Why do Muslims believe this?

[TracyR]

I am not wanting to start any type of war whatsoever but am geniunally curioius to the answer to my question.

I was on Youtube and was looking up something else when I came upon a video of a two year old reciting answers of her faith ( Islam).
Now of course I was honestly curious to the answers of the questions being asked because I know very little about Islam but from a few things I’ve read so far.

The thing that struck me as a bit unsettling was when she was asked the question :
Who is struck by Allah’s wrath? and her answer was the jews.
Then the second question was: Who is the misguided?
and she answered Christians.

Is this is what is taught in the Muslim faith?
The second question I could say that we all believe that we are misguided in some fashion that’s why many feel their faith is the better one. So that one wasn’t to hurtful.
But what was hurtful and very dangerous to believe is that God is vengeful and hateful and that he was strike anyone down, including the jews.

So is that the belief of those who practice Islam? Do you really think God is vengeful and hateful? That He would want harm on any of His people? After all God, Allah, made everyone. He made us in his own image. Why would he want to be vengeful on something He created in his own image? Why would God want to hurt anyone?

I guess help me understand that. I can see though why others can misconstrue this and therefore groups like the Taliban and such were started. Out of misunderstanding of that statement alone could be extremely damaging to a faith.

Here is the link to the video I watched:
youtube.com/watch?v=gGFjkfKoECc

 

[jwakja]

Muslims? How do you figure? Christ the Redeemer came to earth, performed miracles, died for our sins and rose from the dead. I fail to figure out what part of this is difficult to understand for billions of people? Did we miss something about another person that did these similar things? Someday we will all find out. Wonder what UBL found out?

 

[RainbowNight]

As far as I know ( I might be wrong ), what you mentioned is a part of the end of sura al fatiha -the opening- for most muslims, Jews are those who are struck by allah’s wrath because they made God ‘angry’, and Christians are those ‘misguided’ because they believe in the divinity of Jesus. Yes you are right, supposing a god exists I think he would be far intelligent to stuck in our human vegence.

 

[Rock_Happy]

I am not wanting to start any type of war whatsoever but am geniunally curioius to the answer to my question.

I was on Youtube and was looking up something else when I came upon a video of a two year old reciting answers of her faith ( Islam).
Now of course I was honestly curious to the answers of the questions being asked because I know very little about Islam but from a few things I’ve read so far.

The thing that struck me as a bit unsettling was when she was asked the question :
Who is struck by Allah’s wrath? and her answer was the jews.
Then the second question was: Who is the misguided?
and she answered Christians.

Is this is what is taught in the Muslim faith?
The second question I could say that we all believe that we are misguided in some fashion that’s why many feel their faith is the better one. So that one wasn’t to hurtful.
But what was hurtful and very dangerous to believe is that God is vengeful and hateful and that he was strike anyone down, including the jews.

So is that the belief of those who practice Islam? Do you really think God is vengeful and hateful? That He would want harm on any of His people? After all God, Allah, made everyone. He made us in his own image. Why would he want to be vengeful on something He created in his own image? Why would God want to hurt anyone?

I guess help me understand that. I can see though why others can misconstrue this and therefore groups like the Taliban and such were started. Out of misunderstanding of that statement alone could be extremely damaging to a faith.

Here is the link to the video I watched:
youtube.com/watch?v=gGFjkfKoECc

It’s unlikely that any Muslim would be welcome here, or interested in posting here.

 

[Siochan_Leat]

It’s unlikely that any Muslim would be welcome here, or interested in posting here.

There are a couple, I believe. Probably more.

To answer the OP, if you google a bit and check for verses in the Qu’ran, the answers are there.

 

[jakasaki]

It’s unlikely that any Muslim would be welcome here, or interested in posting here.

Whoa there…!!!

We DO have muslim members on this board - it’s open to all peoples and all faiths…

 

[TracyR]

Whoa there…!!!

We DO have muslim members on this board - it’s open to all peoples and all faiths…

I agree. There are several Muslim members on here. That is why I asked. They are always welcome and that’s what I like about this website is that its open to all.

I could google it but I don’t understand it and would rather have someone who practices Islam to answer my question so I can understand.
I could still read it and come out not understanding. After all I saw that little bit on You Tube and that I did not understand.

