Why do many take "don't judge" to mean that we should start judging "conservative" orthodox Catholics?

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Or why do some think it means we should judge a homosexual man for changing his ways and marrying a woman (recently in the news)? Why does “tolerance” only flow in one direction (to the left)?
 
It has to do with intolerant tolerance, or “Exclusive inclusivity”.

Those who are not in lock step with “tolerance” are treated as being bigoted and intolerant.
 
It’s a good question, and highlights some of the absurdities involved in taking a tolerant approach. Tolerance is a nice concept, but when tolerance alone is your modus operandi, you would have to accept everything, even intolerance because to not do so would essentially entail being intolerant of intolerance. So then you have to decide how to define “intolerance”, but then you’ve thrown “be tolerant of everyone” out the window.
 
livingwordunity said:
Or why do some think it means we should judge a homosexual man for changing his ways and marrying a woman (recently in the news)? Why does “tolerance” only flow in one direction (to the left)?
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It is because the left is intolerant. Look at the leftists on college campuses and how they shout down anyone not in lockstep with their views.

Underneath every left-wing liberal is a fascist waiting to come out.

Ishii
 
Political labels have no business in the Catholic community. They are divisive. And useless. Each one of us knows if we are a Catholic in good standing or not.

Peace,
Ed
 
edwest2 said:
Political labels have no business in the Catholic community. They are divisive. And useless. Each one of us knows if we are a Catholic in good standing or not.

Peace,
Ed
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An orthodox Catholic is often labeled as “conservative”. And the heterodox Catholics (those for female ordination, abortion, so-called same-sex “marriage”, etc.) just about always identify themselves with the left. I don’t like today’s political labeling either, but it is what it is.
 
When A wrongs B, should civil society show tolerance towards B’s wronging of B?

I mean, discriminating, insulting (“You’re going to hell”, “You’re sick”, “Your lifestyle is an abomination”, etc) and otherwise denying liberties to a group of people, sort of ruins their day, to put it mildly. These are vexations, limitations and vilification on said group of people.

Should society be tolerant of these people or on those who scorn them? Also, you are comparing the word war against conservatives (which conservatives also participate in opposite direction but with no less force) with actual kicking out, ostracizing, using the law to segregate, motivating the murder of, and driving to suicide of countless gay people? Seriously?

If you feel out of sync with the times and criticized, understand that whatever you’re going to is a tiny fraction of the suffering of gay people in the past and present.

It’s a public debate. In it, both sides are heard, and both sides criticize, instead of being a monologue of vexation against the other side, as things used to be for thousands of years. So get used to it. We’re not going back, unless public liberties, such as freedom of speech, go back to what they were in 1600, 1200 or even 5 B.C.E.
 
LogosSokratikos said:
If you feel out of sync with the times and criticized, understand that whatever you’re going to is a tiny fraction of the suffering of gay people in the past and present.
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Except that it’s come to light that often the anti-gay persecutions are hoaxes that are perpetrated by the alleged victims themselves. Here’s the most recent example:
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Family Says No Tip For Server Being Gay Was A Hoax**
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Waitress in anti-gay receipt flap reportedly issuing refunds to donors**

Lesbian waitress fired amid anti-gay receipt hoax accusations

I’m not saying that it doesn’t happen, but if it is so frequent why would some need to fake getting persecuted? By contrast, Christians have never had to fake any of our persecutions.
 
livingwordunity said:
Except that it’s come to light that often the anti-gay persecutions are hoaxes that are perpetrated by the alleged victims themselves. I’m not saying that it doesn’t happen, but if it is so frequent why would some need to fake getting persecuted? By contrast, Christians have never had to fake any of our persecutions.
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Good thing that in addition to what we may hear or believe would be nice, we have empirical methods, such as police reports and statistical compilations: scholar.google.com/scholar?q=statistics+discrimination+against+homosexual&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ei=ca-4Uu7QJ8iFkQfh34HYBA&ved=0CCoQgQMwAA

Yes, what I wrote of, happens. If you have any doubt on the veracity of any other point I have addressed, please let me know, so I can guide you to the relevant research on the matter(s).

P.S. I will be leaving shortly (I’m already behind schedule!) to my old folks’ home for the holidays, where I will (predictably not certainly) have less access to the web, so I might not respond quickly.
 
