Why do Non Arab Muslims also Hate the Jews?

[CHESTERTONRULES]

I could almost understand that the territorial dispute in Israel has led some Arabs to racism, but what about the non Arab Muslims? What is their excuse?

 

[Sister_Amy]

A Muslim who hates Jews might be, as you describe, racist, or in some other way unfairly discriminatory.

But it isn’t Jews, actually, against whom you find the ire of Muslims worldwide directed. Rather, it is at a specific group of people who might not be Jewish at all, who are held to be primarily responsible for the suffering of the Palestinian people. Some of those people are Jewish, because it’s not because they are Jewish that they are hated. Some are Christian, and some are non-religious.

For a Muslim who considers a Palestinian to be his brother, or sister, to see that Palestinian suffer under an illegal occupation, denied many basic human rights, how do you expect that Muslim to feel?

I mean, imagine how you might have felt after the 9/11, or 7/7 attacks. Imagine that those were consistent attacks on your family–how would that make you feel? That everyday your family was forced to suffer…?

I don’t think that Jews (in general) are responsible for the atrocities in the West Bank and Gaza. Or better put, that a person, by being Jewish, is not at all responsible for that. But some of the people who are responsible claim to be Jewish.

Food for thought.

 

[paarsurrey]

Hi

Well truly speaking a Muslim cannot be racial or after land grabbing mania. We all human beings have been created by God Allah Parmesher YHWH, we cannot be against anybody as far as his person is concerned and we have to co-exist with others with love and peace; that enhances the faculties of a man.

They say to err is human; so we need divine guidance that we can all enhance the inherent qualities in us to the full without encroachment upon others faculties. For this God Allah Parmesher YHWH sends his Messengers Prophets always with the same message “‘Truly, I am a plain Warner to you, ‘That you worship none but Allah.”

Without this message the human being cannot co-exist peacefully and with love. The Messengers don’t harm anybody; they have never done this in their whole life, and in fact this is one of the reasons they have been Chosen as Messengers. They demand no money, no land, and no estate to rule. Their goal is to spread the peaceful teachings to the people they have been sent to. This happened in Judea; this happened in India, this happened in Persia and elsewhere in the world.

The message is peaceful and has to be spread peacefully. Alas, the corrupted clergy and powers that be don’t let them rest peacefully. They try to annihilate the Messengers and their followers and snatched from them the right to co-exist. So Krishna, Moses and Jesus had to suffer at hands of these false powers.

Quran mentions the good faculties of the Jews but when they were lead astray they started persecuting and were always after killing the Messengers. This is mentioned in Bible and also in Quran. They put Jesus on Cross to kill him; they did not succeed and God saved Jesus from the cursed death on Cross. Jesus had to migrate from Judea to India; very nice of him.

We Muslims have nothing against the Jews, if they accept Jesus and Muhammad as true Messengers Prophets and don’t deny their followers the right to co-exist, we don’t have to hate them, they are our brothers in humanity.

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna

Thanks

 

[Reuben_J]

I could almost understand that the territorial dispute in Israel has led some Arabs to racism, but what about the non Arab Muslims? What is their excuse?

It got to do with the history of Islam and how it started. Despite Muslims’ denial, the only reason for Islam to exist is by standing on the platform that Judeo-Christianity is wrong.

Mohammad was opposed and betrayed by the Jews and he had long memories which naturally being passed to his successors.

The Quran is full of verses despising the Jews and Christians.

So why should the OP a surprise?

 

[paarsurrey]

The Quran is full of verses despising the Jews and Christians.

Hi

Kindly quote just one verse from Quran to support your perception; together with the context which is normally narrated in the five preceding and five following verses.

Your perception is totally wrong.

I love Jesus and Mary

Thanks

 

[cathopologist]

For this God Allah Parmesher YHWH sends his Messengers Prophets always with the same message “‘Truly, I am a plain Warner to you, ‘That you worship none but Allah.”

