WHY do Muslims perform such Shames ?

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hosemonkey said:
I know, just having a bit of fun. The bomb in the kaa’ba is not a bad idea though.
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How is this anything other than vocal support for terrorism?
No, it wasn’t. There’s no sense of irony here because your whole complaint is debunked by the very fact that when I and others cite Islamic experts that believe the call to terror, or referring to the age of Aisha are real, you don’t touch this at all, except to whine about how people just don’t understand.
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I can cite Christian “leaders” today who support racism and warfare too.

Your citations of snippets of text from 1000 years ago are no better than the classic “bring my enemies” line from the bible. You’re taking a piece of a huge body of work and making claims without anything approaching substantial knowledge.
 
Hey, that was merely a statement of fact. Nothing religious about it.

Muslims have been hounding the black stone at the ka’aba all these centuries to worship the stone, bowing, kissing etc etc. If the stone is gone, islam would be totally obsolete because they would not be able to fulfil the 5 pillars required of muslims.
 
pumpqeen said:
Hey, that was merely a statement of fact. Nothing religious about it.

Muslims have been hounding the black stone at the ka’aba all these centuries to worship the stone, bowing, kissing etc etc. If the stone is gone, islam would be totally obsolete because they would not be able to fulfil the 5 pillars required of muslims.
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In other words, you support terrorism to try and destroy Islam?

Is that what you’re saying?

I’m reporting this.
 
pro_universal said:
I can cite Christian “leaders” today who support racism and warfare too.
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There’s a need for you to show causality.

You’ve already misquoted one verse. Show the leaders who are using that verse to urge people to kill, and you’d be on your way to making an argument.

But alas you’re not willing to do that with Isalmic texts cited.

One can show the Koran and Hadith urging people to kill. One can show Muhammed doing this. One can show generations of Moslem leaders doing so. And one can see Moslems actually carrying this out. It’s a stream of evidence you simply wish to ignore.
 
Montalban said:
Not all were; there were Chechins and others

I already stated this

As an Orthodox, I’m aware of this. What’s your point?
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You already stated it? Do you mean “Anti-Semetism’s an integral part of Islam” ?
What’s my point? Well, in case the above is your point, I showed you that they weren’t the only ones, hence my question: “what’s your point?”
Pax.
 
pumpqeen said:
Hey, that was merely a statement of fact. Nothing religious about it.

Muslims have been hounding the black stone at the ka’aba all these centuries to worship the stone, bowing, kissing etc etc. If the stone is gone, islam would be totally obsolete because they would not be able to fulfil the 5 pillars required of muslims.
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That’s not true - Islam wouldn’t be destroyed any more than Jews were when the Temple of Jerusalem and the nation of Israel were both destroyed. Even though both Temple sacrifices and worship and the connection of the nation to the land of Israel were such an integral part of their faith.

No more than Catholics were when they saying Mass in the catacombs in Rome or priest-holes in England when they were forbidden public worship in those places.

Religions adapt and survive in cases of dire necessity, rather than simply dying out. And in fact hajj is only a requirement for those who can afford it. People who can’t are still good Muslims. Islam would survive the destruction of the Ka’aba
 
pumpqeen said:
Hey, that was merely a statement of fact. Nothing religious about it.

Muslims have been hounding the black stone at the ka’aba all these centuries to worship the stone, bowing, kissing etc etc. If the stone is gone, islam would be totally obsolete because they would not be able to fulfil the 5 pillars required of muslims.
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That doesn’t make sense. which of the 5 pillars could not be fullfilled if the dome was gone?
 
Valke2 said:
That doesn’t make sense. which of the 5 pillars could not be fullfilled if the dome was gone?
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Pumpqeen must have been referring to the Hajj (pilgrimage to Mecca, a required element of which is a visit specifically to the Ka’aba). My understanding is that this is indeed one of the five pillars, but is only required if one is able to do it.

Someone who is too poor to travel and do the Hajj, for example, is nonetheless a good Muslim in spite of their inability to go. Similarly, I should think, if they couldn’t do Hajj because the Ka’aba (or indeed the city of Mecca) was destroyed, it wouldn’t matter.
 
pumpqeen said:
Hey, that was merely a statement of fact. Nothing religious about it.

Muslims have been hounding the black stone at the ka’aba all these centuries to worship the stone, bowing, kissing etc etc. If the stone is gone, islam would be totally obsolete because they would not be able to fulfil the 5 pillars required of muslims.
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This is a religous board.

