Why do liberals act like they can't live without contraception and abortions?

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What do you think would be a reasonable alternative then?
Are you actually saying women should be happy having less freedom than men?

What does that mean in real terms?
It means that women should not be forced by public pressure to live by the Hugh Heffner philosophy, nor accept the practical atheism that asserts with little proof that the morality is merely a matter of convention. Besides, in the context of the world of the First Century, or any century, the description of Paul in Ephesians 5: 21-32 represents an elevation of the stature of the married woman even above that of a noble Roman woman. of Republican days.
 
The same can be said for “It ain’t broke, but we’re going to fix it anyway”.
The slavery system worked just fine. Well, not for the slaves, but for the slavemasters. It is really easy to apply the “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” mantra to slavery.
 
The slavery system worked just fine. Well, not for the slaves, but for the slavemasters. It is really easy to apply the “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” mantra to slavery.
Who is more a slave that the unborn child who’s very life depends on the whim of another. Like I said before, support killing babies. Be proud of yourself.
 
So, everything that is natural is good, and must therefore be allowed to go ahead and happen?

Sorry, guys, no treatment for cancer. God wanted you to die, so you better go ahead and do it. It’s a natural result and no amount of rationalization will change that. Anyone who says otherwise is merely trying to fool themselves.

Seriously, though, since when does something being natural make it good? If it doesn’t work for homosexuality, it isn’t going to work for abortion.

For the record, I’m not pro-choice, but this was a terrible, terrible argument.
It was so terrible that you studiously avoided even pretending to try to rebut it.

Uh huh…
 
You are confusing freedom with license. But what I don’t get is how people are surprised or devastated when pregnancy happens from sex. It’s like thinking that getting wet shouldn’t be a part of swimming. Whether by “casual sex” or even rape, the baby should not get the death penalty for a crime she did not commit. A society that doesn’t see that babies are a miracle of life given to us from God is a society without love.
Wow, great post. You went to the core of the issue: Love versus Anti-Love (selfishness)
 
So, everything that is natural is good, and must therefore be allowed to go ahead and happen?

Sorry, guys, no treatment for cancer. God wanted you to die, so you better go ahead and do it. It’s a natural result and no amount of rationalization will change that. Anyone who says otherwise is merely trying to fool themselves.

Seriously, though, since when does something being natural make it good? If it doesn’t work for homosexuality, it isn’t going to work for abortion.

For the record, I’m not pro-choice, but this was a terrible, terrible argument.
Actually, this is the argument i use when progay people try to say homosexuality is ok because its found in nature.

In the case of cancer, we try to rid ourselves of it by seeking therapy or surgery, we dont just indulge in it.

Why then do homosexuals not take steps to improve, but rather just accept their situation and then openly indulge in it?

There can be thigs in nature that are unnatural, because they go against our purpose in life or what we were meant to be.
 
Actually, this is the argument i use when progay people try to say homosexuality is ok because its found in nature.

In the case of cancer, we try to rid ourselves of it by seeking therapy or surgery, we dont just indulge in it.

Why then do homosexuals not take steps to improve, but rather just accept their situation and then openly indulge in it?

There can be thigs in nature that are unnatural, because they go against our purpose in life or what we were meant to be.
Who are you to tell someone their purpose in life or what they were meant to be? And if you say it is God who is saying it, then would you accept a muslim badgering you about making a trip to mecca and how you need to be Muslim because that is your purpose in life?
 
Who are you to tell someone their purpose in life or what they were meant to be? And if you say it is God who is saying it, then would you accept a muslim badgering you about making a trip to mecca and how you need to be Muslim because that is your purpose in life?
I know you didn’t ask me, but, here goes anyway. 😉

I would accept that that is their opinion, I would get irritated if they continually harped on at me personally, but do I have a problem with people of other beliefs telling me that they think I am not on the right path? Not at all. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. So long as they are telling me what they think in a charitable and respectful way I will have zero problem with them telling me that they think I am wrong in the way I live my life. I have no right to get upset at someone just because I don’t have the same moral code that they do. 🤷
 
Actually, this is the argument i use when progay people try to say homosexuality is ok because its found in nature.
People very rarely say that, but those who are anti-gay have created a straw man fallacy in which they claim that something being natural doesn’t make it morally acceptable. This is true. However, very rarely will those supporting equality for homosexuals claim that it being natural makes it morally acceptable. They’re often just responding to the argument that homosexuality is unnatural.
In the case of cancer, we try to rid ourselves of it by seeking therapy or surgery, we dont just indulge in it.
What, exactly, is there to “indulge” in when it comes to cancer? Cancer leads to death and suffering. Nothing good comes from it.
Why then do homosexuals not take steps to improve, but rather just accept their situation and then openly indulge in it?
See above.
There can be thigs in nature that are unnatural, because they go against our purpose in life or what we were meant to be.
Well, everything in nature is natural, obviously. But you are right in saying that not everything that is natural is morally acceptable. However, just because you believe something opposes your view of what the purpose of life is doesn’t make it so. That’s your opinion. It’s utterly worthless in this debate.
 
People very rarely say that, but those who are anti-gay have created a straw man fallacy in which they claim that something being natural doesn’t make it morally acceptable. This is true. However, very rarely will those supporting equality for homosexuals claim that it being natural makes it morally acceptable. They’re often just responding to the argument that homosexuality is unnatural.

What, exactly, is there to “indulge” in when it comes to cancer? Cancer leads to death and suffering. Nothing good comes from it.

See above.

