, it takes more personal discipline to use birth control devises rationally than not to have sex. Neither option is popular in a world impatient of restraint. Heck, just look at the lack of food control. 🙂
 
LaMusicaSenior said:
No! Murdering your child is not love. Love is sacrifice - love is what Christ showed us on the cross - and killing your child is not sacrifical love of a mother. It is not noble for a mother to kill her child.** It is noble and honorabe and courageous for a mother to value the life of her child over her own**.
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That assumes she actually values her own life.
Its not particularly noble for someone to give up something that they don’t value and are not afraid to lose.

That’s one of the reasons I find many of the stories of the early Christians martyrs so uninspiring.
 
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What do you think would be a reasonable alternative then?
Are you actually saying women should be happy having less freedom than men?
RobbyS said:
Well, obviously I am saying that women should be free to be women.
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What does that mean in real terms?
 
Originally Posted by AngryAtheist8
Conservatives lost when slavery was abolished.
Conservatives lost when women got the vote.
Conservatives lost when lynching became unacceptable.
Conservatives lost when laws against interracial marriage were overturned.
exoflare said:
Never mind, if I’d seen this first I’d know not to bother. It’s not like there’s any danger of people taking you seriously.
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Do you have a point to make or are you merely interested in hurling unimaginative insults?
 
AngryAtheist8 said:
Originally Posted by AngryAtheist8
Conservatives lost when slavery was abolished.
Conservatives lost when women got the vote.
Conservatives lost when lynching became unacceptable.
Conservatives lost when laws against interracial marriage were overturned.

Do you have a point to make or are you merely interested in hurling unimaginative insults?
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I’d like to know what your going to do in your liberal utopia when all the conservatives are gone? Who are you going to be angry at?
 
livingwordunity said:
So you’re against improving the economy…
Okay.
Its pretty clear what your priorities are.
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*Do not *project your own desires onto others.
Not everyone is so concerned about corporate welfare to the exclusion of everything else.
 
pete_29 said:
So things are only good when liberals get their way, no matter how many people die. I understand where you’re coming from now. So much for any serious debate.:rolleyes:
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I agree.
Assuming that always resisting social, legal, and/or cultural change is good makes meaningful debate impossible.
 
AngryAtheist8 said:
I agree.
Assuming that always resisting social, legal, and/or cultural change is good makes meaningful debate impossible.
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I have found during the course of my life that change is rarely good. Be careful what you wish for.
 
pete_29 said:
I have found during the course of my life that change is rarely good. Be careful what you wish for.
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I can see what you are saying, but this isn’t a good attitude to have. I doubt that you are saying that the civil rights movement is a bad thing, but if everyone had this mentality then it probably never would have happened. “It has always been that way” is not an excuse for wrongdoings.
 
AngryAtheist8 said:
That assumes she actually values her own life.
Its not particularly noble for someone to give up something that they don’t value and are not afraid to lose.

That’s one of the reasons I find many of the stories of the early Christians martyrs so uninspiring.
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It is that they (such as the early Christian Martyrs) value their soul more than their earthly body.
 
interestedman said:
I can see what you are saying, but this isn’t a good attitude to have. I doubt that you are saying that the civil rights movement is a bad thing, but if everyone had this mentality then it probably never would have happened. “It has always been that way” is not an excuse for wrongdoings.
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The same can be said for “It ain’t broke, but we’re going to fix it anyway”.
 
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