Why do Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet?

[Reuben_J]

Hashi:
I would be delighted to try and answer your questions. So in terms of roots, Islam is not something from judaism or christianity but rather Islam has always from beginning of mankind been present, but that because of the people deviating from the correct creed, succesions of Prophets and Messengers were sent to correct the people and their beliefs. We believe Muhammed was the seal of all the prophets, such that no new Prophet would come after him. Jesus however will come back towards the end of time to kill the Anti-Christ and we believe then all christians will accept Islam.

Speaking of Jesus, since this is a christian forum, it is important i relate what we believe about jesus. Muslims do not believe Jesus claimed himself to be Son of God. Rather we believe Jesus will renounce this claim on the Day of Judgement infront of God, as the Quran says:

For more on Jesus and Mary, refer to the Quran chapters 3 “The Family of Imran”, chapter 5 “The Table Spread with Food”, and chapter 19 “Mary”.

Hi Hashi,

Being not very knowledgeable about Islam, some of the things you mention here make me want to laugh. I’m not making fun but they sound so outlandish, perhaps because I see them from the perspective of the Bible. I agree with Hawk mentioning something like Quran trying to get the authority from the Bible but its understanding doesn’t compute.

I hope you don’t mind to respond to my post here earlier on.

1. For arriving at a conclusion that Jesus is merely a prophet despite the belief of Christians who were earlier than Muhammad, he must be pretty sure it was the truth with unequivocal evidence. But there is not actually much about Jesus in the Quran, is there?
2. How you get the number 125000 prophets? This is the one that tickles me so . 125000? It is big number you know.

Excerpt from my earlier post, “… .Until Muslims know what Jesus said, did, and claimed to be, then for them to claim that they honour Jesus is at best misleading. Maybe Muslims should rediscover their lost Jesus — to investigate for themselves what he did, said, and taught.”

I concur with this assessment. The information Muslims have about Jesus from the Quran at best is minimal, and sadly on that basis concludes that Jesus is merely prophet.

The Quran cannot possibly match the Bible for information about Jesus, where some of his life and teaching are being written down. And yet it differs.

I hope you’ll take it easy on this one, and I don’t mean to make fun.

Peace.

Reuben

p/s I seem to have problem using the quote box. It doesn’t work sometimes.

 

[YinYangMom]

By the way, this is what Jesus said:

John 5:19-24
*19Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, (P)the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner. *

*20"(Q)For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all things that He Himself is doing; and the Father will show Him (R)greater works than these, so that you will marvel. *

*21"For just as the Father raises the dead and (S)gives them life, even so (T)the Son also gives life to whom He wishes. *

*22"For not even the Father judges anyone, but ((“John 5 NASB - The Healing at Bethesda - After these - Bible Gateway”))He has given all judgment to the Son, *

23so that all will* honor** the Son even as they honor the Father. (V)He who does not** honor** the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. *

24"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and (W)believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and (X)does not come into judgment, but has (Y)passed out of death into life.

As you can see, he doesn’t seek worship for himself or for his mother and he gives all honor and credit to the Father. How do you reconcile that which you are told about Jesus from the Quran with that of what actually happened?

 

[Semper_Fi_1]

YinYangMom:

By the way, this is what Jesus said:

John 5:19-24
19Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, (P)the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner.

20"(Q)For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all things that He Himself is doing; and the Father will show Him (R)greater works than these, so that you will marvel.

21"For just as the Father raises the dead and (S)gives them life, even so (T)the Son also gives life to whom He wishes.

22"For not even the Father judges anyone, but ((“John 5 NASB - The Healing at Bethesda - After these - Bible Gateway”))He has given all judgment to the Son,

23so that all will* honor*** the Son even as they honor the Father. (V)He who does not** honor** the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

24"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and (W)believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and (X)does not come into judgment, but has (Y)passed out of death into life.

As you can see, he doesn’t seek worship for himself or for his mother and he gives all honor and credit to the Father. How do you reconcile that which you are told about Jesus from the Quran with that of what actually happened?

Hi,

I already answered the question about Catholics ‘worshiping Mary’. The simple answer is, we don’t. We venerate the Blessed Virgin Mary because she truly is the Mother of God. As the Mother of God and as a woman who is responsible for the salvation of the human race, it is rightfully so that we honor her as our Blessed Mother. When St. Gabriel the Archangel appeared to Mary and she said ‘do what is according to your will’, those very simple and humble words made it possible for all humans who accepted her Son, Our Lord, to be saved. It is true that Jesus wants us to worship His Father, because He is God. Jesus is also God. This is where most people get confused. The concept has been around since before Islam, and is called the Trinity. As Christians, we believe that Jesus Christ is the begotten Son of God and the savior of mankind. Jesus says he is the only mediator between God (the Father) and man. The OT prophecies of Isaiah state that Immanuel (God with us, i.e. Jesus) would be the Incarnate word of God. The NT states that Jesus Christ is the Creator of the Universe, and as such He is rightly called God. If you have questions about the Trinity, then please visit the catholic.com website and read some of our tracts before claiming that Christians worship Jesus’ mother. We honor her, because through her simple and humble words, we were all given the chance of salvation if we accept her Son, Jesus.