As for the Jews, they are God’s chosen people. So why would God want to avenge and strike His chosen people? I haven’t ever seen anything in the Bible that stated God hated the Jews, or has ever wanted to strike them or avenge them.
God is not vengful and God is not hateful. He only knows love and nothing more. I had heard that Islam was a peaceful faith, but that doesn’t sound like peaceful teaching to me.

 

[jakasaki]

I agree. There are several Muslim members on here. That is why I asked. They are always welcome and that’s what I like about this website is that its open to all.

I could google it but I don’t understand it and would rather have someone who practices Islam to answer my question so I can understand.
I could still read it and come out not understanding. After all I saw that little bit on You Tube and that I did not understand.

As for the Jews, they are God’s chosen people. So why would God want to avenge and strike His chosen people? I haven’t ever seen anything in the Bible that stated God hated the Jews, or has ever wanted to strike them or avenge them.
God is not vengful and God is not hateful. He only knows love and nothing more. I had heard that Islam was a peaceful faith, but that doesn’t sound like peaceful teaching to me.

My dear - I know this video very well - this 2 year old has been taught this stuff & it’s all rehearsed.

This is what they do teach their kids from early on…

There is a thread in the Apologists from titled"

Do Jews & muslims worship the same God…

Perhaps you want to pop in there and review the thread…

And there is another thread within this sub-forum titled:

Why do muslims try to find mohamad in the Bible…

Review these 2 threads - you will learn about islam and what they think about Jews & Christianis… Plus review all of the other threads on here regarding islam…

Best regards & welcome to CAF ~
TGIF

Pam

 

[thegame_786]

My dear - I know this video very well - this 2 year old has been taught this stuff & it’s all rehearsed.

This is what they do teach their kids from early on…

There is a thread in the Apologists from titled"

Do Jews & muslims worship the same God…

Perhaps you want to pop in there and review the thread…

And there is another thread within this sub-forum titled:

Why do muslims try to find mohamad in the Bible…

Review these 2 threads - you will learn about islam and what they think about Jews & Christianis… Plus review all of the other threads on here regarding islam…

Best regards & welcome to CAF ~
TGIF

I don’t see the problem here. Muslims believe that Jews were at one point the chosen people of God. They were blessed like no other people before them and were giving many things including having many great prophets from their people. But they did not obey God and started worshipping a calf therefore they earned Gods wrath.
Christians are misguided ACCORDING to musllims. I don’t think I don’t think I need to elaborate on this. I don’t see why certain people think it is then strange why we pray for God not to show us wrath or for us to stay on the true path.
Come on people. You don’t have to believe in Islam but at least accept that muslims do. Stop getting confused. I don’t ask why do catholics believe in certain things which I find a bit strange. I just accept that you do believe that. I hope this clears this up

 

[Rock_Happy]

A Muslim friend sent me an email from the ME to wish me a Happy Easter. I must admit my cultural ignorance during Muslim religious holidays in not knowing what greeting is appropriate, at times. I do know enough to open a correspondence with ASAK.

 

[jakasaki]

jakasaki;7843488:

My dear - I know this video very well - this 2 year old has been taught this stuff & it’s all rehearsed.

This is what they do teach their kids from early on…

There is a thread in the Apologists from titled"

Do Jews & muslims worship the same God…

Perhaps you want to pop in there and review the thread…

And there is another thread within this sub-forum titled:

Why do muslims try to find mohamad in the Bible…

Review these 2 threads - you will learn about islam and what they think about Jews & Christianis… Plus review all of the other threads on here regarding islam…

Best regards & welcome to CAF ~
TGIF

I don’t see the problem here. Muslims believe that Jews were at one point the chosen people of God. They were blessed like no other people before them and were giving many things including having many great prophets from their people. But they did not obey God and started worshipping a calf therefore they earned Gods wrath.
Christians are misguided ACCORDING to musllims. I don’t think I don’t think I need to elaborate on this. I don’t see why certain people think it is then strange why we pray for God not to show us wrath or for us to stay on the true path.
Come on people. You don’t have to believe in Islam but at least accept that muslims do. Stop getting confused. I don’t ask why do catholics believe in certain things which I find a bit strange. I just accept that you do believe that. I hope this clears this up

Thank you for your contribution to the post - however - your post has cleared **nothing **up…!!!