Destroying the ka’aba, or Mecca, is just as immoral and evil as destroying the Vatican or Jerusalem. I question your motives for even being on this board.
 
LilyM said:
Pumpqeen must have been referring to the Hajj (pilgrimage to Mecca, a required element of which is a visit specifically to the Ka’aba). My understanding is that this is indeed one of the five pillars, but is only required if one is able to do it.

Someone who is too poor to travel and do the Hajj, for example, is nonetheless a good Muslim in spite of their inability to go. Similarly, I should think, if they couldn’t do Hajj because the Ka’aba (or indeed the city of Mecca) was destroyed, it wouldn’t matter.
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The Pilgimage to Mecca could be done even if a holy site is destroyed though, couldn’t it?
 
There are several distinct rituals in the Hajj - such as the counter-clockwise seven times circumambulation around the Ka’ba, the stoning of the devil, and the visit to Muhammad’s mosque.

It would be impossible to complete the Tawaf without touching and kissing the black stone or facing it and pointing to it.
 
pumpqeen said:
… Just like the fungus you see in your backyard, you cannot never totally be rid of them. Islam is no different.

What can be done however is to expose them to the truth. Only absolute truth and freedom will kill Islam. The media and secular knowledge must be brought to the middle east…
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Hi again pumpqeen,

Islam has been around for 1400 years. They have been exposed to the “truth”, countless of times. They have alot of experience and practice in dealing with people who want to expose the “truth” to them.

The best thing to do is to live your life in a way that will attract muslims. Remember, as Christians, we are called to “love our enemy” (Mt 5:44) and “conquer evil with good” (Ro 12:21). Likening their religion to fungus is an awful start.

Like St Francis of Assisi said, “Preach the gospel always, and if necessary, use words.”

Unfortunately, “The media and secular knowledge” and Islam have a common friend; Political Correctness. It’s just too hard to use the media to expose the “truth” to Islam. It is likely to backfire.
pumpqeen said:
One of the major problems of muslims is they are UNABLE to differentiate between instructions and story telling/parable in the bible…
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That’s not exactly true. Whatever the Bible contains is completely irrelevant to muslims because they believe the Bible has been corrupted over the years.
 
pro_universal said:
In other words, you support terrorism to try and destroy Islam?

Is that what you’re saying?

I’m reporting this.
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No, I support any Christian freedom fighter’s effort to prevent the destruction of his religion. Moslem terrorists are dedicated to the destruction of Christianity and the West. Christian freedom fighters have the same right to destroy the false religion Islam, by whatever means. Run and report that.
 
Valke2 said:
The Pilgimage to Mecca could be done even if a holy site is destroyed though, couldn’t it?
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And as I said, the Hajj is not even a requirement for a Muslim if there are circumstances that prevent him or her from going, such as (as I said) if you can’t afford to get there.
 
I don’t believe the Haj can be done if the black stone is destroyed as kissing the stone is the highlight of the Haj. It would cause two things IMO: violent Muslims would go on all out jihad against the West, and more intelligent Muslims would wonder why Allah did not send his ababil birds once again to protect the Kaa’ba.

There will be plenty of gnashing of teeth.
 
hosemonkey said:
No, I support any Christian freedom fighter’s effort to prevent the destruction of his religion. Moslem terrorists are dedicated to the destruction of Christianity and the West. Christian freedom fighters have the same right to destroy the false religion Islam, by whatever means. Run and report that.
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You sound exactly like Osama Bin Laden. Seriously. That’s exactly the argument he uses.

I would like for you to answer a question:

How many Muslim women and children would be an acceptable number of dead “in defense of Christianity”?
 
Rodrigo_Bivar said:
I don’t believe the Haj can be done if the black stone is destroyed as kissing the stone is the highlight of the Haj. It would cause two things IMO: violent Muslims would go on all out jihad against the West, and more intelligent Muslims would wonder why Allah did not send his ababil birds once again to protect the Kaa’ba.

There will be plenty of gnashing of teeth.
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The degree to which some people are living in a fantasy world is frightening.

Destroying Mecca means the end of oil economies. It means that 1000 years from now, some other civilization will be sifting through our ruins, trying to find ways to figure out what happened to us, just like we wonder what happened to the Mayans and other invisible ancient cultures.

This is literally one of the few acts of war short of an all out nuclear launch that would foster the end of the world.
 
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