why do muslims try o find mohammed in the bible.

[hamba2han]

We’re talking about the Bible, not the Quran. I know what the Quran’s position on Muhammad is, but I know that that is not the position of the Bible. I enjoy having intelligent conversations with Muslims, but you are just trying to proselytize (and you’re doing a pretty bad job of it).

If it is intelligent discourse that you desire, then perhaps the website that I was referring to might interest you.

I think the facts in the various articles there are intelligently researched and as far as the question of whether or not Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned in the Bible is concerned, I honestly cannot add anything useful to the arguments being presented there.

And while I myself am absolutely convinced that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is indeed the Last Prophet who is mentioned in both the New and Old Testaments, if however anyone disagrees, then it is really not an issue with me.

 

[ClamDigger]

If it is intelligent discourse that you desire, then perhaps the website that I was referring to might interest you.

I’ve looked at it and I’m still not seeing anything substantial in it. Nowhere in the Bible does it say anything substantial that might allude to Muhammad like, “And thou, Mecca, art a little one among the thousands of the Arabian Peninsula: out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be the ruler in the Arabian Peninsula: and his going forth is from the beginning, from the days of eternity.” I see nothing to indicate that any of the “prophecies” they say indicate Muhammad indicate Muhammad to the exclusion of anyone else.

I think the facts in the various articles there are intelligently researched and as far as the question of whether or not Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned in the Bible is concerned, I honestly cannot add anything useful to the arguments being presented there.

And while I myself am absolutely convinced that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is indeed the Last Prophet who is mentioned in both the New and Old Testaments, if however anyone disagrees, then it is really not an issue with me.

Then why don’t you add the Old and New Testaments of the Bible to your Quran if you believe they prophesy your prophet? We have the Old Testament in our Bible because we believe it prophesies Our Lord, so why don’t you do the same?

 

[hamba2han]

Actually, it not just the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) who Muslims believe is prophesied in the Bible for there is another group of people who Muslims hold dear to our hearts and who are indeed also prophesied in both the Old and New Testaments.

I started a thread some time ago explaining how these immensely significant and illustrious group of people greatly helped reinforce the belief that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is indeed the true Messenger of God.

 

[ClamDigger]

Actually, it not just the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) who Muslims believe is prophesied in the Bible for there is another group of people who Muslims hold dear to our hearts and who are indeed also prophesied in both the Old and New Testaments.

I started a thread some time ago explaining how these immensely significant and illustrious group of people greatly helped reinforce the belief that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is indeed the true Messenger of God.

How do you know these “saints” prophesied are Muslims and not Christians or Hindus or Jews?

 

[hamba2han]

How do you know these “saints” prophesied are Muslims and not Christians or Hindus or Jews?

Since they are prophesied in the New Testament, that would surely rule out them being Hindus or Jews.

As for them being Christians, let us examine the prophecy in the Old Testament:

"And this [is] the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death. And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand [went] a fiery law for them." … Deuteronomy 33:1-2

What “fiery law” did Jesus (pbuh) bring to his followers?.. and did Jesus (pbuh) have “ten thousands” of followers to begin with??

Muslims have a pretty good idea who these “ten thousands of saints/holy ones” were because they came “from mount Paran” which is in modern day Arabia.

 

[hamba2han]

From the physical evidence (or absence of) that they have uncovered, many researchers have grave doubts that the real Biblical Mount Sinai is in Egypt and they have indeed postulated that it lies somewhere in Arabia… but this is an entirely different chapter altogether which we should not go into in this thread.

 

[kingal86]

I guess it might be a little bit like Christians looking for evidence of Jesus in the Tanakh/Old Testament might be perceived by some Jews, except with the important difference that Christianity doesn’t consider the previous revelation of the Jewish Scriptures to be corrupted, so they have more logic to be looking for evidence of Jesus in them.

 

[hamba2han]

If you wish to explore the subject, then I would suggest that you visit this webpage… and in particular, read lectures # 38, 39, 40 and also 47.

 

[sedonaman]

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What word or name was it that Jesus (pbuh) used in his native tongue to express that which the Fourth Gospel has translated as “the Paraclete” and which has been converted into “comforter” in all the versions of that Gospel?

The “Paraclete” does not signify either “consoler” or “advocate” or "comforter’; in truth, it is not a classical word at all. The Greek orthography of the word is Paraklytos which in ecclesiastical literature is made to mean “one called to aid, advocate, intercessor”. One need not profess to be a Greek scholar to know that the Greek word for “comforter or consoler” is not “Paraclytos” but “Paracalon”.
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One day, an evangelist came to my door and said, “Did you know that Christ was not crucified on a cross but a tree instead?” Then there are the Snake Handlers who use Mark 16:17-18 to justify their beliefs. My reaction to these people is that they are taking one sentence out of the Bible and building a whole religion around it. But Islam goes them one better: it does the same thing by taking only one word, paraclete, out of the Bible and corrupting it.