Without this message** the human being cannot co-exist peacefully and with love.**

*From a Muslim’s perspective, to be able to co-exist peacefully with the kufr means to embrace Islam or live as a Dhimmi.

The Messengers don’t harm anybody; they have never done this in their whole life, and in fact this is one of the reasons they have been Chosen as Messengers.

Please explain how Mohammad fits this description as even secular historical facts describes Mohammad as a warlord, general and statesman. You do realize warlords enter battles, and kill, don’t you?

They demand no money, no land, and no estate to rule. Their goal is to spread the peaceful teachings to the people they have been sent to. This happened in Judea; this happened in India, this happened in Persia and elsewhere in the world.

The history of the Caliphate proves otherwise and its dishonest to say that such a thing never happened in Judea, India or Persia or anywhere else in the world.

The message is peaceful and has to be spread peacefully. Alas, the corrupted clergy and powers that be don’t let them rest peacefully. They try to annihilate the Messengers and their followers and snatched from them the right to co-exist.

Exactly. Go tell that to your Grand Mufti’s.

Quran mentions the good faculties of the Jews but when they were lead astray they started persecuting and were always after killing the Messengers. This is mentioned in Bible and also in Quran. They put Jesus on Cross to kill him; they did not succeed and God saved Jesus from the cursed death on Cross.

The Qu’ran or rather, you are obssessed with the idea Jews are murderers as if Muslims are free from guilt.

We Muslims have nothing against the Jews,** if they accept **Jesus and Muhammad as true Messengers Prophets and don’t deny their followers the right to co-exist, we don’t have to hate them, they are our brothers in humanity.

Thank you for confirming my sentiments above.
(*From a Muslim’s perspective, to be able to co-exist peacefully with the kufr means to embrace Islam or live as a Dhimmi.)

 

[inJESUS]

For a Muslim who considers a Palestinian to be his brother, or sister, to see that Palestinian suffer under an illegal occupation, denied many basic human rights, how do you expect that Muslim to feel?

 

[Auriel]

Muslims, Jews, And Christians lived together peacefully between the 8th and 15th century in Islamic Spain. Though for a short time in the 8th century there was violence. Around 11 hundred only Grenada remained under total Islamic rule. But until the 15th century they found a way to live together in peace. Taxes for the Jews and Christians were a bit higher but they were not segregated. And they were not forced to do military service as Muslims were. Muslims still had to pay their customary tax as well.

Cordova (Cordoba) was a Cultural center, nothing else in Europe compared to it. While other places in Europe still threw their raw sewage out in the street, Spain had plumbing and irrigation systems. They also imported many different types of trees and plants.

Muslim, Christian and Jewish Students excelled in art, philosophy, science, religion, math, physics, and medicine. Students from all over Europe traveled there to listen and learn. It was a wealthy city, and they were more tolerant. I may be mistaken but I believe just in that city alone at one time there were dozens of libraries.

The architecture was gorgeous. Especially the Alhambra palace.

Under Queen Isabel and Ferdinand it all changed. Books were burned. Thousands of Jews were either forced out, jailed, tortured, executed, even some who converted were killed. There were Jews who hid their identity. Ladino is till spoken there today, Google Sephardim. The lucky ones escaped to Turkey who accepted them gladly. Later the same thing happened in Portugal. And by 1502 Muslims received the same treatment after making a deal with them, they either had to either convert, leave, or die.

I always saw the Basque people as the ones who really got a raw deal over there and some still are today, What Franco let the German Nazis do to Guernica was atrocious.

But anyway, my point was, there was a time in history between Jews and Muslims that no one had to accept the others belief for their own to get along. And they co-existed.

Furthermore I do not know of any one group or country throughout history that had predecessors that did not engage in criminal acts. If we are all to pay for sins of our fathers it would include Americans.

Was going to mention more about non Arab Muslims and their feelings towards Jews that I have seen for myself but…going back to bed now, woke up too early. LOL

 

[inJESUS]

Yes Auriel and the fact that a positive thing happened does not mean that negative ones did not happen, all in the name of Islamic sharia, mind you, the negative ones of conquering , torturing and massacring people to spread Islam did not happen against the sharia, at least as understood by Muhammad’s caliphs so if there was peace, it was by Islamic standards, including humiliation…not everyone is willing to be conquered, killed or humiliated in the name of Muhammad.