Also, the simple answer is, we don’t have to ‘reconcile’ anything about the Qur’an because our Scriptures have been around since 33-100AD. Several centuries before the Qur’an was ‘reveiled’ to Mohammed.

1. more thing, you already answered your own question btw

YinYangMom:

so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

How do we honor the Father? We honor Him as the eternal Creator of the Universe. So, if we deny those of His son, are we not also denying the Father according to that verse you quoted?

 

[hawk]

YinYangMom:

As you can see, he doesn’t seek worship for himself or for his mother and he gives all honor and credit to the Father. How do you reconcile that which you are told about Jesus from the Quran with that of what actually happened?

Yinyangmom,

This is something that most cradle catholics do not understand.
Let me explain.
Jesus when He was alive was a living breathing humanbeing.

He very clearly tells the apostles that He the reason He speaks in parables, is because it is the Holy Spirit that will reveal all, and bear witness for His True nature.

Jesus as a man, never ever said, I am God worship me.

But he left clues in the things He said, that only demonstrated that He and His father are one.

The reason for this is because Jesus came to demonstrate the Love God has for us.
God can easily come and command us, Oh I am Jesus, God incarnate, worship me, or die.
But that is not Gods way, Gods way is to show love, the message of the Bible is Love.
God subjects Himself to our debased natures, and demonstrates that Love is the only way, the only Truth, the only Light

Luke 1:79
“to shine on those living in darkness
and in the shadow of death,
to guide our feet into the path of peace.”

 

[Semper_Fi_1]

hawk:

Yinyangmom,

This is something that most cradle catholics do not understand.
Let me explain.
Jesus when He was alive was a living breathing humanbeing.

He very clearly tells the apostles that He the reason He speaks in parables, is because it is the Holy Spirit that will reveal all, and bear witness for His True nature.

Jesus as a man, never ever said, I am God worship me.

But he left clues in the things He said, that only demonstrated that He and His father are one.

The reason for this is because Jesus came to demonstrate the Love God has for us.
God can easily come and command us, Oh I am Jesus, God incarnate, worship me, or die.
But that is not Gods way, Gods way is to show love, the message of the Bible is Love.
God subjects Himself to our debased natures, and demonstrates that Love is the only way, the only Truth, the only Light

Luke 1:79
“to shine on those living in darkness
and in the shadow of death,
to guide our feet into the path of peace.”

Actually, that’s not entirely true either. He called Himself the ‘I AM’, which is the ancient name for the God of Israel. He said he and His father were one. He accepted worship from angels and from Thomas, and did not tell them to stop. If he was not God, then He definitely was not the Messiah because he allowed His apostles to break the commandments and that is something a true Messiah would never do.

Here:

John 8:58-59

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

John 10:30

I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

John 20:28-29

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

 

[YinYangMom]

Hey, both Semper Fi and Hawk are confused here…
I posted that quote for Hashi Al-Eritre…he quoted the Qu’ran as Jesus having said we were to worship him and his mother and I was showing that Jesus never called on us to worship him, let alone his mother. I fully understand the distinction between honoring Mary and worshiping her. I think you misunderstood my post.

He tells us to honor Him as we honor His Father. Honor and worship are not the same.

And SemperFi, blessing Thomas for believing after seeing is not the same thing as Jesus allowing Thomas to worship Him. Thomas wasn’t worshiping Jesus at the time, he was praising him, yes, delighted to know the Truth first hand, but that isn’t worship.

My point earlier was that Jesus often gave credit to His Father for all He accomplished on earth, and He revealed the Truth about the two being One in the same, as you pointed out with the passage about referring to himself as “I AM”. He didn’t just leave clues about His divinity…He pretty much spelled it out quite clearly to the apostles, while revealing it to the masses thru parables. He didn’t beat around the bush about that stuff, especially whie He was walking around the earth after the resurrection.

 

[SpiritualBeing]

That the Lord was the Prophet is evident from the following passages:
Jesus said, A prophet is not without honor, save in his own country, and in his own house (Matt. 13:57; Mark 6:4; Luke 4:24).

The reason Jesus said a prophet is without honor, save in his own house was because when He was in His home town, where He spend His childhood years, the people there couldn’t bring themselves too see how this Man could have so much knowledge. They knew his parents, Joseph and Mary. They consider Him a devil, and so He did not do any miracles there because of that.

Jesus said, It cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem (Luke 13:33).

They said of Jesus, This is that prophet of Nazareth (Matt. 21:11; John 7:40).

Fear took hold on all; and they praised God, saying that a great prophet is risen up among us (Luke 7:16).

That a prophet should be raised up out of the midst of their brethren, whose words they shall obey (Deut. 18:15-19).

A true prophet is someone who teaches in the name of God. A false prophet is someone who teach in the name of satan.

William