Christians are misguided ACCORDING to musllims.

Care to explain the above quote box… with details please…!

I don’t think I don’t think I need to elaborate on this. I don’t see why certain people think it is then strange why we pray for God not to show us wrath or for us to stay on the true path

Please explain…

Stop getting confused.

Please explain how we are confussed…???

I don’t ask why do catholics believe in certain things which I find a bit strange. I just accept that you do believe that

What is it that YOU find strange in Catholicism …???

What do you believe what Catholics believe…???

 

[TracyR]

If I didn’t ask and assumed what you believed then I think I would be with millions of other people in the US who believe Muslims are evil. Now wouldn’t I?
I would think it would be appreciated that someone ask before they assumed what it was you believed. After 911 people used to just accept what it was Muslims believed. Now we don’t assume anything anymore.
I think by asking , you would appreciate that I wouldn’t allow that type of ignorance to incorporate my mind.

I find it odd that you don’t wonder what it is Catholics believe. Especially since you are on a Catholic forum to boot. So I don’t think you are being very honest with yourself by saying you don’t wonder what Christians believe.

I want to know why Muslims believe Christian’s are misguided.
Also please show me where the Jews angered God. I don’t know of any time the Jews angered God. Especially enough that he would want to hurt his chosen people. To this day Jews believe in one God and one God alone. About a month ago I went to a Jewish Saber so I could understand more about the Jewish faith. I went with a few of our other parishioners from our church and it was very informative and I learned more then I did know. It didn’t make me want to change my faith, but it did help me understand the Jewish faith which is part of my Christian roots.

Also I think it should be elaborated as to why God would put wrath on anyone.
God is a God of love. He is not capable of smitting or putting wrath on anyone. We all chose the paths we want to follow. He is here for us and follows us whenever we need Him. The only thing that can cause wrath is humanity itself. It is our world that changes and people can cause hate and wrath. But never God. Why should one fear God to follow Him? I know everyday I like to change and change myself for the better. But I don’t do it in fear of God. I do it because I want to be a better person and live a life that is pleasing to the Lord. Never in fear of Him.

Anyone who knows, believes and loves their faith will defend it by giving our proper knowledge of their faith. Not tidbits like " I don’t want to know about your faith so don’t bother trying to understand mine." Or why one wouldn’t want to elaborate as to why they think God is hateful and vengeful. Sounds like what we need is someone on here that actually knows and understands their faith to please explain.

 

[Sam_777]

The thing that struck me as a bit unsettling was when she was asked the question :
Who is struck by Allah’s wrath? and her answer was the jews.
Then the second question was: Who is the misguided?
and she answered Christians.

Is this is what is taught in the Muslim faith?

Unfortunately yes…

So is that the belief of those who practice Islam? Do you really think God is vengeful and hateful? That He would want harm on any of His people? After all God, Allah, made everyone. He made us in his own image. Why would he want to be vengeful on something He created in his own image? Why would God want to hurt anyone?

Islam teaches that GOD’s wrath will be on those whom do not follow Islam, because the people from the previous religions have corrupted GOD’s words thus deserving the punishment.

 

[hamba2han]

I pointed out in another thread a few things that Jews and Christians have done that have made the Lord displeased with them but since nobody cared to dispute my post, then perhaps me re-posting these points might serve as an answer and explanation to the questions being posed on this thread about how Muslims view the Jewish and Christian faith and how to treat Jews and Christians according to the teachings of Islam:

The Qur’an in some respects grants privileges to the People of the Book compared to unbelievers. For example, to marry someone from the People of the Book and eat their food is lawful. (Al-Maidah, 5) The privilege granted to them is because of their being closer to the true faith compared to the people of disbelief.