 

[ferdie]

And what have we learned from the past? All these talk of the negatives and postives done by each religion is only good if we are going to apply the lesson learned. What is important is how we are going to coexist without violence because of religion.

 

[Eucharisted]

I could almost understand that the territorial dispute in Israel has led some Arabs to racism, but what about the non Arab Muslims? What is their excuse?

First off, your comment is racist. You assume a Muslim must be Arab, or rather, that Muslims from other countries or nations are not “truly” Muslim. And you assume that all Arab Muslims are anti-semetic. Judge not, lest ye be judged, for the measure with which you measure shall be measured out to you.

The reason some Middle Eastern people - especially some Palestinians - hate Israel (not necessarily just Jews) is because of the history of Israel. First, Jews asked for their own land. The Arabs gave it them, giving them the most undesirable land in the Middle East. Than God blessed Israel, making it fertile. That’s when the Arabs said, “Wait, we want the land back!” But Israel said No. And than Israel began a series of anti-Palestinian attacks, and Palenstinans returned the attacks. Than some Israelis began to disobey their government, living in Palestian turfs. The Palestinians saw this as a threat. Than some Palestians began to live in Israeli turf. And the back and forth tension, anger, and attacks have been going on for a long time…even though most Israelis and Palestinians just want peace.

 

[CHESTERTONRULES]

First off, your comment is racist. You assume a Muslim must be Arab, or rather, that Muslims from other countries or nations are not “truly” Muslim. And you assume that all Arab Muslims are anti-semetic. Judge not, lest ye be judged, for the measure with which you measure shall be measured out to you.
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Please reread my comment.

You obviously didn’t get it!

 

[ferdie]

First off, your comment is racist. You assume a Muslim must be Arab, or rather, that Muslims from other countries or nations are not “truly” Muslim. And you assume that all Arab Muslims are anti-semetic. Judge not, lest ye be judged, for the measure with which you measure shall be measured out to you.

I don’t think that is what he meant.

 

[TurkiyeFan]

During the Middle Ages Jews found refuge from the Spanish Inquesition in Muslim Turkey. During WWII Jews came to Turkey seeking refuge and were well received with that famous Turkish hospitality.

The Turks are not Arabs, they are of central Asian origin. They do not hate Jews and indeed, the secular nations of modern Turkey and Israel get along quite well.

Read: allaboutturkey.com/jews.htm

 

[Reuben_J]

It got to do with the history of Islam and how it started. Despite Muslims’ denial, the only reason for Islam to exist is by standing on the platform that Judeo-Christianity is wrong.

Mohammad was opposed and betrayed by the Jews and he had long memories which naturally being passed to his successors.

The Quran is full of verses despising the Jews and Christians.

So why should the OP a surprise?

That was my answer to the OP. I still think that hatred of the Jews in Islam is inherited and they are not confined to the Arabs but generally - Muslims.

Muslims look to Mohammad as the ultimate example. What he did and thought have great bearing on the mentality of Muslims today.

 

[R_not]

Hi

Kindly quote just one verse from Quran to support your perception; together with the context which is normally narrated in the five preceding and five following verses.

Your perception is totally wrong.

