Why do lutherans call themselves evangelical catholics?

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The_young_fogey said:
“Us” = I’m a Catholic. Confessional Lutherans don’t like the Catholic Church. I don’t think they buy a branch theory either; they think we’re in grave error.
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We may not like some of your theology, but Catholics on the whole are swell. Word and sacrament, remember? And the recent string of popes have been remarkable. Lutherans are particularly fond of the German Shepherd, Pope Benedict XVI.
Historically Lutherans and Anglicans have often been close, interchangeable in practice, but the Lutherans have suspected the Anglicans of being too Protestant (Reformed)
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Heck, some Lutherans are too protestant (Reformed :eek:). That said, some Anglicans are too protestant/Reformed. Some are not. Motley, those Anglicans. 😃

The LCMS currently has a dialogue going with the ACNA. Here’s praying they don’t go down the female ordination road.

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JonNC said:
Perhaps, but when I use our proper name, Evangelical Catholic, some seem offended by it.
What’s a Catholic of the Augsburg Confession to do? :juggle:

Jon
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Is that the Tiber I see right beyond the trees there? 😉
JonNC said:
The LCMS currently has a dialogue going with the ACNA. Here’s praying they don’t go down the female ordination road.

Jon
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Amen! from your fingertips to the ears of God, Jon.:highprayer:
 
guanophore said:
If this is true, then why are you not all called “Anglican” or all called “Lutheran” or “evangelical catholics”?
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For the same reason Byzantine Catholics in communion with Rome aren’t called ‘Latins.’
 
JonNC said:
Hi guan,
I see your parallel, so in the interests of ecumenism, seeking out Rome’s approval, as opposed to say “petition”, of our orders may be a good thing, seeking an end to the current asymmetrical situation, since we already recognize yours.
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I’m going out on a limb somewhat, but it seems to be already an “unofficial policy”(?) of the PNCC that they follow Rome with respect to recognition of orders. A little off topic, of course, since the PNCC isn’t Lutheran.
 
Peter_J said:
I’m going out on a limb somewhat, but it seems to be already an “unofficial policy”(?) of the PNCC that they follow Rome with respect to recognition of orders. A little off topic, of course, since the PNCC isn’t Lutheran.
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:hmmm:

😃 Jon
 
KjetilK said:
For the same reason Byzantine Catholics in communion with Rome aren’t called ‘Latins.’
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That makes sense to an extent, but are the leaderships in communion with one another, as all the bishops are in communion with the successor of Peter?
 
guanophore said:
That makes sense to an extent, but are the leaderships in communion with one another, as all the bishops are in communion with the successor of Peter?
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Do you mean like an invisible communion? I would say No, the ELCA and ECUSA are in a “full visible communion” with each other (not sure the exact words they use to describe it).
 
Peter_J said:
Do you mean like an invisible communion? I would say No, the ELCA and ECUSA are in a “full visible communion” with each other (not sure the exact words they use to describe it).
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No, something more like a college of bishops - where all the bishops equally shepherd all of those who are in communion with them. Where decisions are made communally.
 
guanophore said:
No, something more like a college of bishops -
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Alright, but then wouldn’t we (we Catholics) say that only the Catholic bishops are “in communion with the successor of Peter”?

(Of course, at this point a Lutheran bishop will probably chime in with “Right, a Catholic bishop like me.” :p)
 
guanophore said:
That makes sense to an extent, but are the leaderships in communion with one another, as all the bishops are in communion with the successor of Peter?
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Yes, they are in communion, but each particular Church is still autocephalous.
 
7_Sorrows said:
I have noticed some posters at CAF who put Evangelical Catholic as their religion but then in parentheses they clarify themselves as lutheran. So why not just identify as a lutheran? Why do you call yourself an evangelical catholic?
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Because everyone wants to claim the name Catholic, but they want to do it on their own terms.

(Borrowing from St. Augustine)…we all know that when a stranger comes to town and asks for the nearest Catholic church, no one points him to a Lutheran church.
 
PRmerger said:
Because everyone wants to claim the name Catholic, but they want to do it on their own terms.

(Borrowing from St. Augustine)…we all know that when a stranger comes to town and asks for the nearest Catholic church, no one points him to a Lutheran church.
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Exactly.
 
PRmerger said:
Because everyone wants to claim the name Catholic, but they want to do it on their own terms.

(Borrowing from St. Augustine)…we all know that when a stranger comes to town and asks for the nearest Catholic church, no one points him to a Lutheran church.
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I’m going to approach random people and ask them where the closest universal Church is and see what they say.
 
Peter_J said:
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Alright, but then wouldn't we (we Catholics) say that only the Catholic bishops are "in communion with the successor of Peter"?
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Yes, exactly. If the Lutherans and the Anglicans are in communion with each other has he says, then why do their bishops not work together like all the Catholic Bishops work together with the successor of Peter?

For example, the EO patriarchs are all in unity with each other (though they are not in unity with the successor of Peter).
Peter_J said:
(Of course, at this point a Lutheran bishop will probably chime in with “Right, a Catholic bishop like me.” :p)
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Both of these communions have their leaderships, but are they working in unity together? If not, how can they say that they are “in full communion” with each other?
 
PRmerger said:
Because everyone wants to claim the name Catholic, but they want to do it on their own terms.

(Borrowing from St. Augustine)…we all know that when a stranger comes to town and asks for the nearest Catholic church, no one points him to a Lutheran church.
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Well…since there was no such entity at the time of Augustine, that would not be an issue…

But I have heard that there are some Anglican Masses that are so “catholic” that Catholics can’t tell. I have not been to a Lutheran service in so long I can’t remember what it was like. I understand it is liturgical, though, and I would not expect them to pray for the successor of Peter during the service.

This is one of the reasons I think the successor of Peter is considered the visible sign of unity.
 
dronald said:
I’m going to approach random people and ask them where the closest universal Church is and see what they say.
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I realize your remark is probably tongue-in-cheek, but if you ask them this, they may think you’re referring to a Unitarian Universalist church!
 
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