Why do liberals like Islam when Islamic Sharia law condemns homosexuals to death?

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AzzurriFan and others,

I think the fear is less about the specific application of Shari’a law in cases where both parties want it than the occurrence of cases like this one where a judge of the US courts appeals to Islamic morality or behavioral norms to deny a US citizen the right to redress upon being assaulted for blatantly religious reasons, as often happens to non-Muslims in the Islamic world. When those kinds of things happen, it shocks people who had previously assumed that the USA or the West as a whole is not in fact a part of the Islamic world, but operates by its own standards that should be able to be depended upon, rather than trampled for the sake of appeasing or incorporating the demands of certain Muslims who feel like they can treat non-Muslims in America as second class citizens according to Islamic values.
 
"There are countries where hyping race and ethnicity has led to slaughters in the streets, but you cannot name a country where it has led to greater harmony.” – Thomas Sowell
 
dzheremi said:
AzzurriFan and others,

I think the fear is less about the specific application of Shari’a law in cases where both parties want it than the occurrence of cases like this one where a judge of the US courts appeals to Islamic morality or behavioral norms to deny a US citizen the right to redress upon being assaulted for blatantly religious reasons, as often happens to non-Muslims in the Islamic world. When those kinds of things happen, it shocks people who had previously assumed that the USA or the West as a whole is not in fact a part of the Islamic world, but operates by its own standards that should be able to be depended upon, rather than trampled for the sake of appeasing or incorporating the demands of certain Muslims who feel like they can treat non-Muslims in America as second class citizens according to Islamic values.
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Yes, there are web sites called sharia watch and it documents a number of cases and keeps track of where Muslim plaintiffs want judges to use Sharia law and get themselves off the hook for a number of crimes such as sexual assault, wife beating, child beating, honor killing that are ok under sharia law. It is more than using it in divorce cases. Also, in Dearborn Mi, at a pro Islam rally, a small group of Christians went peacefully to hand out liturature which under our constitution they have a right to do. They were peaceful. Muslims at the rally got angry, called the police and had them arrested. They wanted them charged with the crime using Sharia law and pressureed the Dearborn police to keep them in jail. Fortunately, the group had video taped this which demostrated that they were peaceful and it was the Muslims there that became violent. that is what got them off the hook. There are a number of States which are trying to consider banning the use of Sharia law in our courts systems. This is a real and growing problem and shouldn’t be ignored.
 
There are only two classes of people in the world. Those who belong to God as a brother or sister of Christ and those who don’t.

There is unity those who are “In Christ”.

Those who aren’t believers will united against those who are.
 
dzheremi said:
AzzurriFan and others,

I think the fear is less about the specific application of Shari’a law in cases where both parties want it …
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I don’t know if this has been addressed, but what about two parties who are not Muslims who see they can get a better deal for both by appealing to Shari’a law?
 
I don’t know. I’ve never heard of that happening. Sometimes Christians will appeal to Islamic judges, e.g., in Egypt, to obtain things allowed under Islamic law but not Christian/church law (divorce and/or remarriage, which are not allowed in the Coptic Orthodox Church except under one or two specific circumstances), which creates lots of problems. I don’t know about that one…do you have any examples? I’m not sure, but it seems like it’s at least technically possible, however rare it might be.
 
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How many times was this conservative icon married again?
sedonaman said:
Sounds like an ad hominem. What does it have to do with his observation of liberals?
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I’m saying that he was a hypocrite, who didn’t practice what he preached.
Either because he was too weak to, or because he never really believed in it in the first place.
 
Again, why all this liberal v. conservative stuff? What does how many times Reagan was married have to do with Shari’a? Was Reagan a “secret Muslim”…y’know, like Obama? 😃
 
bbbeatt said:
There are only two classes of people in the world. Those who belong to God as a brother or sister of Christ and those who don’t.

There is unity those who are “In Christ”.

Those who aren’t believers will united against those who are.
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LOL:D

That is a counterproductive and inaccurate statement on so many levels I don’t quite know where to begin.
 
AngryAtheist8 said:
Why did you bother linking to a right-wing propaganda site?🤷
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Why is there “Right-wing propaganda” but “Left-wing enlightenment”? Why do you even care what I post? If you don’t like it, take some of your fellow atheists’ advice they give us about porno and not read it. :mad:
 
dzheremi said:
AzzurriFan and others,

I think the fear is less about the specific application of Shari’a law in cases where both parties want it than the occurrence of cases like this one where a judge of the US courts appeals to Islamic morality or behavioral norms to deny a US citizen the right to redress upon being assaulted for blatantly religious reasons, as often happens to non-Muslims in the Islamic world. When those kinds of things happen, it shocks people who had previously assumed that the USA or the West as a whole is not in fact a part of the Islamic world, but operates by its own standards that should be able to be depended upon, rather than trampled for the sake of appeasing or incorporating the demands of certain Muslims who feel like they can treat non-Muslims in America as second class citizens according to Islamic values.
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dzheremi, robwar, everyone,

That’s a horrible case out of Pennsylvania. Certainly, Pearce was protected by the 1st Amendment to walk on a public sidewalk, in costume minding his own business. And yes, I can understand that a non-Muslim reading this would feel like a second-class citizen. But, I’m just not convinced that this sort of thing (judges using Islam or Islamic custom in disregard of U.S. law) is a widespread occurrence.