Well, everything in nature is natural, obviously. But you are right in saying that not everything that is natural is morally acceptable. However, just because you believe something opposes your view of what the purpose of life is doesn’t make it so. That’s your opinion. It’s utterly worthless in this debate.
Actually its not just “my view” and not worthless in this discussion because everything in life is ordered for survival, wouldnt you agree? Cancer is not ordered for survival and neither is homosexual sex.
 
Who are you to tell someone their purpose in life or what they were meant to be? And if you say it is God who is saying it, then would you accept a muslim badgering you about making a trip to mecca and how you need to be Muslim because that is your purpose in life?
Its just the law of life, called survival. I think everyone agrees that every living organism’s purpose is to survive. It is instinct.

You seem to be against this though. So while some people see cancer as a disease and contradictory to living a healthy life, you say that cancer is in the eye of the beholder? That cancer (even though causes death) is good for or is compatible with survival?
 
Why not what? We have a very, very broken adoption system. There are plenty of kids who need homes, plenty of families that want to give them homes, but because of the bureaucracy it takes years and tens of thousands of dollars, sometimes more, to adopt. Sadly, many times it is just cheaper and faster to adopt internationally.
No, we don’t. We don’t have enough babies to adopt, because over 50 MILLION of them have been aborted since 1973. That is why people have gone to other countries to try and adopt babies. Not because of the bureaucracy - the lack of babies means many couples are just left with no options.

The older kids who end up in foster care are unfortunate, but many couples really want a BABY to raise as their own, not a troubled child who has been removed from his/her home. Some people are equipped to adopt these kids and they should be given kudos, but in no way can you pretend that these kids constitute “plenty of kids who need homes.”
 
The eugenicist Margaret Sanger started what would become Planned Parenthood. It’s a lot easier to understand the continuing push for worldwide access to abortion and birth control if you watch the history of Planned Parenthood.

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The movie is in parts, each about 10 minutes in length. There may be a Youtube of the entire movie, but I didn’t look for it. Sometimes one needs a few minutes to walk away from the movie and think about it or recover from the information given.
 
Like subsidies for Oil companies perhaps:rolleyes:
If you add up the money our government spends on subsidies…of any description or to anyone and then add up what this government spends in entitlements, you will see that the subsidies would be a drop in the bucket by comparison even if both giveaways have some small numbers of merit. All this ping pong about spending is going to be over soon my friend because it is totally unsustainable and the crushing debt will change our lifestyles and those of our children and grand children for a lot longer than I have to live. Why seemingly normal people…Catholic…non Catholic Christians and atheists can’t get this is a mystery to me. People who might not run up their personal credit to hopeless amounts…somehow think that the “government” can do it with impunity…because they are trying to “help” us taxpayers…the very people who are going to be ruined by all this…again…a mystery. Just like the Ponzi schemes which are repeated over and over…there will be a rude awakening. 🤷
 
Its just the law of life, called survival. I think everyone agrees that every living organism’s purpose is to survive. It is instinct.

You seem to be against this though. So while some people see cancer as a disease and contradictory to living a healthy life, you say that cancer is in the eye of the beholder? That cancer (even though causes death) is good for or is compatible with survival?
So everything you do is based on your will to survive? How does talking on this forum fall into that category? What about watching TV?
 
So everything you do is based on your will to survive? How does talking on this forum fall into that category? What about watching TV?
Watchig tv or being on this forum does not threaten my survival 🙂 Cancer does though.
 
Watchig tv or being on this forum does not threaten my survival 🙂 Cancer does though.
Homosexuality, technically speaking, doesn’t threaten your survival either. You could say that promiscuous homosexuality does, but so does promiscuous heterosexuality. And if being a homosexual and not having kids threatens survival, so does becoming a priest or nun.
 
Homosexuality, technically speaking, doesn’t threaten your survival either. You could say that promiscuous homosexuality does, but so does promiscuous heterosexuality. And if being a homosexual and not having kids threatens survival, so does becoming a priest or nun.
Homosexuality is sterile and if you believe in evolution, can threaten the survival of an entire species if everyone adopted that lifestyle.

Homosexuality goes against what organisms are meant to do, and that is spread their dna to ensure the survival of their bloodlines.

Living organisms were ordered for procreation. To say that this is “just my opinion” is as frivolous as denying the claim that everyone needs food to live. “But who are you to say…!” Lol.
 
Homosexuality is sterile and if you believe in evolution, can threaten the survival of an entire species if everyone adopted that lifestyle.

Homosexuality goes against what organisms are meant to do, and that is spread their dna to ensure the survival of their bloodlines.

Living organisms were ordered for procreation. To say that this is “just my opinion” is as frivolous as denying the claim that everyone needs food to live. “But who are you to say…!” Lol.
Abstinence is sterile as well. If everyone became a priest it would threaten the survival of an entire species as well. But we don’t have to worry about that because there is no danger of everyone turning gay and not having kids. It is such a ridiculous argument. The Catholic view of people with SSA is they should be celibate which is just as sterile as homosexuality, so even if people were following church teaching they would STILL be sterile.
 
Abstinence is sterile as well. If everyone became a priest it would threaten the survival of an entire species as well. But we don’t have to worry about that because there is no danger of everyone turning gay and not having kids. It is such a ridiculous argument. The Catholic view of people with SSA is they should be celibate which is just as sterile as homosexuality, so even if people were following church teaching they would STILL be sterile.
Youre confusing the arguments now. Our sub-discussion was just on Nature and what is Natural, and how things in nature can be unnatural in the sense that they go against what organisms are ordered for.

Becoming a priest and remaining celibate for life is indeed Unnatural. In a way, it is Supernatural because God is the one who called that person to that way of living.

Same for homosexuals.

The morality is yet another argument.
 
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