 

[noobio]

Well, if it was indeed talking about Muhammad, I think Genesis 3:1 is the answer.

-MontChevalier

How does Gen 3:1 talk about Muhammad or prophecy about him

"Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”

This is the serpent talking to the women in the garden. So, how is this releated to Muhammad?

 

[noobio]

Since they are prophesied in the New Testament, that would surely rule out them being Hindus or Jews…

If it can be muslims why can’t it be jews and hindus?

As for them being Christians, let us examine the prophecy in the Old Testament:

"And this [is] the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death. And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand [went] a fiery law for them." … Deuteronomy 33:1-2
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This passage is written in the past tense so there is no prophecy.

What “fiery law” did Jesus (pbuh) bring to his followers?.. and did Jesus (pbuh) have “ten thousands” of followers to begin with??
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Jesus did not give us a law that Moses gave but he gave the new covenant.

Muslims have a pretty good idea who these “ten thousands of saints/holy ones” were because they came “from mount Paran” which is in modern day Arabia.

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Actaully you don’t. The passage you brought up is in past tense and there was no prophecy about anyone coming in that passage. So, this passage is talking about people who already came and are from mount Paran.

 

[ClamDigger]

Since they are prophesied in the New Testament, that would surely rule out them being Hindus or Jews.

As for them being Christians, let us examine the prophecy in the Old Testament:

"And this [is] the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death. And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand [went] a fiery law for them." … Deuteronomy 33:1-2

What “fiery law” did Jesus (pbuh) bring to his followers?.. and did Jesus (pbuh) have “ten thousands” of followers to begin with??

Muslims have a pretty good idea who these “ten thousands of saints/holy ones” were because they came “from mount Paran” which is in modern day Arabia.

Yes. Jesus had many thousands of followers. Have you ever heard of the feeding of the five-thousand?

 

[arabic_catholic]

here you go

11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.

 

[sedonaman]

It is imperative for Mohammed to be in the Bible because he uses it to validate his self-proclaimed prophethood [think about that one]. See biblestudying.net/islam1.html

As I have said before, his thinking goes something like, “The prophets of the OT and NT were rejected by the Jews; anyone rejected by the Jews must therefore be a prophet. The Jews are rejecting me. Ergo, I must be a prophet too.” It’s not too difficult to see the logical fallacy in that thinking.

 

[meltzerboy]

It is not just in the Bible that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned.

He is prophesied in other scriptures as well as can be read in this thread.

Finally, I meet someone of the Muslim faith on CAF! I have so many questions about Islam, but I don’t wish to divert the topic of this thread, so I’ll either PM you or start a new thread.

 

[noobio]

It is imperative for Mohammed to be in the Bible because he uses it to validate his self-proclaimed prophethood [think about that one]. See biblestudying.net/islam1.html

As I have said before, his thinking goes something like, “The prophets of the OT and NT were rejected by the Jews; anyone rejected by the Jews must therefore be a prophet. The Jews are rejecting me. Ergo, I must be a prophet too.” It’s not too difficult to see the logical fallacy in that thinking.

In Islam there is this requirment of finding the prophet in the bible because the Quran says so. What is bad about that it is that it proves that there is an error in the Quran because the bible has no mention of Muhammed while the Quran says that there is.

 

[MontChevalier]

How does Gen 3:1 talk about Muhammad or prophecy about him

"Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”

This is the serpent talking to the women in the garden. So, how is this releated to Muhammad?

LOL No, dude, it’s a joke. Muhammad is the serpent. Get it? And cause of the way he treats women? Ah, forget it. Don’t look too much into it. It’s not true.

meltzerboy:

Finally, I meet someone of the Muslim faith on CAF! I have so many questions about Islam, but I don’t wish to divert the topic of this thread, so I’ll either PM you or start a new thread.

I wouldn’t recommend that. He loves to avoid questions.

-MontChevalier

 

[sedonaman]

Finally, I meet someone of the Muslim faith on CAF! I have so many questions about Islam, but I don’t wish to divert the topic of this thread, so I’ll either PM you or start a new thread.

Why does it have to be CAF? Why don’t you visit a Muslim website? Just asking.

 

[SnakeMauler]

I have watch videos of Muslim trying to show that there prophet is in the Bible ( they usaully use John 14: 15-17). My question to the muslims is why does Muhammad have to in the bible?

The ones that are doing that are the ones who live in developed countries and aren’t being oppressed and can do that.

 

[SempirVeritas]

why do muslims try to find mohammed? for the same reasons Christians try to find Jesus in the Old testament.,… its just human nature i suppse