This case seems like a judge who’s totally embraced a multiculturalist worldview to the detriment of his legal training. As the article alluded to, the ‘cultural defense’ isn’t a new thing and hasn’t only been used when the accused (or alleged victim) is Muslim. It also isn’t an actual defense. If a judge is particularly sympathetic to the cultural/religious reason that the perpetrator gives for committing the crime, and lessens the sentence accordingly, it’s said the ‘cultural defense’ was used. There’s a case People v. Moua out of CA, (1985?) in which a man kidnapped and raped his girlfriend. After the testimony of a Hmong culture expert, the man was fined $1000 and sentenced to 90 days in the county jail. My point is that the problem may not be so much sympathy for Islam among judges in the U.S., but being overly sympathetic to multiculturalism to the point where justice is no longer blind. That certainly is a problem, but it’s broader than the issue of Islam/Islamic cultural norms.

If lawyers want to fill their court briefs with appeals to the defendant’s religion or culture, so be it. That’s what lawyers do, throw the kitchen sink. But if the ‘culture defense’ is the main argument in the court filings, the lawyer’s desperate, in my opinion.

AzzurriFan
 
dzheremi said:
Again, why all this liberal v. conservative stuff? What does how many times Reagan was married have to do with Shari’a? Was Reagan a “secret Muslim”…y’know, like Obama? 😃
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LOL!! 😃 👍

AzzurriFan
 
AngryAtheist8 said:
LOL:D

That is a counterproductive and inaccurate statement on so many levels I don’t quite know where to begin.
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You can start with the first statement: “there are two kinds of people,” which is obviously true because [1] there are those who believe there are two kinds of people, and [2] those who don’t. 😃
 
AngryAtheist8 said:
Originally Posted by AngryAtheist8
…I’m saying that he was a hypocrite, who didn’t practice what he preached. …
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It’s a fallacy. Assuming he didn’t practice what he preached, that doesn’t mean he didn’t believe in what he preached. Otherwise we would also have to label Al Gore a hypocrite for saying in Campaign 2000, “I’m for you against the rich and powerful.” At the time, he was one of the richest, most powerful men in America. Is he against himself?

If you are so concerned about hypocrisy, why don’t you address the liberal non-charitable contributions? You might start with “Kerry’s Charity Gap” boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/1996/05/16/kerrys_charity_gap?pg=full . Note: the Boston Globe is not known to be a “Right-wing propaganda” newspaper since it is owned by the New York Times, about as far-Left a publication as you can find. Wasn’t Kerry also caught cheating on his yacht taxes? Taxes for thee but not for me hypocrisy?
 
AzzurriFan said:
dzheremi, robwar, everyone,

That’s a horrible case out of Pennsylvania. …

This case seems like a judge who’s totally embraced a multiculturalist worldview to the detriment of his legal training. As the article alluded to, the ‘cultural defense’ isn’t a new thing and hasn’t only been used when the accused (or alleged victim) is Muslim. It also isn’t an actual defense. If a judge is particularly sympathetic to the cultural/religious reason that the perpetrator gives for committing the crime, and lessens the sentence accordingly, it’s said the ‘cultural defense’ was used. … My point is that the problem may not be so much sympathy for Islam among judges in the U.S., but being overly sympathetic to multiculturalism to the point where justice is no longer blind. That certainly is a problem, but it’s broader than the issue of Islam/Islamic cultural norms.
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So, does this judge believe that the city of Skokie, IL can stop the Nazis from marching through its Jewish neighborhoods? kansaspress.ku.edu/strwhe.html
 
AngryAtheist8 said:
Originally Posted by AngryAtheist8
How many times was this conservative icon married again?

I’m saying that he was a hypocrite, who didn’t practice what he preached.
Either because he was too weak to, or because he never really believed in it in the first place.
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Reagan was divorced only once and that was because his first wife left him. he didn’t want the divorce. He married Nancy and from all accounts and even in the White House, they had a true love affair. This has nothing to do with Sharia Law and the discussion at hand.
 
sedonaman said:
**Why is there “Right-wing propaganda” but “Left-wing enlightenment”? **Why do you even care what I post? If you don’t like it, take some of your fellow atheists’ advice they give us about porno and not read it. :mad:
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Are you offended that the other side uses PR tactics too?
 
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