This is just false. The act is not altered. Charting does not alter the act at all. The very nature of the act is unchaged. If you took a pill, or received an injection, or used a barrier that would alter the act itself.
If you place subjective conscience over the moral law then yes that is your point.
That is your teaching not Christ’s.
Again that is your own erroneous conclusion.
Relativism is the issue as we can see here.
The cycle already regulates conception. Is God’s design flawed?
No that is not their intent. That is how nature works.
No that is untrue. The unaltered act is always unitive and procreative. The action is ordered toward procreation regardless of the chance of conception.
Then quit looking in the past and start reading the Catechism of the Catholic Church. All your unanswered questions are there and your foolish doubts will be answered.
Thanks for that! Much appreciated! I do actually have friends who wish to use NFP/Billings which I’ve heard of. I’ll send them the link!
What exactly are you searching for? To me it looks like your mind is set in your ways. If you are truly searching for answers, you’ve definitely had them multiple times. If you’re only looking to stir the pot, this is not the place to do it. Go into your kitchen to do that.
God wants quality, not quantity. You’re pushing your opinion and that’s not being Christian/Catholic. If you continue to be uncharitable towards the Church like this, I will report you to the Forums.I have no idea of your point here. The marital embrace cannot result in conception every single time. That is how God ordered it. Engaging in the act while not ovulating is not only unitive is still ordered correctly. That is toward procreation.
That is absurd. They do not intend to destroy anything.
You mean you refuse to accept reality.No such thing
This makes no sense. The action is not ordered to conceive each and every time the act is done. It is ordered toward procreation not that conception must happen every time.
Read Humanae Vitae, read the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Do your own research if you don’t believe what we are TELLING you the Church teaches. Read from the sources that will actually lead you in the right direction.No such thing
The action is ordered towards sexual intercourse without procreation coming out of it. And since procreation was considered the only excuse for intercourse, NFP was considered unnatural.
You need to read up on how a Bishop is elected Pope. If you read the Catechism of the Catholic Church, you will understand the Church’s stance on contraception. You will also understand that sex without procreation is not a mortal sin… in MARRIAGE, as long as you are not using contraception. (Contra=against and ception=conception) You should also read Humanae Vitae. Also Theology of the Body is a great resource for understanding why the pill/contraception is wrong and is an intrinsic evil.
No, what you probably saw was what is called a “Doubtful Peak”. It also happens if you get stressed around ovulation. If you were temping, you would only see one shift at the second “ovulation”. (That is why temping is a good idea if you can, even if you use Billings.) If your cycles are wonky, this may help.Thanks for that! Much appreciated! I do actually have friends who wish to use NFP/Billings which I’ve heard of. I’ll send them the link!
As for double ovulation, I’ve seen it first hand occur within a month spaced out approx 7 days apart. This is what happens when a woman’s period is all over the place.
God bless and thanks for pointing out facts and not just your opinion or interpretation!
When engaging in sexual intercourse in the normal way, without physical or chemical barriers to conception, said intercourse is ordered toward procreation. This is true whether either or both are infertile or sterile. Neither fertility, nor sterility alter the procreative nature of non-contracepted sexual intercourse.
Because it is true.
Not sure you know what procreate means…
Why do you presume that I don’t know the definition?
Please note the highlight modifiers of “procreation”.
I had my share of talking with priests and theologians.
I sincerely doubt that my interpretation suffers as you suggest.Look… this is a discussion on internet forum. If it makes you uneasy, rest assured that I don’t want you to feel that way. Some people say open mind is a problem, the other claim the opposite. I simply want to sit down, find the truth, and live according to it.
Ok, so what am I to prove? That Augustine claimed sex in marriage is of sinful nature? If you wish that, no problem. But I assume people already know my point.As for what’s highlighted in red. Where do you get your facts? You’ve provided NOTHING but your own opinion on what Augustine or Chrysostom said, not what the Church teaches. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!!!
Augustine claimed no such thing. This is what you are getting out of it, but it is misconstrued. If you call yourself open minded, then why are you so closed minded as to what you think Augustine meant by what he said?I simply wish to discuss this issue with my fellow Catholics. No pots involved, altough I understand that topic can rise the emotion.
I had my share of talking with priests and theologians.
Look… this is a discussion on internet forum. If it makes you uneasy, rest assured that I don’t want you to feel that way. Some people say open mind is a problem, the other claim the opposite. I simply want to sit down, find the truth, and live according to it.
Ok, so what am I to prove? That Augustine claimed sex in marriage is of sinful nature? If you wish that, no problem. But I assume people already know my point.