LogosSokratikos said:
It’s a public debate. In it, both sides are heard, and both sides criticize, instead of being a monologue of vexation against the other side, as things used to be for thousands of years. So get used to it. We’re not going back, unless public liberties, such as freedom of speech, go back to what they were in 1600, 1200 or even 5 B.C.E.
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"When an opponent declares, “I will not come over to your side,” I calmly say, “Your child belongs to us already… What are you? You will pass on. Your descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know nothing else but this new community.”
Adolf Hitler, 1933

SMH

Catholics (and all of Christendom) lost the propaganda war that began in the 1970s, and now we are seeing the fruits of our opponent’s labor.
My wife and I were thinking about become ex-patriots depending upon the 2016 election. Maybe Argentina or Brazil? I’m beginning to think Cardinal George’s famous prediction will come true.
 
StLouisCatholic said:
"When an opponent declares, “I will not come over to your side,” I calmly say, “Your child belongs to us already… What are you? You will pass on. Your descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know nothing else but this new community.”
Adolf Hitler, 1933

SMH

Catholics (and all of Christendom) lost the propaganda war that began in the 1970s, and now we are seeing the fruits of our opponent’s labor.
My wife and I were thinking about become ex-patriots depending upon the 2016 election. Maybe Argentina or Brazil? I’m beginning to think Cardinal George’s famous prediction will come true.
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Very interesting. I like history.By the way, care to explain the relevance to the quoted words of mine? Also, I would like some evidential backing of what you might say, you know, to save some time in asking for it.
 
edwest2 said:
Political labels have no business in the Catholic community. They are divisive. And useless. Each one of us knows if we are a Catholic in good standing or not.
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👍👍 Spot on. Let’s not politicise our Faith.
 
LogosSokratikos said:
Very interesting. I like history.By the way, care to explain the relevance to the quoted words of mine? Also, I would like some evidential backing of what you might say, you know, to save some time in asking for it.
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It was your implied definition of what constitutes as human liberty.
 
livingwordunity said:
Or why do some think it means we should judge a homosexual man for changing his ways and marrying a woman (recently in the news)? Why does “tolerance” only flow in one direction (to the left)?
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There is a quote from Garrigou Lagrange about tolerance that is fitting. I think it goes something like, “The Church is tolerant in practice because she is intolerant in principle. Unbelievers are intolerant in practice because they are tolerant in principle.”

I don’t think that’s exactly how it goes but that’s the gist of it.
 
livingwordunity said:
An orthodox Catholic is often labeled as “conservative”. And the heterodox Catholics (those for female ordination, abortion, so-called same-sex “marriage”, etc.) just about always identify themselves with the left. I don’t like today’s political labeling either, but it is what it is.
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With all due respect, no one goes around with a large label on their clothing that reads:

Conservative Catholic
Liberal Catholic
Cafeteria Catholic.

You CANNOT tell just by looking at people going to Church who is what. It’s fictional.

Peace,
Ed
 
edwest2 said:
Political labels have no business in the Catholic community. They are divisive. And useless. Each one of us knows if we are a Catholic in good standing or not.

Peace,
Ed
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Normally I agree, but conservative is used in quotation marks and it seems fitting as most people (at least where I live) would consider orthodox Catholics “conservative” regardless of whatever their views are on issues which Catholics can legitimately disagree upon.
 
CrossofChrist said:
Normally I agree, but conservative is used in quotation marks and it seems fitting as most people (at least where I live) would consider orthodox Catholics “conservative” regardless of whatever their views are on issues which Catholics can legitimately disagree upon.
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The left even tries to label orthodox Catholics as “fundamentalists”, sometimes taking that one step further to compare us to Islamic “fundamentalist” terrorists.
 
Isiah talks of the final times where right is considered wrong and vice versa. What we are seeing now is a manifestation of that. There are other signs as well.

Such as now the UN is starting to push poorer countries to legalize child sacrifice and homosexual rights. At some point this will lead to IMF loans, thus fulfilling the prophecy of Revelation.

A good example is the the country where I live, the Dominican Republic, that recently approved “therapeutic child sacrifice” because of outside pressure from socialist atheists, specifically ProFamila out of Germany. This same ideology of socialist atheism is responsible for almost a billion deaths in the last 100 years, all in the name of “progress”. Worse it is difficult to get anyone on the left to acknowledge this fact.

Furthermore, Obama appointed a homosexual activists who “married” his partner the day before he arrived here in the DR in a very public ceremony and when he arrived he said he was not going to promote homosexuality, when in fact he had already done that.

For me the tyeing of IMF loans to legalizing child sacrifice and the abomination of state sponsored homosexuality will be the last straw for God, after all the Gospel has been preached practically everywhere.
 
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