I love Jesus and Mary

Thanks

• Only Islam Acceptable-> 3:85
• No friends from outsiders-> 3:118
• No friends with Jews, Christians-> 5:51
• No friends with non believers->4:114 3:28
• No friends with parents/siblings if not believers-> 9:23
• Fight non-believers-> 9:123
• Kill non-believers-> 4:89
• Anti Jew verses-> 5:82
• Forcing Christians and Jews to pay tax if they don’t accept islam but accept subjugation-> 9:29
• The Torment of Hell-> 44:43-58
• Cast terror in the hearts, smite the neck and cut fingertips of unbelievers-> 8:12
• smite the neck of unbelievers->47:4
• Severe Punishment for atheists-> 10:4 5:10 5:86
• Severe Punishment for non-believers-> 22:19-22 72:23 98:6
• Punishing for rejecting faith-> 3:91
• Non believers go to hell-> 4:140 7:36
• Partial Believers go to hell too-> 4:150-1
  *** Threat of punishment for not going to war-> 9:38-39 48:16**
• Intentionally preventing unbelievers from knowing the truth-> 6:25 6:110
• Intentionally preventing unbelievers from Understanding Qur’an-> 17:45-76
• killing Christians: 2:190-193, 2:216-217, 2:244-245, 4:74-77, 4:95-96, 5:51, 5:72-73, 8:12-15, 8:37-39, 9:5,
  9:41, 9:73, 9:123, 22:38-39, 25:52, 47:4, 48:29, 60:4, 61:9-11, 66:9
• Its Bukhari b9, v86, n101 mohammad: “Silence is consent.”

 

[Reuben_J]

• Only Islam Acceptable-> 3:85
• No friends from outsiders-> 3:118
• No friends with Jews, Christians-> 5:51
• No friends with non believers->4:114 3:28
• No friends with parents/siblings if not believers-> 9:23
• Fight non-believers-> 9:123
• Kill non-believers-> 4:89
• Anti Jew verses-> 5:82
• Forcing Christians and Jews to pay tax if they don’t accept islam but accept subjugation-> 9:29
• The Torment of Hell-> 44:43-58
• Cast terror in the hearts, smite the neck and cut fingertips of unbelievers-> 8:12
• smite the neck of unbelievers->47:4
• Severe Punishment for atheists-> 10:4 5:10 5:86
• Severe Punishment for non-believers-> 22:19-22 72:23 98:6
• Punishing for rejecting faith-> 3:91
• Non believers go to hell-> 4:140 7:36
• Partial Believers go to hell too-> 4:150-1
  *** Threat of punishment for not going to war-> 9:38-39 48:16**
• Intentionally preventing unbelievers from knowing the truth-> 6:25 6:110
• Intentionally preventing unbelievers from Understanding Qur’an-> 17:45-76
• killing Christians: 2:190-193, 2:216-217, 2:244-245, 4:74-77, 4:95-96, 5:51, 5:72-73, 8:12-15, 8:37-39, 9:5,
  9:41, 9:73, 9:123, 22:38-39, 25:52, 47:4, 48:29, 60:4, 61:9-11, 66:9
• Its Bukhari b9, v86, n101 mohammad: “Silence is consent.”

Thanks R_not. This more than a mouthful.

Paarsurrey, I hope this helps.

 

[R_not]

Thanks R_not. This more than a mouthful.

Paarsurrey, I hope this helps.

I keep this sort of stuff at ‘beck and call’ for reference.

I wonder if the jihadists read the previous and next surahs before beheading a person, or before subjugating people? Or if the ‘peaceful’ ones do the same when they deceive us about islam?

I mean the questions just keep on coming!

 

[CHESTERTONRULES]

During the Middle Ages Jews found refuge from the Spanish Inquesition in Muslim Turkey. During WWII Jews came to Turkey seeking refuge and were well received with that famous Turkish hospitality.

The Turks are not Arabs, they are of central Asian origin. They do not hate Jews and indeed, the secular nations of modern Turkey and Israel get along quite well.

Read: allaboutturkey.com/jews.htm

I agree. I didn’t mean to insinuate that all Arab muslims or all non Arab muslims hate the jews.

My question was regarding those non Arab muslims, like Persians and Pakistanis, who have very strong anti semetic views.

I don’t get it.

 

[Reuben_J]

I agree. I didn’t mean to insinuate that all Arab muslims or all non Arab muslims hate the jews.

My question was regarding those non Arab muslims, like Persians and Pakistanis, who have very strong anti semetic views.

I don’t get it.

Mohammad, my friend, Mohammad.