“Say: O People of the Book! Come to an agreement between us and you: that we shall worship none but Allah, and that we shall ascribe no partners unto Him, and that none of us shall take others for lords beside Allah.” … (Al-i ‘Imran Surah, 3:64)

However, the Qur’an declares that the People of the Book have taken their own rabbis and monks as their lords – “They have taken as lords beside Allah their rabbis and their monks and the Messiah son of Mary, when they were bidden to worship only One God. There is no God save Him. Be He glorified from all that they ascribe as partner (unto Him)!” … (At-Tawbe Surah, 9:31)

When Adiy Bin Hatem, who converted to Islam from Christianity, said to the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), “The Messenger of Allah! We did not take them as our Lord”, the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) made this explanation: “They made those unlawful which Allah declared lawful and lawful which Allah declared unlawful, and you obeyed them. That is taking them as lords.” One need not necessarily call something “lord” in order to have it as his lord.

To elaborate, an example of how Jews have made their rabbis as their lords concerns the matter of usury.

“For the iniquity of the Jews We made unlawful for them certain (foods) good and wholesome which had been lawful for them;- in that they hindered many from Allah’s Way;- That they took usury, though they were forbidden; and that they devoured men’s substance wrongfully;- we have prepared for those among them who reject faith a grievous punishment.” … [Al-Qur’an, Sûrah al-Nisâ’:160 & 161]

The Jews are following and obeying their rabbis who have made the taking of usury from Gentiles lawful and so they have made their rabbis as their lords despite the fact that Allah has absolutely and strictly prohibited the taking of usury from any source.

Taking usury is an extremely grave sin in Islam and so this brazen act of declaring that the taking of usury from Gentiles is lawful for Jews is just one small example of how the Jews have earned the wrath of the Lord.

As to the question of how Christians have made their monks and priests as their lords, are they not faithfully following and obeying their church leaders who have made unlawful food such as the flesh of swine and blood to be lawful and conversely have outlawed things like polygamy which had been allowed at the time of Jesus Christ (pbuh)?

Nevertheless, the Qur’an instructs Muslims on how to treat the People of the Book – “And argue not with the People of the Book unless it be in (a way) that is better, save with such of them as do wrong; and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us and revealed unto you; our God and your God is One, and unto Him we surrender.” … (Al-‘Ankaboot Surah, 29:46)

 

[Sam_777]

However, the Qur’an declares that the People of the Book have taken their own rabbis and monks as their lords –

I think their is a difference between worshipping them and worshipping through them.

All Christian denominations do not worship any rabbis or monks, even there are some denominations whom do not even worship through them.

 

[schaick]

…
As to the question of how Christians have made their monks and priests as their lords, are they not faithfully following and obeying their church leaders who have made unlawful food such as the flesh of swine and blood to be lawful and conversely have outlawed things like polygamy which had been allowed at the time of Jesus Christ (pbuh)?
…

Incorrect. Notice the relationship in a marriage is to be one man and one woman:

Matthew 19
3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”

4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”

8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

10 The disciples said to him, “If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.”

11 Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”

**Also **
Mark 7
14 Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. 15 Nothing outside a person can defile them by going into them. Rather, it is what comes out of a person that defiles them.”

17 After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable. 18 “Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? 19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)

20 He went on: “What comes out of a person is what defiles them. 21 For it is from within, out of a person’s heart, that evil thoughts come—sexual immorality, theft, murder, 22 adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23 All these evils come from inside and defile a person.”

Muslim should read the Gospel on their own and not listen to imam preaching untruths. Also read it in your native tongue- that is the beauty of the Holy Bible, God’s message to us- it can be read and understood in any language.

arabic:
biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew&version=ALAB

 

[kingal86]

But what was hurtful and very dangerous to believe is that God is vengeful and hateful and that he was strike anyone down, including the jews.

So is that the belief of those who practice Islam? Do you really think God is vengeful and hateful? That He would want harm on any of His people? … Why would God want to hurt anyone?

To be fair, God is also portrayed as vengeful (or even genocidal) in parts of the Old Testament, particularly the Torah, Joshua and Judges.

 

[Amir_the_Masihi]

Like RainbowNight said, anti-Judeo-Christian sentiments are expressed even in the very first chapter of the Qur’an, the seventh verse:

“…those whose (portion) is not wrath, and who go not astray.”

The two parties alluded to in the aforementioned verse, I have heard, are seen as to be the Jews and Christians, respectively.

This chapter and verse is recited several times during the five prayers a day, every single day, by millions of Muslims. Indeed, this is the only chapter which a Muslim is obligated to recite.